I'd imagine the overwhelming majority acknowledge the implications and are will to accept the risks

I actually got to take part in the Chinese version of Question Time tonight discussing Brexit which was really random, yet very interesting.

It featured, an Italian diplomat who used to work in Thailand, a British TV anchor who works for state media in China called 'Big Cow' in Chinese (I kid you not), three Chinese political commentators and the Chinese ambassador to the UK.

All the panel were either neutral or for remain so I knew I had a bit of fight on. Sadly our host only wanted to talk about the economy as a reason for staying / leaving, but he did ask about whether or not other countries might want to leave in the event of a Brexit vote and what it might mean for Anglo-Chinese relations.

To sum up, lots of yelling just like our question time! The 'big cow' accused many in the leave camp of basking in a long gone days empire demanding special treatment. I manage to get my counter in about how Europeans think the world still revolves around them and its this arrogance which is causing the EU to break apart.

The Italian diplomat just kept saying that the EU was good and that non EU countries like Thailand (he kept using Thailand for some reason) had little to no influence.

The three Chinese commentators just stayed neutral on the issue, but interestingly enough the ambassador chipped in saying it didn't really matter if the UK was or wasn't in the EU, we would still do business and invest in one another as long as there was demand. He pointed out that the EU and Europe are not the same thing and that Chinese trade just as much with countries such as Switzerland, Norway and Russia as they do with France, Germany and the UK as much as the market and laws allow them to.

I tried to get the debate switched over to the democratic aspect but the host was having none of it, maybe because the EU and China have remarkably similar systems of government.

Really? I'd imagine plenty of those voting Leave are doing so solely because of immigration, and have little or no understanding of the likely consequences, economic or otherwise. Certainly some I know.

You could get the Queen, the Pope and Bob Geldof to swear that an Out vote would result in England sinking in to the sea, and they'd still just sniff, 'too many johnny foreigners, innit' and vote Out anyway.

Classic error: underestimating the intelligence of those who hold an opposing view.

However, there is a tsunami of scum requiring removal that, sadly, not even Brexit will satisfactorily address.

Miniscule chance. One of 28 has no say. Several more nations ready to join and migrate to Britain.

Cameron and the EU will be even more desperate. British people don't like being told what to do or fee being pressured and definitely not by Europeans, and European politician are even worse.

11/8 and shortening.

COYP

I thought you might say that after the sentence I typed.

'Several more nations ready to join and migrate to Britain.' - The migrate to Britain is a result of the several nations about to join and is what I and many many people are thinking.

Stig Abel on Sky News Press Preview has said exactly what I said in answer to your post about being told and being pressured when the remain camp has valid points about potential shocks to the economy but are making a shambles of their message.

COYP

Gotta chuckle at those Britain first wallies...

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I don't know,but are many of the French immigrants from former French colonies?

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters.

Pro USA & Israel

You forgot...
T shirt and mug printing tycoon takes business to New York

Out of interest, under whose watch did this happen? Could they have done anything to stop this?

When you say us, do you not mean the US I think you've been away long enough to be one of them now, not one of us!

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