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Hrolf The Ganger 17 Jun 24 1.22pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Predictably. But where are your genetics from? Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 1.18pm) An interesting 'British' flag too.

Hrolf The Ganger

17 Jun 24 1.22pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Predictably.

But where are your genetics from?

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 1.18pm)

An interesting 'British' flag too.

Ouzo Dan Behind you 17 Jun 24 1.50pm
Originally posted by Eagle Black. Not me gov, i'm british. Do you fly the Jamaican flag because of a feeling or is that where your family is from? The mountains are calling & I must go.

Ouzo Dan

Behind you 17 Jun 24 1.50pm

Originally posted by Eagle Black.

Not me gov, i'm british.

Do you fly the Jamaican flag because of a feeling or is that where your family is from?

The mountains are calling & I must go.

Stirlingsays 17 Jun 24 2.14pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger An interesting 'British' flag too. Quite common amongst minority communities. They are born here but identify with their genetic heritage. I don't blame them, that's their genetic ethnicity and thus right. However, from the native English perspective they are visitors or some might see invaders. Second hand loyalties aren't equal or worthy....They would view the same in their own lands. There are a percent who I'd exempt from this, say Badger's mate perhaps and David Kurten types, Braverman for example....properly integrated who don't fly foreign flags because they actually identify with here. However, despite liberal claims down the ages they are very much minorities within their own demographic....atypical. Tebbit's 'West Indies' cricket test is still as true as the day he said it. However I don't blame them, your identify is normally imprinted by your parents and even more strongly if those parents have moved aboard. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 6.17pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

17 Jun 24 2.14pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

An interesting 'British' flag too.

Quite common amongst minority communities.

They are born here but identify with their genetic heritage.

I don't blame them, that's their genetic ethnicity and thus right.

However, from the native English perspective they are visitors or some might see invaders. Second hand loyalties aren't equal or worthy....They would view the same in their own lands.

There are a percent who I'd exempt from this, say Badger's mate perhaps and David Kurten types, Braverman for example....properly integrated who don't fly foreign flags because they actually identify with here. However, despite liberal claims down the ages they are very much minorities within their own demographic....atypical.

Tebbit's 'West Indies' cricket test is still as true as the day he said it.

However I don't blame them, your identify is normally imprinted by your parents and even more strongly if those parents have moved aboard.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 6.17pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf The Ganger 17 Jun 24 3.13pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Quite common amongst minority communities. They are born here but identify with their genetic heritage. I don't blame them, that's their genetic ethnicity and thus right. However, from the native English perspective they are visitors or some might see invaders. Second hand loyalties aren't equal or worthy....They would view the same in their own lands. There are a percent who I'd exempt from this, say Badger's mate perhaps and David Kurten types, Braverman for example....properly integrated who don't fly foreign flags because they actually identify with here. However, despite liberal claims down the ages they have very much minorities within their own demographic....atypical. Tebbit's 'West Indies' cricket test is still as true as the day he said it. However I don't blame them, your identify is normally imprinted by your parents and even more strongly if those parents have moved aboard. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 2.20pm) My attitude is simply that you can identify as who you like, but if you fly a Jamaican, or any other flag, instead of the Union Flag or the St George, you can't expect the majority to see you as British or English. Flying two flags would be acceptable. There is no expectation that people should ever forget their heritage, but if you are third generation, you should probably align with where you were born in my humble opinion.

Hrolf The Ganger

17 Jun 24 3.13pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Quite common amongst minority communities.

They are born here but identify with their genetic heritage.

I don't blame them, that's their genetic ethnicity and thus right.

However, from the native English perspective they are visitors or some might see invaders. Second hand loyalties aren't equal or worthy....They would view the same in their own lands.

There are a percent who I'd exempt from this, say Badger's mate perhaps and David Kurten types, Braverman for example....properly integrated who don't fly foreign flags because they actually identify with here. However, despite liberal claims down the ages they have very much minorities within their own demographic....atypical.

Tebbit's 'West Indies' cricket test is still as true as the day he said it.

However I don't blame them, your identify is normally imprinted by your parents and even more strongly if those parents have moved aboard.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 2.20pm)

My attitude is simply that you can identify as who you like, but if you fly a Jamaican, or any other flag, instead of the Union Flag or the St George, you can't expect the majority to see you as British or English. Flying two flags would be acceptable.
There is no expectation that people should ever forget their heritage, but if you are third generation, you should probably align with where you were born in my humble opinion.

Stirlingsays 17 Jun 24 6.27pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger My attitude is simply that you can identify as who you like, but if you fly a Jamaican, or any other flag, instead of the Union Flag or the St George, you can't expect the majority to see you as British or English. Flying two flags would be acceptable. There is no expectation that people should ever forget their heritage, but if you are third generation, you should probably align with where you were born in my humble opinion. Yep, I'd ban official dual nationalities myself but people can identify how they like, just as people can identify them how they like. Once the numbers within a minority demographic reach a critical mass within a localised area the need to identify with the host nation is far lower.....You see this happen in large Islamic communities for example and even in inner city London. The progressive left politically and from academia...especially in the US feeding and encouraging resentment narratives to minorities against white people also hampers the size of possible integration.....which never moved beyond 1 in 3 for significantly different ethnicities in the first place. It's the blueprint for lower trust societies which thus leads to higher crime and hence poorer societies. Areas become increasingly balkanized over time. It isn't rocket science and this was known generations ago.....Still, the story of how we got here won't be told in the mainstream because certain truths aren't fashionable. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 6.30pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

17 Jun 24 6.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yep, I'd ban official dual nationalities myself but people can identify how they like, just as people can identify them how they like.

Once the numbers within a minority demographic reach a critical mass within a localised area the need to identify with the host nation is far lower.....You see this happen in large Islamic communities for example and even in inner city London.

The progressive left politically and from academia...especially in the US feeding and encouraging resentment narratives to minorities against white people also hampers the size of possible integration.....which never moved beyond 1 in 3 for significantly different ethnicities in the first place.

It's the blueprint for lower trust societies which thus leads to higher crime and hence poorer societies. Areas become increasingly balkanized over time.

It isn't rocket science and this was known generations ago.....Still, the story of how we got here won't be told in the mainstream because certain truths aren't fashionable.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 6.30pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.23pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio sorry to disagree Wisbech. DNA does matter. reference my opinion above. The locals must accept you as one of their own. Therefore a blonde kid, of European DNA, can be born and bred in Japan. The Japanese will never regard them the same as all the other kids in the class. Even if said kid can sound perfectly Japanese on the Phone. Wisbech, you probably blame the Japanese. The rest of us respect the wishes of 150 million people. In some societies, which are almost completely closed to others, genetics can be a marker used by that society. In those circumstances it seems unlikely that your kid would regard himself as Japanese, never mind how others regard him. It is though how you feel that matters. There are legal hurdles to establish your nationality but it’s the individual who determines their ethnicity. How could it be otherwise? We aren’t though considering the Japanese. We are considering who is English. The English people are an ethnic group. [Link] Ethnicity is defined by culture. Not by genes. Which have, in our case, been regularly subject to other influences anyway. [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.23pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

sorry to disagree Wisbech. DNA does matter.

reference my opinion above. The locals must accept you as one of their own.

Therefore a blonde kid, of European DNA, can be born and bred in Japan. The Japanese will never regard them the same as all the other kids in the class. Even if said kid can sound perfectly Japanese on the Phone.

Wisbech, you probably blame the Japanese. The rest of us respect the wishes of 150 million people.

In some societies, which are almost completely closed to others, genetics can be a marker used by that society. In those circumstances it seems unlikely that your kid would regard himself as Japanese, never mind how others regard him. It is though how you feel that matters. There are legal hurdles to establish your nationality but it’s the individual who determines their ethnicity. How could it be otherwise?

We aren’t though considering the Japanese. We are considering who is English.

The English people are an ethnic group.

[Link]

Ethnicity is defined by culture. Not by genes. Which have, in our case, been regularly subject to other influences anyway.

[Link]

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.28pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Don't be ridiculous. Ethnicity is a broad term that can mean just about anything, including genetic make up. If you think genes have nothing to do with defining certain groups, then you need to go back to school. You are simply wrong. Ethnicity is solely defined by individuals themselves and determined by the culture they accept as the one they belong to. [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.28pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Don't be ridiculous.

Ethnicity is a broad term that can mean just about anything, including genetic make up.
If you think genes have nothing to do with defining certain groups, then you need to go back to school.

You are simply wrong. Ethnicity is solely defined by individuals themselves and determined by the culture they accept as the one they belong to.

[Link]

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.36pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio the same Nazi's that worshipped the English ? Hitler loved watching videos of a handful of Englishmen kicking ass in India. You did see the footage of Nazi's visiting England to go Foxhunting ? Their virulent Antisemitism was only counterpointed by their admiration for John Bull. Certainly in the early 1930s it seemed to be a bit of a Bromance from one bloody Empire to another. Hitler regarded the maps of the British Empire as evidence for much of his racial ideology. Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Jun 2024 10.53pm) That bromance has continued. There has always been an element of British society who would get irate if you suggested their views mirrored some of those held by the Third Reich, but look behind the veil and they were there. I encountered such an individual years ago who claimed he hated the Nazis and was simply an admirer of Powell, but that fell apart when we discovered he had a shrine to Hitler in his house. It continue today. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.36pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

the same Nazi's that worshipped the English ? Hitler loved watching videos of a handful of Englishmen kicking ass in India.

You did see the footage of Nazi's visiting England to go Foxhunting ? Their virulent Antisemitism was only counterpointed by their admiration for John Bull. Certainly in the early 1930s

it seemed to be a bit of a Bromance from one bloody Empire to another. Hitler regarded the maps of the British Empire as evidence for much of his racial ideology.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (16 Jun 2024 10.53pm)

That bromance has continued. There has always been an element of British society who would get irate if you suggested their views mirrored some of those held by the Third Reich, but look behind the veil and they were there. I encountered such an individual years ago who claimed he hated the Nazis and was simply an admirer of Powell, but that fell apart when we discovered he had a shrine to Hitler in his house.

It continue today.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 17 Jun 24 9.39pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You are simply wrong. Ethnicity is solely defined by individuals themselves and determined by the culture they accept as the one they belong to. [Link] According to the census there are 287 ethnic groups and nationalities in London many of whom are quite happy with the culture they already have.

Teddy Eagle

17 Jun 24 9.39pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are simply wrong. Ethnicity is solely defined by individuals themselves and determined by the culture they accept as the one they belong to.

[Link]

According to the census there are 287 ethnic groups and nationalities in London many of whom are quite happy with the culture they already have.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.40pm
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan Being quarter french, quarter English & half nonsense you should know this, come back to me when you've finished studying it I am 100% English. Legally British. Ethnically English. DNA having no bearing on it at all. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.40pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Being quarter french, quarter English & half nonsense you should know this, come back to me when you've finished studying it

I am 100% English. Legally British. Ethnically English. DNA having no bearing on it at all.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.50pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger My attitude is simply that you can identify as who you like, but if you fly a Jamaican, or any other flag, instead of the Union Flag or the St George, you can't expect the majority to see you as British or English. Flying two flags would be acceptable. There is no expectation that people should ever forget their heritage, but if you are third generation, you should probably align with where you were born in my humble opinion. What others see you as is an irrelevance! They can think whatever they like, that’s up to them. We all define our ethnicity for ourselves, depending on what group we believe we fit and that depends on culture. It’s not imposed on us by others. We don’t sit exams or be interviewed. Or take DNA tests. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.50pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What others see you as is an irrelevance! They can think whatever they like, that’s up to them. We all define our ethnicity for ourselves, depending on what group we believe we fit and that depends on culture. It’s not imposed on us by others. We don’t sit exams or be interviewed. Or take DNA tests.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.52pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle According to the census there are 287 ethnic groups and nationalities in London many of whom are quite happy with the culture they already have. Undoubtedly true. Your point being? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 9.52pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

According to the census there are 287 ethnic groups and nationalities in London many of whom are quite happy with the culture they already have.

Undoubtedly true. Your point being?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 17 Jun 24 10.05pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You are simply wrong. Ethnicity is solely defined by individuals themselves and determined by the culture they accept as the one they belong to. [Link] Are you totally stupid? I already said that'ethnicity' was a broad, almost meaningless term. Even your link includes genetic heritage as one definition.

Hrolf The Ganger

17 Jun 24 10.05pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are simply wrong. Ethnicity is solely defined by individuals themselves and determined by the culture they accept as the one they belong to.

[Link]

Are you totally stupid?

I already said that'ethnicity' was a broad, almost meaningless term.

Even your link includes genetic heritage as one definition.

Hrolf The Ganger 17 Jun 24 10.06pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What others see you as is an irrelevance! They can think whatever they like, that’s up to them. We all define our ethnicity for ourselves, depending on what group we believe we fit and that depends on culture. It’s not imposed on us by others. We don’t sit exams or be interviewed. Or take DNA tests. I already said that people can identify as whatever they like. Try reading the posts. What you think is irrelevant. Consider that if you can. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Jun 2024 10.08pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

17 Jun 24 10.06pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What others see you as is an irrelevance! They can think whatever they like, that’s up to them. We all define our ethnicity for ourselves, depending on what group we believe we fit and that depends on culture. It’s not imposed on us by others. We don’t sit exams or be interviewed. Or take DNA tests.

I already said that people can identify as whatever they like.

Try reading the posts.

What you think is irrelevant. Consider that if you can.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Jun 2024 10.08pm)

Stirlingsays 17 Jun 24 10.12pm
Personally I think we all know his ethnic group is Troll. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

17 Jun 24 10.12pm

Personally I think we all know his ethnic group is Troll.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 17 Jun 24 10.21pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yawn. No said that everyone ‘English’ has 100% English genes. Actually, they did. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 17 Jun 24 10.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yawn.

No said that everyone ‘English’ has 100% English genes.

Actually, they did.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Teddy Eagle 17 Jun 24 10.27pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Undoubtedly true. Your point being? That the probability of those already happy with their own culture considering themselves English or British is slight.

Teddy Eagle

17 Jun 24 10.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Undoubtedly true. Your point being?

That the probability of those already happy with their own culture considering themselves English or British is slight.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 10.30pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Are you totally stupid? I already said that'ethnicity' was a broad, almost meaningless term. Even your link includes genetic heritage as one definition. I’ll ignore the rudeness. What you said was wrong. It isn’t a broad, meaningless term! You just want it to be! The first lines in the link say it very well:- “An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a common nation of origin, or common sets of ancestry, traditions, language, history, society, religion, or social treatment.” Later it says:- “Ethnicity may be construed as an inherited or societally imposed construct. Ethnic membership tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language, dialect, religion, mythology, folklore, ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art, or physical appearance. Ethnic groups may share a narrow or broad spectrum of genetic ancestry, depending on group identification, with some groups having mixed genetic ancestry.” The only reference to genetics being that ethic groups may share either broad or narrow genetic ancestry. Which is precisely what I have been saying. Genetics are no guide to ethnicity. They may share some genetics, either broad or narrow. But may not as some have a mixed genetic ancestry. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 10.30pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Are you totally stupid?

I already said that'ethnicity' was a broad, almost meaningless term.

Even your link includes genetic heritage as one definition.

I’ll ignore the rudeness.

What you said was wrong. It isn’t a broad, meaningless term! You just want it to be!

The first lines in the link say it very well:-

“An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a common nation of origin, or common sets of ancestry, traditions, language, history, society, religion, or social treatment.”

Later it says:-

“Ethnicity may be construed as an inherited or societally imposed construct. Ethnic membership tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language, dialect, religion, mythology, folklore, ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art, or physical appearance. Ethnic groups may share a narrow or broad spectrum of genetic ancestry, depending on group identification, with some groups having mixed genetic ancestry.”

The only reference to genetics being that ethic groups may share either broad or narrow genetic ancestry. Which is precisely what I have been saying. Genetics are no guide to ethnicity. They may share some genetics, either broad or narrow. But may not as some have a mixed genetic ancestry.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 10.31pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle That the probability of those already happy with their own culture considering themselves English or British is slight. Have I suggested otherwise? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 10.31pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

That the probability of those already happy with their own culture considering themselves English or British is slight.

Have I suggested otherwise?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 17 Jun 24 10.35pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Have I suggested otherwise? It was in answer to "Are they English? If not, what do you think they are?”

Teddy Eagle

17 Jun 24 10.35pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Have I suggested otherwise?

It was in answer to "Are they English? If not, what do you think they are?”

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