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Originally posted by Mapletree
As I have just said it isn't Brexit that is the problem but the inadequate preparations. We should all know what the score is by now and that includes farmers, car makers, fishermen et al. Mrs May should be strung up for the appalling mess she has made of handling Brexit
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
The economy has suffered. 66bn lost growth and the article was posted here Nothing to do with the global slowdown? Edited by .TUX. (17 Apr 2019 9.22am)
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
As I have just said it isn't Brexit that is the problem but the inadequate preparations. We should all know what the score is by now and that includes farmers, car makers, fishermen et al. Mrs May should be strung up for the appalling mess she has made of handling Brexit Not so A pup has been sold As far as I can see this was purposeful misinformation so that the Treasury could take the gain. The seat in question swung from UKIP to Lib Dem, which shows the strength of feeling
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
EFA
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Nothing to do with the global slowdown? Edited by .TUX. (17 Apr 2019 9.22am) Nope Purely Brexit
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Nothing to do with the global slowdown? Edited by .TUX. (17 Apr 2019 9.22am) Give it a rest, bud. Of course It is but there are obviously other more localised contributing factors. As for the weighting? Who knows. You’d have to consult someone with an intelligent and unbiased mind.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
As I have just said it isn't Brexit that is the problem but the inadequate preparations. We should all know what the score is by now and that includes farmers, car makers, fishermen et al. Mrs May should be strung up for the appalling mess she has made of handling Brexit Surely then the point is you should only vote out if you knew all that instead of voting for something unknown? Hence why there should be a 2nd vote If you ask me, farming is an industry that the Tories will run into the ground Edited by Pussay Patrol (17 Apr 2019 9.32am)
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Give it a rest, bud. Of course It is but there are obviously other more localised contributing factors. As for the weighting? Who knows. You’d have to consult someone with an intelligent and unbiased mind. I do, and guess what.
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Originally posted by .TUX.
I do, and guess what. You don’t. You have a full on Orwellian complex. I’m yet to see one post where you don’t in some way crowbar in your fully observable facts and dress them up as sagely tellings that no one else has seen. Mix in a bit of chicken little, a tin hat, sandwich board and some bud, and we’re there. Again. For the 456 millionth time. I’m waiting for the post that attempts to link a palace result to the global financial crisis.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Where's your link? Wouldn't it be nice to go a day with no links, just our own articulted, reasoned opinions.
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Originally posted by chris123
Wouldn't it be nice to go a day with no links, just our own articulted, reasoned opinions. I agree but you must separate opinion and fact. You cannot make off the cuff remarks and claim them as fact, they must be substantiated and referenced
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I spoke to a Councillor from Somerset this week, she is door knocking due to upcoming elections She said the farmers who voted leave have changed their minds. For all it’s inadequacies the CAP is now viewed as the better option than relying on UK politicians-especially Tories- to put in place suitable supports. They do indeed feel duped, realising this was a way simply to take back monies currently spent on support to agriculture. So the strategy of Remain is to delay Brexit long enough so that people become disillusioned and change their minds? Thanks for the confirmation.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I agree but you must separate opinion and fact. You cannot make off the cuff remarks and claim them as fact, they must be substantiated and referenced But that’s not your purpose. What you are saying is “I don’t agree with that. Prove it”. If you want evidence find it yourself. How many links do you provide? Or do you hold your own truths to be self evident?
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So the strategy of Remain is to delay Brexit long enough so that people become disillusioned and change their minds? Thanks for the confirmation. Who knows. What I do know is that 'Remain' and 'Leave' are not one giant hive mind that all think the same, therefore insinuating that delaying in order to change peoples minds is some kind of organised, coherent strategy is reaching a little. Also re. farmers, you can hardly blame them. I doubt they are as ideologically driven as you to continue to back something that will in fact ruin them, just out of principle. See most people. Just like the ERG, there is a dwindling hardcore of people who still give a s*** about this process. Everyone else is moving on. Or at least attempting to. Time to find the next thing to be bitter and resentful about...
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But that’s not your purpose. What you are saying is “I don’t agree with that. Prove it”. If you want evidence find it yourself. How many links do you provide? Or do you hold your own truths to be self evident? I'm not saying that, I just dislike lazy retorts and throw away remarks to discredit a good debate where one has presented a credible article to support their argument Just accept its a goal for our side and try and find an equaliser Edited by Pussay Patrol (17 Apr 2019 10.34am)
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I'm not saying that, I just dislike lazy retorts and throw away remarks to discredit a good debate where one has presented a credible article to support their argument Just accept its a goal for our side and try and find an equaliser Edited by Pussay Patrol (17 Apr 2019 10.34am) To repeat. I previously provided a link, which by the way wasn’t from one of your proscribed sources, and you dismissed it.
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Who knows. What I do know is that 'Remain' and 'Leave' are not one giant hive mind that all think the same, therefore insinuating that delaying in order to change peoples minds is some kind of organised, coherent strategy is reaching a little. Also re. farmers, you can hardly blame them. I doubt they are as ideologically driven as you to continue to back something that will in fact ruin them, just out of principle. See most people. Just like the ERG, there is a dwindling hardcore of people who still give a s*** about this process. Everyone else is moving on. Or at least attempting to. Time to find the next thing to be bitter and resentful about... The bottom line is that we have had the referendum already. All of them eventually. It is in the nature of people to become dissatisfied with the existing circumstances. The difference is that we haven't even left the EU yet, so no one is in a position to judge the effects. Of course, some of us didn't just vote to line our own pockets and when have you ever heard a farmer happy about anything? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2019 10.51am)
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The bottom line is that we have had the referendum already. All of them eventually. It is in the nature of people to become dissatisfied with the existing circumstances. The difference is that we haven't even left the EU yet, so no one is in a position to judge the effects. Of course, some of us didn't just vote to line our own pockets and when have you ever heard a farmer happy about anything? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Apr 2019 10.51am) Fair point about farmers, but still, the point around not voting to cut your nose off to spite your own face still stands. The fact that we haven't even left the EU yet and it's this bad already, is exactly the reason why people are changing their minds. Not because of actual tangible effects as a result of leaving, but because of how badly it is being managed. Doesn't exactly instils confidence for the post exit process does it. Everyone is taking one look at this s*** show and coming to the only logical conclusion. This is still why I can't understand people ranging against the establishment one minute, then expecting them to seamlessly deliver for them the next. It boggles the brain. The two are completely incompatible.
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
You don’t. You have a full on Orwellian complex. I’m yet to see one post where you don’t in some way crowbar in your fully observable facts and dress them up as sagely tellings that no one else has seen. Mix in a bit of chicken little, a tin hat, sandwich board and some bud, and we’re there. Again. For the 456 millionth time. I’m waiting for the post that attempts to link a palace result to the global financial crisis. Mr. Hang-up is off again.........
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