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DanH SW2 12 Dec 19 9.26am
Originally posted by Willo The Conservative policies have been well documented for all to see and I really don't have to repeat the manifesto on HOL. My comments were made to illustrate my disdain for Corbyn and the Labour party.We really cannot sleepwalk into a catastrophe and plunge our great nation into the greatest crisis since the war. On that note I have to depart as I have a long and busy day ahead of me so no time to engage in any debate on HOL. The Tory 'campaign' has been woeful. Dodging and ducking scrutiny, manipulating figures, and just spouting that you'll get Brexit 'done' when it'll be anything but. Your post slagging off Corbyn sums it up. Nothing to offer.

DanH

SW2 12 Dec 19 9.26am

Originally posted by Willo

The Conservative policies have been well documented for all to see and I really don't have to repeat the manifesto on HOL.

My comments were made to illustrate my disdain for Corbyn and the Labour party.We really cannot sleepwalk into a catastrophe and plunge our great nation into the greatest crisis since the war.

On that note I have to depart as I have a long and busy day ahead of me so no time to engage in any debate on HOL.

The Tory 'campaign' has been woeful. Dodging and ducking scrutiny, manipulating figures, and just spouting that you'll get Brexit 'done' when it'll be anything but.

Your post slagging off Corbyn sums it up. Nothing to offer.

Midlands Eagle 12 Dec 19 9.40am
Originally posted by DanH The Tory 'campaign' has been woeful. Dodging and ducking scrutiny, manipulating figures, and just spouting that you'll get Brexit 'done' when it'll be anything but. This time tomorrow we'll all know just how successful the Tories woeful campaign has been

Midlands Eagle

12 Dec 19 9.40am

Originally posted by DanH

The Tory 'campaign' has been woeful. Dodging and ducking scrutiny, manipulating figures, and just spouting that you'll get Brexit 'done' when it'll be anything but.

This time tomorrow we'll all know just how successful the Tories woeful campaign has been

Midlands Eagle 12 Dec 19 9.43am
Originally posted by Mapletree Why did a conservative lady ask for my polling card number outside the voting station? What data are they collecting and for what purpose? Do all the parties do this? Do they divide the task up between them? The only data that they can possibly glean is that you have actually voted. I understand that if by this evening their records show that people that they know normally vote Conservative haven't voted they could offer to give you a lift to and from the polling station

Midlands Eagle

12 Dec 19 9.43am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Why did a conservative lady ask for my polling card number outside the voting station? What data are they collecting and for what purpose? Do all the parties do this? Do they divide the task up between them?

The only data that they can possibly glean is that you have actually voted.

I understand that if by this evening their records show that people that they know normally vote Conservative haven't voted they could offer to give you a lift to and from the polling station

Matov 12 Dec 19 10.56am
Voted Conservative but did so with a heavy, heavy heart. Purely on the basis that I want Brexit done but with no real faith in Johnson to do anything else other than what is good for Johnson. Ignoring all the usual tribal shenanigans how did we ever get to this? A choice between a rabid Marxist scumbag who happily shares platforms with, and expresses admiration for, terrorists from a variety of groups who wish nothing but harm on this country and Boris Johnson. A venal buffoon who is perhaps the worst example of what our modern political class can throw up? (and pun very much intended). I suspect that whatever the outcome we all need to take a step back tomorrow and take a long hard look at ourselves. Where do we go as a country from this? I am truly sickened by anybody who expresses a desire for my vote on June 23rd to be rendered null and void, and then no doubt take great pleasure in rubbing my face in it, and yet on the other hand, we are willing to vote for a piece of s*** like Johnson just to get our way? Never felt so downcast about the state of our collective political psyche. We should not be in the EU as of this date. We voted to leave it and the failure to implement that is toxifying this country in so many ways. I genuinely fear for our future because if Brexit is not decisively resolved soon then what is to prevent even more fracturing of the UK? It truly saddens me to say that I hope Johnson wins with a working majority. But I see no other way out of this quagmire. A second referendum, on Labours terms and with their proposed rigging of not only the question but also the franchise achieves nothing other than making the divisions worse than ever. To the point of catastrophe. A horrible day with no truly good outcome. Only shades of bad because if I get my wishes we are stuck with that moron in number 10 for 5 years. Edited by Matov (12 Dec 2019 10.58am) Edited by Matov (12 Dec 2019 11.00am) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Dec 19 10.56am

Voted Conservative but did so with a heavy, heavy heart. Purely on the basis that I want Brexit done but with no real faith in Johnson to do anything else other than what is good for Johnson.

Ignoring all the usual tribal shenanigans how did we ever get to this? A choice between a rabid Marxist scumbag who happily shares platforms with, and expresses admiration for, terrorists from a variety of groups who wish nothing but harm on this country and Boris Johnson. A venal buffoon who is perhaps the worst example of what our modern political class can throw up? (and pun very much intended).

I suspect that whatever the outcome we all need to take a step back tomorrow and take a long hard look at ourselves.

Where do we go as a country from this? I am truly sickened by anybody who expresses a desire for my vote on June 23rd to be rendered null and void, and then no doubt take great pleasure in rubbing my face in it, and yet on the other hand, we are willing to vote for a piece of s*** like Johnson just to get our way?

Never felt so downcast about the state of our collective political psyche.

We should not be in the EU as of this date. We voted to leave it and the failure to implement that is toxifying this country in so many ways.

I genuinely fear for our future because if Brexit is not decisively resolved soon then what is to prevent even more fracturing of the UK?

It truly saddens me to say that I hope Johnson wins with a working majority. But I see no other way out of this quagmire. A second referendum, on Labours terms and with their proposed rigging of not only the question but also the franchise achieves nothing other than making the divisions worse than ever. To the point of catastrophe.

A horrible day with no truly good outcome. Only shades of bad because if I get my wishes we are stuck with that moron in number 10 for 5 years.

Edited by Matov (12 Dec 2019 10.58am)

Edited by Matov (12 Dec 2019 11.00am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 19 11.05am
Originally posted by Mapletree Why did a conservative lady ask for my polling card number outside the voting station? What data are they collecting and for what purpose? Do all the parties do this? Do they divide the task up between them? All parties have these agents I guess they decide where to send them, not much point if your candidate is never going to win. They are election agents and as another poster suggested they are trying to gauge turn out mainly for their supporters if you haven't voted and it is close they may come knocking on your door to remind you. And yes the sensible ones help each other I have seen Labour and Tory election agents happily help each other "one for you etc." It depends on the individuals and if there has been bad blood locally. They have no official position within the electoral process and they are not allowed into the Polling station or to hamper you in anyway, they are a bit of a grey area. You are entitled to ignore them or report them to the Polling station staff if you are being harassed. At the 2017 GE this actually happened a voter returned to the polling station to complain quite correctly that the Tory man outside was being aggressive in demanding his polling card. One of the staff kept an eye on him and after a second complaint was satisfied there was a problem. He phoned the council election office who contacted the local Tories and 10 minutes later the guy was gone. That was the first time in 20 years I had every seen anything like that the guy was just an idiot. So please report anything like this to the staff inside but use your common sense they are entitled to politely ask you for your polling card and you are entitled to ignore them or tell them where to go (I do). One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Dec 19 11.05am

Originally posted by Mapletree

All parties have these agents I guess they decide where to send them, not much point if your candidate is never going to win.

They are election agents and as another poster suggested they are trying to gauge turn out mainly for their supporters if you haven't voted and it is close they may come knocking on your door to remind you.

And yes the sensible ones help each other I have seen Labour and Tory election agents happily help each other "one for you etc." It depends on the individuals and if there has been bad blood locally.

They have no official position within the electoral process and they are not allowed into the Polling station or to hamper you in anyway, they are a bit of a grey area. You are entitled to ignore them or report them to the Polling station staff if you are being harassed.

At the 2017 GE this actually happened a voter returned
to the polling station to complain quite correctly that the Tory man outside was being aggressive in demanding his polling card. One of the staff kept an eye on him and after a second complaint was satisfied there was a problem. He phoned the council election office who contacted the local Tories and 10 minutes later the guy was gone.

That was the first time in 20 years I had every seen anything like that the guy was just an idiot. So please report anything like this to the staff inside but use your common sense they are entitled to politely ask you for your polling card and you are entitled to ignore them or tell them where to go (I do).

One more point

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 12 Dec 19 11.08am
Originally posted by DanH The Tory 'campaign' has been woeful. Dodging and ducking scrutiny, manipulating figures, and just spouting that you'll get Brexit 'done' when it'll be anything but. Your post slagging off Corbyn sums it up. Nothing to offer. Blimey. I agree with you. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 12 Dec 19 11.08am

Originally posted by DanH

The Tory 'campaign' has been woeful. Dodging and ducking scrutiny, manipulating figures, and just spouting that you'll get Brexit 'done' when it'll be anything but.

Your post slagging off Corbyn sums it up. Nothing to offer.

Blimey. I agree with you.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 19 11.09am
Originally posted by Mapletree Wanting a majority government implies you trust the leadership of your chosen party, given they will be unfettered I want a government with a mandate from the people and if that is Corbyn I will have to suffer it, that's democracy. As I have said previously if we have a hung parliament it will be a disaster with parties doing backroom deals and the electorate not getting what they voted for. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Dec 19 11.09am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Wanting a majority government implies you trust the leadership of your chosen party, given they will be unfettered

I want a government with a mandate from the people and if that is Corbyn I will have to suffer it, that's democracy.

As I have said previously if we have a hung parliament it will be a disaster with parties doing backroom deals and the electorate not getting what they voted for.

One more point

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 12 Dec 19 11.10am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle This time tomorrow we'll all know just how successful the Tories woeful campaign has been Fingers firmly crossed for a hung Parliament. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 12 Dec 19 11.10am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

This time tomorrow we'll all know just how successful the Tories woeful campaign has been

Fingers firmly crossed for a hung Parliament.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

johnno42000 12 Dec 19 11.16am
Vote The Errol Flynn party for a well hung Parliament Edited by johnno42000 (12 Dec 2019 11.17am) 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

johnno42000

12 Dec 19 11.16am

Vote The Errol Flynn party for a well hung Parliament

Edited by johnno42000 (12 Dec 2019 11.17am)

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 12 Dec 19 11.36am
Magnificent effort from Cassetteboy [Link] Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 12 Dec 19 11.36am

Magnificent effort from Cassetteboy

[Link]

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

johnno42000 12 Dec 19 12.01pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Magnificent effort from Cassetteboy [Link] 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

johnno42000

12 Dec 19 12.01pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Magnificent effort from Cassetteboy

[Link]

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

Bexley Eagle Bexley Kent 12 Dec 19 12.12pm
Originally posted by Matov Voted Conservative but did so with a heavy, heavy heart. Purely on the basis that I want Brexit done but with no real faith in Johnson to do anything else other than what is good for Johnson. Ignoring all the usual tribal shenanigans how did we ever get to this? A choice between a rabid Marxist scumbag who happily shares platforms with, and expresses admiration for, terrorists from a variety of groups who wish nothing but harm on this country and Boris Johnson. A venal buffoon who is perhaps the worst example of what our modern political class can throw up? (and pun very much intended). I suspect that whatever the outcome we all need to take a step back tomorrow and take a long hard look at ourselves. Where do we go as a country from this? I am truly sickened by anybody who expresses a desire for my vote on June 23rd to be rendered null and void, and then no doubt take great pleasure in rubbing my face in it, and yet on the other hand, we are willing to vote for a piece of s*** like Johnson just to get our way? Never felt so downcast about the state of our collective political psyche. We should not be in the EU as of this date. We voted to leave it and the failure to implement that is toxifying this country in so many ways. I genuinely fear for our future because if Brexit is not decisively resolved soon then what is to prevent even more fracturing of the UK? It truly saddens me to say that I hope Johnson wins with a working majority. But I see no other way out of this quagmire. A second referendum, on Labours terms and with their proposed rigging of not only the question but also the franchise achieves nothing other than making the divisions worse than ever. To the point of catastrophe. A horrible day with no truly good outcome. Only shades of bad because if I get my wishes we are stuck with that moron in number 10 for 5 years. Edited by Matov (12 Dec 2019 10.58am) Edited by Matov (12 Dec 2019 11.00am) You are not alone. I think many people share your sentiments

Bexley Eagle

Bexley Kent 12 Dec 19 12.12pm

Originally posted by Matov

Voted Conservative but did so with a heavy, heavy heart. Purely on the basis that I want Brexit done but with no real faith in Johnson to do anything else other than what is good for Johnson.

I suspect that whatever the outcome we all need to take a step back tomorrow and take a long hard look at ourselves.

Never felt so downcast about the state of our collective political psyche.

We should not be in the EU as of this date. We voted to leave it and the failure to implement that is toxifying this country in so many ways.

I genuinely fear for our future because if Brexit is not decisively resolved soon then what is to prevent even more fracturing of the UK?

A horrible day with no truly good outcome. Only shades of bad because if I get my wishes we are stuck with that moron in number 10 for 5 years.

Edited by Matov (12 Dec 2019 10.58am)

Edited by Matov (12 Dec 2019 11.00am)

You are not alone. I think many people share your sentiments

Stirlingsays 12 Dec 19 12.31pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Blimey. I agree with you. Careful, you'll be opening the borders next and waving 'welcome' signs at airports. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Dec 19 12.31pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Blimey. I agree with you.

Careful, you'll be opening the borders next and waving 'welcome' signs at airports.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 12 Dec 19 12.39pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Fingers firmly crossed for a hung Parliament. This election, more so than any I remember, I genuinely don't want any of them to win. They said on the news that in India they have a none of the above box you can put your mark next to. I wish we had that here. Today I shall be voting for the least worst option which is pretty appalling. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

topcat

Holmesdale / Surbiton 12 Dec 19 12.39pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Fingers firmly crossed for a hung Parliament.

This election, more so than any I remember, I genuinely don't want any of them to win. They said on the news that in India they have a none of the above box you can put your mark next to. I wish we had that here.

Today I shall be voting for the least worst option which is pretty appalling.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

Stirlingsays 12 Dec 19 12.39pm
A working Tory majority is essential. Otherwise the parliament will kick Brexit into the long grass and it'll never happen. If I'm being mischievous, it's that second referendum he was asking for. As for Johnson the politician the main likeable thing about him is that he's an election winner. At the moment the demographics still favour a figure like him. I stated it long ago. Once he became leader the election was decided. But I'm lukewarm towards his actual policies.....If he gets a big enough majority he might do something on free speech....which is badly needed but in general he's not going to solve any of the major problems. The main attraction of Boris is that he avoids the country being run by Marxists and the economy seriously crashing. That and the jokes. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2019 12.47pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Dec 19 12.39pm

A working Tory majority is essential. Otherwise the parliament will kick Brexit into the long grass and it'll never happen. If I'm being mischievous, it's that second referendum he was asking for.

As for Johnson the politician the main likeable thing about him is that he's an election winner. At the moment the demographics still favour a figure like him. I stated it long ago. Once he became leader the election was decided.

But I'm lukewarm towards his actual policies.....If he gets a big enough majority he might do something on free speech....which is badly needed but in general he's not going to solve any of the major problems.

The main attraction of Boris is that he avoids the country being run by Marxists and the economy seriously crashing.

That and the jokes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2019 12.47pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Dec 19 12.42pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Careful, you'll be opening the borders next and waving 'welcome' signs at airports. I don't think it is any secret that most are voting for the least worst option. Cucking will probably be drawing a dick on his ballot paper. I can't imagine a much worse option than Corbyn. I'm just disappointed that the Tories have managed to avoid the chance of some anti immigration MPs in the house. Surely sooner or later that has to come.

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Dec 19 12.42pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Careful, you'll be opening the borders next and waving 'welcome' signs at airports.

I don't think it is any secret that most are voting for the least worst option.
Cucking will probably be drawing a dick on his ballot paper.

I can't imagine a much worse option than Corbyn.
I'm just disappointed that the Tories have managed to avoid the chance of some anti immigration MPs in the house. Surely sooner or later that has to come.

Stirlingsays 12 Dec 19 12.45pm
Originally posted by DanH Haha, this explains a lot. What he says isn't far off the mark actually. If you think you have loads of close friends, you're going to be disappointed at some point. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Dec 19 12.45pm

Originally posted by DanH

Haha, this explains a lot.

What he says isn't far off the mark actually. If you think you have loads of close friends, you're going to be disappointed at some point.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 19 12.45pm
BBC seems keen on dog lovers voting today. The official guidance is that dogs are not allowed in the Polling station however in Bromley we don't have a problem as long as the dog behaves itself. Just remember if it's a school hall with a polished floor your pooch might be skating around causing chaos. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Dec 19 12.45pm

BBC seems keen on dog lovers voting today.

The official guidance is that dogs are not allowed in the Polling station however in Bromley we don't have a problem as long as the dog behaves itself. Just remember if it's a school hall with a polished floor your pooch might be skating around causing chaos.

One more point

Stirlingsays 12 Dec 19 12.49pm
Originally posted by Badger11 BBC seems keen on dog lovers voting today. The official guidance is that dogs are not allowed in the Polling station however in Bromley we don't have a problem as long as the dog behaves itself. Just remember if it's a school hall with a polished floor your pooch might be skating around causing chaos. Personally, I agree with the banning idea: Keep ugly women out! 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Dec 19 12.49pm

Originally posted by Badger11

BBC seems keen on dog lovers voting today.

Personally, I agree with the banning idea: Keep ugly women out!

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

DanH SW2 12 Dec 19 12.50pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays What he says isn't far off the mark actually. If you think you have loads of close friends, you're going to be disappointed at some point. Haha, this explains a lot too.

DanH

SW2 12 Dec 19 12.50pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What he says isn't far off the mark actually. If you think you have loads of close friends, you're going to be disappointed at some point.

Haha, this explains a lot too.

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