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Stirlingsays 08 Jun 21 4.15pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Maybe you do have young, black, working class friends. If so, you really should ask them how they feel. Getting under-estimated, checked on, feeling a lack of trust. It is very real to most minorities but especially to black people. And also, few people can differentiate between a Zambian and a Nigerian, a Jamaican and a Trinidadian. They are such different people but they all get lumped together. 'We are the world We are the children We are the ones who make a brighter day So just start giving' Oh brother, why don't these guys just start their own church and be done with it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Jun 21 4.15pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Maybe you do have young, black, working class friends. If so, you really should ask them how they feel. Getting under-estimated, checked on, feeling a lack of trust. It is very real to most minorities but especially to black people.

And also, few people can differentiate between a Zambian and a Nigerian, a Jamaican and a Trinidadian. They are such different people but they all get lumped together.

'We are the world
We are the children
We are the ones who make a brighter day
So just start giving'

Oh brother, why don't these guys just start their own church and be done with it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Crazy_Eagle South London 08 Jun 21 4.16pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You are just talking in riddles. What matters is the reality of introducing politics into football. You said "It doesn't matter why players are doing it" I've just said that's part of the problem. Where's the riddle? Edited by Crazy_Eagle (08 Jun 2021 4.16pm) R.I.P. DJ Hardline CPFC2010

Crazy_Eagle

South London 08 Jun 21 4.16pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You are just talking in riddles.

What matters is the reality of introducing politics into football.

You said "It doesn't matter why players are doing it"

I've just said that's part of the problem.

Where's the riddle?

Edited by Crazy_Eagle (08 Jun 2021 4.16pm)

R.I.P. DJ Hardline

CPFC2010

Wilesy01 Bristol 08 Jun 21 4.27pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger So taking the knee is now about on line racial abuse? How much abuse did players get online before Sky Sports started their insidious campaign? Does anyone ever remember anyone so much as mentioning online abuse? Sorry. Not buying that one. As far as Marxism is concerned. If people wished to avoid that accusation then they shouldn't have plastered BLM all over football grounds and shown support for BLM, a Marxist organisation. The word own goal has never been so appropriate. This proves my point. The players and manager have been vocal on their decision to protest for racial equality, some of which is the right not to receive dogs abuse online. Yet you interpret this protest entirely differently, in a way to suit your own agenda. Don't bring politics into sport? You seem keen to bring your own into it so please do me a favour.

Wilesy01

Bristol 08 Jun 21 4.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So taking the knee is now about on line racial abuse?
How much abuse did players get online before Sky Sports started their insidious campaign?
Does anyone ever remember anyone so much as mentioning online abuse?

Sorry. Not buying that one.
As far as Marxism is concerned. If people wished to avoid that accusation then they shouldn't have plastered BLM all over football grounds and shown support for BLM, a Marxist organisation.

The word own goal has never been so appropriate.

This proves my point. The players and manager have been vocal on their decision to protest for racial equality, some of which is the right not to receive dogs abuse online.

Yet you interpret this protest entirely differently, in a way to suit your own agenda.

Don't bring politics into sport? You seem keen to bring your own into it so please do me a favour.

Stirlingsays 08 Jun 21 4.29pm
Originally posted by Wilesy01 This proves my point. The players and manager have been vocal on their decision to protest for racial equality, some of which is the right not to receive dogs abuse online. Yet you interpret this protest entirely differently, in a way to suit your own agenda. Don't bring politics into sport? You seem keen to bring your own into it so please do me a favour. Talk about cognitive dissonance. Up is down, left is right....words become meaningless. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Jun 21 4.29pm

Originally posted by Wilesy01

This proves my point. The players and manager have been vocal on their decision to protest for racial equality, some of which is the right not to receive dogs abuse online.

Yet you interpret this protest entirely differently, in a way to suit your own agenda.

Don't bring politics into sport? You seem keen to bring your own into it so please do me a favour.

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

Up is down, left is right....words become meaningless.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

dannyboy1978 08 Jun 21 4.43pm
Has no one thought its odd how large portions of the crowd boo and dislike like knee taking but the same ratio of players arnt against taking the knee. It stinks of peer pressure to me.

dannyboy1978

08 Jun 21 4.43pm

Has no one thought its odd how large portions of the crowd boo and dislike like knee taking but the same ratio of players arnt against taking the knee.
It stinks of peer pressure to me.

Wilesy01 Bristol 08 Jun 21 5.05pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Talk about cognitive dissonance. Up is down, left is right....words become meaningless. After reading some of the stuff you post I can only agree!

Wilesy01

Bristol 08 Jun 21 5.05pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

Up is down, left is right....words become meaningless.

After reading some of the stuff you post I can only agree!

Stirlingsays 08 Jun 21 5.29pm
Originally posted by Wilesy01 After reading some of the stuff you post I can only agree! Dude, if you could live in your world, and not be let out of there and I could live in mine with the same stipulation.....I'd be happy for both of us. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Jun 21 5.29pm

Originally posted by Wilesy01

After reading some of the stuff you post I can only agree!

Dude, if you could live in your world, and not be let out of there and I could live in mine with the same stipulation.....I'd be happy for both of us.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

PalazioVecchio south pole 08 Jun 21 5.44pm
i will renew my subscription to sky after those feckers stop kneeling. and if they keep kneeling , that is fine by me. Edited by PalazioVecchio (08 Jun 2021 5.46pm) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 08 Jun 21 5.44pm

i will renew my subscription to sky after those feckers stop kneeling.

and if they keep kneeling , that is fine by me.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (08 Jun 2021 5.46pm)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Teddy Eagle 08 Jun 21 6.45pm
Originally posted by Wilesy01 This proves my point. The players and manager have been vocal on their decision to protest for racial equality, some of which is the right not to receive dogs abuse online. Yet you interpret this protest entirely differently, in a way to suit your own agenda. Don't bring politics into sport? You seem keen to bring your own into it so please do me a favour. Maybe the ones booing agree with Wilf that it isn’t achieving anything.

Teddy Eagle

08 Jun 21 6.45pm

Originally posted by Wilesy01

This proves my point. The players and manager have been vocal on their decision to protest for racial equality, some of which is the right not to receive dogs abuse online.

Yet you interpret this protest entirely differently, in a way to suit your own agenda.

Don't bring politics into sport? You seem keen to bring your own into it so please do me a favour.

Maybe the ones booing agree with Wilf that it isn’t achieving anything.

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 08 Jun 21 8.19pm
Booing your own country's players, in a major tournament, because they chose to take a stand against racial inequality (the actual reason stated by Southgate and the players themselves) is absolutely dire however you look at it. Edited by madcap_v2 (08 Jun 2021 9.31pm) La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 08 Jun 21 8.19pm

Booing your own country's players, in a major tournament, because they chose to take a stand against racial inequality (the actual reason stated by Southgate and the players themselves) is absolutely dire however you look at it.

Edited by madcap_v2 (08 Jun 2021 9.31pm)

La la la your mum

Stirlingsays 08 Jun 21 8.40pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Booing your own country's players, in a major tournament, because they chose to take a stand against racial equality (the actual reason stated by Southgate and the players themselves) is absolutely dire however you look at it. Let's call that a Freudian slip. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Jun 21 8.40pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Booing your own country's players, in a major tournament, because they chose to take a stand against racial equality (the actual reason stated by Southgate and the players themselves) is absolutely dire however you look at it.

Let's call that a Freudian slip.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 08 Jun 21 8.44pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Booing your own country's players, in a major tournament, because they chose to take a stand against racial equality (the actual reason stated by Southgate and the players themselves) is absolutely dire however you look at it. they're not booing the players, just the politics. its freedom of expression that suits some of the people some of the time. Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents? Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

kingdowieonthewall

Sussex, ex-Cronx. 08 Jun 21 8.44pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Booing your own country's players, in a major tournament, because they chose to take a stand against racial equality (the actual reason stated by Southgate and the players themselves) is absolutely dire however you look at it.

they're not booing the players, just the politics.
its freedom of expression that suits some of the people some of the time.

Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

Eaglecoops CR3 08 Jun 21 8.46pm
I no longer have any inclination to attend a football match. I don’t really give a damn what a footballer thinks, they are there to play sport and we are there to watch. We pay for that privilege and they are fortunate enough to earn small fortunes as a result. We should not have to suffer their political gestures just because they think it is ok to enforce it upon us regardless of the subject matter. This goes for all political gestures in all sports.

Eaglecoops

CR3 08 Jun 21 8.46pm

I no longer have any inclination to attend a football match.

I don’t really give a damn what a footballer thinks, they are there to play sport and we are there to watch. We pay for that privilege and they are fortunate enough to earn small fortunes as a result. We should not have to suffer their political gestures just because they think it is ok to enforce it upon us regardless of the subject matter. This goes for all political gestures in all sports.

cryrst The garden of England 08 Jun 21 8.47pm
Originally posted by Wilesy01 This proves my point. The players and manager have been vocal on their decision to protest for racial equality, some of which is the right not to receive dogs abuse online. Yet you interpret this protest entirely differently, in a way to suit your own agenda. Don't bring politics into sport? You seem keen to bring your own into it so please do me a favour. Purley hypothetical but how can a player refuse to kneel if they don't want to? Whether they don't agree racism is as bad as portrayed in the UK or they don't like politics in sport or even are racist themselves. They can't refuse basically as they will be cancelled, especially if they are white.

cryrst

The garden of England 08 Jun 21 8.47pm

Originally posted by Wilesy01

This proves my point. The players and manager have been vocal on their decision to protest for racial equality, some of which is the right not to receive dogs abuse online.

Yet you interpret this protest entirely differently, in a way to suit your own agenda.

Don't bring politics into sport? You seem keen to bring your own into it so please do me a favour.

Purley hypothetical but how can a player refuse to kneel if they don't want to? Whether they don't agree racism is as bad as portrayed in the UK or they don't like politics in sport or even are racist themselves. They can't refuse basically as they will be cancelled, especially if they are white.

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 08 Jun 21 9.31pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Let's call that a Freudian slip. It's been a long day... La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 08 Jun 21 9.31pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Let's call that a Freudian slip.

It's been a long day...

La la la your mum

Matov 08 Jun 21 9.57pm
The players kneel because the Premier League tell them to do so. And the Premier League do so because they believe their sponsors want them to. That's it. As simple as that. Purely a marketing gesture. And its boring now. People need to start having to face up to painful choices when it comes to this notion of what 'supporting' actually entails. Personally, been falling out of love with International football now for decades and I suspect this coming tournament, along with the utter farce of the next World Cup being held in Qatar will kill it altogether. I genuninly dont care if England win, lose or draw anymore. And that saddens me, it really does. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

08 Jun 21 9.57pm

The players kneel because the Premier League tell them to do so. And the Premier League do so because they believe their sponsors want them to.

That's it. As simple as that. Purely a marketing gesture.

And its boring now. People need to start having to face up to painful choices when it comes to this notion of what 'supporting' actually entails.

Personally, been falling out of love with International football now for decades and I suspect this coming tournament, along with the utter farce of the next World Cup being held in Qatar will kill it altogether.

I genuninly dont care if England win, lose or draw anymore. And that saddens me, it really does.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

DanH SW2 08 Jun 21 10.00pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger All sounds typically simple minded. He is implying that if you disprove of taking the knee or the media obsession with race issues, you somehow don't believe in a fair society for all or that you somehow approve of internet abuse. How ridiculous. I love how it’s supposedly ‘simple minded’ but at the heart of it’s being big enough to be able to recognise and accept that we are all different. We don’t all look the same. We don’t all think the same. We don’t all have the same. But it doesn’t matter. Everyone is a human being that deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. Anyone that can recognise, accept and tolerate this is the opposite of simple minded. Simple minded is fearing difference. Fearing anyone that might not look or think the exact same as you. Simple minded is booing the young men wearing the colours and flag of their country that they have dreamt of doing since they were small boys and because they dare try to use their profile to make a stand for something they believe in. Edited by DanH (08 Jun 2021 10.01pm)

DanH

SW2 08 Jun 21 10.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

All sounds typically simple minded.

He is implying that if you disprove of taking the knee or the media obsession with race issues, you somehow don't believe in a fair society for all or that you somehow approve of internet abuse.

How ridiculous.

I love how it’s supposedly ‘simple minded’ but at the heart of it’s being big enough to be able to recognise and accept that we are all different. We don’t all look the same. We don’t all think the same. We don’t all have the same. But it doesn’t matter. Everyone is a human being that deserves to be treated with dignity and respect.

Anyone that can recognise, accept and tolerate this is the opposite of simple minded. Simple minded is fearing difference. Fearing anyone that might not look or think the exact same as you.

Simple minded is booing the young men wearing the colours and flag of their country that they have dreamt of doing since they were small boys and because they dare try to use their profile to make a stand for something they believe in.

Edited by DanH (08 Jun 2021 10.01pm)

Teddy Eagle 08 Jun 21 10.06pm
How did footballers become inspirational social arbiters? Until recently they were overpaid boneheads whose interests were collecting Bentleys and Cristal bottles and spit roasting each other’s groupies - now they’re the social conscience of the nation.

Teddy Eagle

08 Jun 21 10.06pm

How did footballers become inspirational social arbiters? Until recently they were overpaid boneheads whose interests were collecting Bentleys and Cristal bottles and spit roasting each other’s groupies - now they’re the social conscience of the nation.

Stirlingsays 08 Jun 21 10.08pm
Originally posted by DanH I love how it’s supposedly ‘simple minded’ but at the heart of it’s being big enough to be able to recognise and accept that we are all different. We don’t all look the same. We don’t all think the same. We don’t all have the same. But it doesn’t matter. Everyone is a human being that deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. Anyone that can recognise, accept and tolerate this is the opposite of simple minded. Simple minded is fearing difference. Fearing anyone that might not look or think the exact same as you. Simple minded is booing the young men wearing the colours and flag of their country that they have dreamt of doing since they were small boys and because they dare try to use their profile to make a stand for something they believe in. Edited by DanH (08 Jun 2021 10.01pm) Isn't the reality rather that's it's you guys who fear those who think differently. You're the ones complaining about those booing the demonstrations you believe in. You have no issues with your free speech but want to b1tch and moan if anyone else has theirs. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Jun 21 10.08pm

Originally posted by DanH

Anyone that can recognise, accept and tolerate this is the opposite of simple minded. Simple minded is fearing difference. Fearing anyone that might not look or think the exact same as you.

Edited by DanH (08 Jun 2021 10.01pm)

Isn't the reality rather that's it's you guys who fear those who think differently.

You're the ones complaining about those booing the demonstrations you believe in.

You have no issues with your free speech but want to b1tch and moan if anyone else has theirs.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Eaglecoops CR3 08 Jun 21 10.12pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle How did footballers become inspirational social arbiters? Until recently they were overpaid boneheads whose interests were collecting Bentleys and Cristal bottles and spit roasting each other’s groupies - now they’re the social conscience of the nation. Sad isn’t it.

Eaglecoops

CR3 08 Jun 21 10.12pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Sad isn’t it.

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