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 Stirlingsays  29 Oct 18 10.54am |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
The BBC's North America editor Jon Sopel is quite openly anti-Trump on Twitter, which is always a good place to go to check a journalist's bias. In his latest anti-Trump piece on the BBC, he tells us – because he is the neutral observer on the ground – that Trump's rhetoric is to blame for the recent mass shootings. That really is outrageous. Like this never happened under previous administrations. One of the biggest problems is actually the US media in whipping up the population and there are countless examples of lies and hatred from CNN and MSNBC alone each week. Yet in his piece, Sopel fails to admit this at all. Sopel also defends the actions of George Soros, which if there was any doubt, shows which side of the fence he is on. He also fails to mention Democrat leaders openly telling its supporters to go out and abuse Republicans in restaurants and gas stations as part of "the 'resistance". Yet it's Trump's fault for America apparently being more divided than ever. Edited by Penge Eagle (29 Oct 2018 10.53am) Seconded and thirded. The hypocrisy, omission and myopic nature of the reporting is tantamount to lying.
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| DanH SW2 29 Oct 18 11.11am |
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This whole narrative of the press being 'the enemy of the people' which is being pushed, and is working, both sides of the pond is really quite scary.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 29 Oct 18 11.32am |
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Originally posted by DanH
This whole narrative of the press being 'the enemy of the people' which is being pushed, and is working, both sides of the pond is really quite scary. Who is saying this here and why is it scary?
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 29 Oct 18 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
The fact that people are more outraged by some reporting and 'lying' rather than the barefaced bullsh*t that comes out his actual mouth on a daily basis is pretty nuts to me. The whole 'fake news' line that he's continually spun is genius in that it automatically discredits a lot of what your supporters hear and see your critics saying. You honestly don't think Trump's words had any effect in the bombs in the post and the anti-semitic shooting in the last week? It's disingenuous to say it's completely because of it, but it is certainly a factor in what drives people to do these things. Well I have given evidence of numerous fake news on this thread and he is right to push back on the media that make up stories about him. We all know that Trump is not impartial but the media is supposed to be. That's the big difference. I've lived in the US and watched the irresponsible rhetoric from the cable news channels which does not compare to anything said by Trump. CNN anchor Don Lemon recently describing Kanye West's visit to the White House as a "minstrel show" and CNN commentator Bakari Sellers saying: "Kanye West is what happens when Negroes don’t read" then Tara Setmayer adding "He’s the token Negro of the Trump administration". Do you think helps bridge the racial divide? Trump is pro Israel and his daughter Ivanka is a converted Orthadox Jew. So what rhetoric by Trump would the guy who shot up a synagogue be following? When a Bernie Sanders supporter shot Republican Congressman Steve Scalise last year – was that because of rhetoric from either of those parties? I'm not a Bernie fan at all but to blame him for this nutter would be ridiculous. Edited by Penge Eagle (29 Oct 2018 12.36pm)
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| Stirlingsays 29 Oct 18 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
The fact that people are more outraged by some reporting and 'lying' rather than the barefaced bullsh*t that comes out his actual mouth on a daily basis is pretty nuts to me. The whole 'fake news' line that he's continually spun is genius in that it automatically discredits a lot of what your supporters hear and see your critics saying. You honestly don't think Trump's words had any effect in the bombs in the post and the anti-semitic shooting in the last week? It's disingenuous to say it's completely because of it, but it is certainly a factor in what drives people to do these things.
The Democrats have proven themselves as actually worse in opposition than the republican tea party were during Obama and you have the bare faced cheek to write this?.....They actually advocate harassment and unrest. Their supporters make uncountable death threats online...which the lefty silicon valley don't ban ..(not that I generally support banning but I wish to highlight the hypocrisy)...these threats are made both at Trump and republicans generally. Hell, the left make numerous so called 'hate' speech comments against whites...all language that has been encouraged by the 'oppresser' narrative that the democrats constantly push. As for your linking Trump's words to nutter violence.....??? Seriously....We had a 'Bernie Bro' actually shoot a Republican politician last year....Where are your comments criticizing all the Democrats with their aggressive anti republican language? We have antifa regularly and illegally attacking people in the street over political views....regularly even getting that wrong....Where are your comments criticizing all the Democrats for their silence on this....Hell, even CNN make excuses for it. As for blaming Trump for an anti semite murdering people??? Are you smoking weed or something? How more pro Israel can Trump be for crying out loud....this murderer called Trump a 'globalist' and was no fan and you blame Trump. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Oct 2018 7.05pm)
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| dannyboy1978 29 Oct 18 7.47pm |
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Very refreshing, if you haven't the time just listen to the end.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Oct 18 8.23pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Very refreshing, if you haven't the time just listen to the end.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 29 Oct 18 8.49pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
The fact that people are more outraged by some reporting and 'lying' rather than the barefaced bullsh*t that comes out his actual mouth on a daily basis is pretty nuts to me. The whole 'fake news' line that he's continually spun is genius in that it automatically discredits a lot of what your supporters hear and see your critics saying. You honestly don't think Trump's words had any effect in the bombs in the post and the anti-semitic shooting in the last week? It's disingenuous to say it's completely because of it, but it is certainly a factor in what drives people to do these things. And if Obama had been in power you would have said that a Black man in the White House was the cause. Wake up man. The US is divided by all kinds of tribalism. It never ends.
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| .TUX. 30 Oct 18 7.21am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think it's possible that the US could be heading for a split based upon racial lines.....at some point within a generation. You'll have black, white and mixed states. The unifying figures in public life don't really exist now and the fault lines are probably too deep to rectify. The identity politics game from post modernism was a disaster to start but now it's out of the bottle...
Very possibly judging by this interview from the w'end. I don't know how this hasn't been splashed all over the front-pages tbh. Trump's got to go!
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 30 Oct 18 10.03am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think it's possible that the US could be heading for a split based upon racial lines.....at some point within a generation. You'll have black, white and mixed states. The unifying figures in public life don't really exist now and the fault lines are probably too deep to rectify. The identity politics game from post modernism was a disaster to start but now it's out of the bottle...
America is already split along racial lines though. Geographically, that is a situation produced in the segregation era, and one which, if you go to many big cities, has remained fairly unchanged. I was just in NY and stayed on the outskirts of Brooklyn, and was pretty much the only white person in the neighbourhood. You jump on a train half an hour and are in Manhatten, and the only black faces you see are working. It is from that perspective that we, in Britain, a county with problems but not on that scale, have to appreciate. Why are groups of people seeking identities which empower them in a way that the dominant identity - nationalism - does not?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 30 Oct 18 10.53am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
America is already split along racial lines though. Geographically, that is a situation produced in the segregation era, and one which, if you go to many big cities, has remained fairly unchanged. I was just in NY and stayed on the outskirts of Brooklyn, and was pretty much the only white person in the neighbourhood. You jump on a train half an hour and are in Manhatten, and the only black faces you see are working. It is from that perspective that we, in Britain, a county with problems but not on that scale, have to appreciate. Why are groups of people seeking identities which empower them in a way that the dominant identity - nationalism - does not? Self interest as always. Black people have not done well in the game of empires. In the modern world, they have been the losers. It is hardly surprising then that as a minority in any country, they group together to fight their corner and press for a better existence. Anyone who thinks they are hard done by at the hands of the ruling class does the same. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Oct 2018 11.06am)
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 30 Oct 18 11.49am |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Very possibly judging by this interview from the w'end. I don't know how this hasn't been splashed all over the front-pages tbh. Trump's got to go! Yeah I saw that too. Forget Trump, can you imagine if any Republican had said that? I couldn't see the story on the BBC... Hillary Clinton also called African-American youth "superpredators" in a 1996 speech. The response is deafening... Edited by Penge Eagle (30 Oct 2018 11.50am)
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| Stirlingsays 30 Oct 18 1.37pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Self interest as always. Black people have not done well in the game of empires. In the modern world, they have been the losers. It is hardly surprising then that as a minority in any country, they group together to fight their corner and press for a better existence. Anyone who thinks they are hard done by at the hands of the ruling class does the same. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Oct 2018 11.06am) Yep....it's the left....and those on the right who care more about the short term than the future of their country. If Europeans went to pakistan and took over their towns it would be called colonialism. When it happens in reverse it's called diversity. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2018 1.38pm)
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| Stirlingsays 30 Oct 18 1.49pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
America is already split along racial lines though. Geographically, that is a situation produced in the segregation era, and one which, if you go to many big cities, has remained fairly unchanged. I was just in NY and stayed on the outskirts of Brooklyn, and was pretty much the only white person in the neighbourhood. You jump on a train half an hour and are in Manhatten, and the only black faces you see are working. It is from that perspective that we, in Britain, a county with problems but not on that scale, have to appreciate. Why are groups of people seeking identities which empower them in a way that the dominant identity - nationalism - does not? The split in the US will probably happen far quicker than elsewhere.....Yes I agree, in some areas the split will require less chaos than in others. I can see this happening though. The reason that these problems aren't on the same scale in Britain is purely down to numbers....in the US only 63 percent are of European heritage....here it's about 85 percent.....as that number goes down in the UK we will, on average, become more and more divided....of course we will still have liars claiming otherwise out of ideology. Also, to answer your question why people insist upon equating their race to identity.....well, firstly that's the majority...not all....a minority don't..and an even larger number lie about it...or refuse to think about it....and that minority will probably be those who exist in the probable mixed states of the future. The reason is human nature.....to reduce it to its essence essentially the majority of humans are tribal in nature and stick to those they identify most with. What you would call racism. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2018 2.00pm)
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 30 Oct 18 6.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The split in the US will probably happen far quicker than elsewhere.....Yes I agree, in some areas the split will require less chaos than in others. I can see this happening though. The reason that these problems aren't on the same scale in Britain is purely down to numbers....in the US only 63 percent are of European heritage....here it's about 85 percent.....as that number goes down in the UK we will, on average, become more and more divided....of course we will still have liars claiming otherwise out of ideology. Also, to answer your question why people insist upon equating their race to identity.....well, firstly that's the majority...not all....a minority don't..and an even larger number lie about it...or refuse to think about it....and that minority will probably be those who exist in the probable mixed states of the future. The reason is human nature.....to reduce it to its essence essentially the majority of humans are tribal in nature and stick to those they identify most with. What you would call racism. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Oct 2018 2.00pm) Why do people identify with their race? Well, it isn't based on genetics - you and I are more genetically different than you are to many blacks or Arabs. We have to accept the fact that - whether or not tribalism is a part of human nature - the tribes we imagine are arbitrary. We're we in ancient rome, the idea of division based on skin colour would be unthinkable. Race only emerges as a classifier on the back of European colonialism, and the subsequent oppression, enslavement and segregation gave fuel to those who wanted to reclaim an identity which had been thrust upon their forefathers. Divisions can be healed. I'm Irish, so I'm bloody thankful they can be! Crime comes from desperation and poverty, so I would argue that if you take away the fuel, the fires won't burn...
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| Stirlingsays 30 Oct 18 7.15pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Why do people identify with their race? Well, it isn't based on genetics - you and I are more genetically different than you are to many blacks or Arabs. We have to accept the fact that - whether or not tribalism is a part of human nature - the tribes we imagine are arbitrary. We're we in ancient rome, the idea of division based on skin colour would be unthinkable. Race only emerges as a classifier on the back of European colonialism, and the subsequent oppression, enslavement and segregation gave fuel to those who wanted to reclaim an identity which had been thrust upon their forefathers. Divisions can be healed. I'm Irish, so I'm bloody thankful they can be! Crime comes from desperation and poverty, so I would argue that if you take away the fuel, the fires won't burn... What utter rubbish. Race is a massive divider between people and your illusions towards it are risible. Of course most people define by race. As for science...Race can be assigned by just looking at DNA so this nonsensical downplaying of it is unscientific. The left filter those scientists who they will listen to on these matters and they provide only them with the megaphone. Biological scientists won't willingly speak out on it as they are hounded and often sacked for expressing realities on race or indeed gender. That is the environment the left and cucked conservatives have created. However, you will find few, if any, Chinese or south Asians scientists working outside of Europe or the US denying race....No eastern European scientists denying race.....they have no fear of losing their jobs. It doesn't matter what you or indeed I think. People vote with their feet and while I have no issues with multiculturalists like yourself living in multicultural areas (though it angers me that most multiculturalists don't seem to).....what really grinds my gears is listening to the utter rubbish spoken by social constructionists. Social constructionism has caused much harm in the world....and because fools believe the world should fit with their feelings about it....rather than how human nature works....this ideology will continue to make the powerless suffer. As for your comments on Europeans.....well, they are anti white and while I have no real issues with you taking that position conceptionally I've already answered those points and rejected them.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 02 Nov 18 12.48pm |
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A new poll has revealed that more American voters blame the mainstream media for creating division in the US than President Donald Trump. [Link] Even the other day, CNN's anchor Don Lemon said 'the biggest threat in this country is white men'. Do you think that divides or brings people together? In the Guardian: 'Trump is a cheeky sod': Essex villagers react to US campaign ad. [Link] This had NOTHING to do with Trump. Edited by Penge Eagle (02 Nov 2018 12.55pm)
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