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Great news the sovereignty issue is finally sorted. It is going to China. 'Huawei the lads'!!!!!
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
This from someone who thinks London is still a great place to live? That’s taking delusion to self hypnotic levels. Thanks for the entirely irrelevant ad homein on where I live - great stuff. Quality debate. I couldn’t care less about a round of applause; merely highlighting the laughable levels of hypocrisy that some show.
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
So lets break it down. On principle America works by democracy, trump was democratically elected. Trump has a principle to stop illegal border activity. I think it's a bad principle to stop a president trying to protect America. I think his primary goal is to get elected and the so called principles are the tactics employed to win votes, create this scenario where the country is failing and under threat and he is the super hero who will save the day. Since you're an expert I was wondering regarding making America great again, why wasn't it great before and is it great again now?
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Great news the sovereignty issue is finally sorted. It is going to China. 'Huawei the lads'!!!!!
We're taking back control
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I think his primary goal is to get elected and the so called principles are the tactics employed to win votes, create this scenario where the country is failing and under threat and he is the super hero who will save the day. Since you're an expert I was wondering regarding making America great again, why wasn't it great before and is it great again now? Is this a subjective or objective question?
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It’s hilarious the outrage from Brexiters when you dare to challenge their intelligence, but a post like the above deserves a round of applause - do you genuinely not see your own hypocrisy? “The thrill of being anti” is something I would consider far more applicable to the right. Anyone who believes their ‘side’ is superior, be it morally or intellectually, is frankly living in delusion. As the left continues to skew further and further left and overtly socialist/Marxist/communist commentators dominate the mainstream the right will hold the moral high ground. Socialism is now the establishment default position and conservatism is now the counter culture.
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I think his primary goal is to get elected and the so called principles are the tactics employed to win votes, create this scenario where the country is failing and under threat and he is the super hero who will save the day. Since you're an expert I was wondering regarding making America great again, why wasn't it great before and is it great again now? "Tactics" he is trying to do what he has promised.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Thanks for the entirely irrelevant ad homein on where I live - great stuff. Quality debate. I couldn’t care less about a round of applause; merely highlighting the laughable levels of hypocrisy that some show. Didn’t mention a round of applause. I said it’d get the clap.
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Originally posted by W12
It's not about the left and the right, it's about class and it's about the disaster of globalism that's been pushed on the masses.
For me the great political/moral and any and every other conept you want to envisage, is how it is managed in terms of maintaining the notion of the nation state which does offer, badly I concede, still the best organisational structure for the individual to still have a semblance of control over their own life. I am as guilty as most in terms of this increasingly 20th century definition of left & right, with an unholy influence of dead Germans proving seemingly more malignent by the year but we all need to face up to the reality of the world as it is, not how we would like it to be. Throw in the increasing influence, whether we like to admit it or not, of technology over almost every aspect of our lives and what some long dead Kraut, writing in long-hand by the light of a gas lamp, may or may not have thought becomes increasingly irrelevant. The mobile phone in almost all of our pockets, and often more than one, is the most obvious example of that. That single device gives all of us the ability to communicate with the vast majority of people on this planet from not only the comfort of our own homes but, even at its most expensive, for effectively peanuts. Those alone undermine almost all previous given political definites from the 20th century. We take them for granted but they are the means by which globalisation is now part of our everyday reality. There is no good or bad about that, merely just is. But the notion of a bloc such as the EU, which is when all said and done nothing more than a protectionist collective looking to secure industrys that are no longer economically viable along with a terrible fear of what Germany may or may not do in future becomes more and more anachronistic by the year. We live in a new age and yet we are governed by the politics of last century. That has yet to catch up and may well be the harbringer of it all collapsing around us.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It’s hilarious the outrage from Brexiters when you dare to challenge their intelligence, but a post like the above deserves a round of applause - do you genuinely not see your own hypocrisy? “The thrill of being anti” is something I would consider far more applicable to the right. I always thought in politics the left demonstrate against things(anti)- while the right demonstrates for things... E.g. the right voted for Brexit whereas the left demonstrate against it... Myself, I'm a remainer... living and working in Spain... Once out of Europe, we could have another referendum to get back in... Until then, put up or shut up...!!
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Thanks for the entirely irrelevant ad homein on where I live - great stuff. Quality debate. Ad hominem? Pinpoint criticism more like. If you viewed that as ad hominem then your own commentary is ad homeinem.....there is a difference between criticism and personal insult. Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I couldn’t care less about a round of applause; merely highlighting the laughable levels of hypocrisy that some show. Hypocrisy? You ridiculed reaction to a post claiming hypocrisy and made a comment about 'superiority' with only your own opinion to back it up without actually highlighting anything from the post.
Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Apr 2019 12.52pm)
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Great news the sovereignty issue is finally sorted. It is going to China. 'Huawei the lads'!!!!!
I just don't trust the people making these decisions.
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Originally posted by Matov
For me the great political/moral and any and every other conept you want to envisage, is how it is managed in terms of maintaining the notion of the nation state which does offer, badly I concede, still the best organisational structure for the individual to still have a semblance of control over their own life. I am as guilty as most in terms of this increasingly 20th century definition of left & right, with an unholy influence of dead Germans proving seemingly more malignent by the year but we all need to face up to the reality of the world as it is, not how we would like it to be. Throw in the increasing influence, whether we like to admit it or not, of technology over almost every aspect of our lives and what some long dead Kraut, writing in long-hand by the light of a gas lamp, may or may not have thought becomes increasingly irrelevant. The mobile phone in almost all of our pockets, and often more than one, is the most obvious example of that. That single device gives all of us the ability to communicate with the vast majority of people on this planet from not only the comfort of our own homes but, even at its most expensive, for effectively peanuts. Those alone undermine almost all previous given political definites from the 20th century. We take them for granted but they are the means by which globalisation is now part of our everyday reality. There is no good or bad about that, merely just is. But the notion of a bloc such as the EU, which is when all said and done nothing more than a protectionist collective looking to secure industrys that are no longer economically viable along with a terrible fear of what Germany may or may not do in future becomes more and more anachronistic by the year. We live in a new age and yet we are governed by the politics of last century. That has yet to catch up and may well be the harbringer of it all collapsing around us. On the globalisation point? Agree. It is not a choice. It is pointless attempting to resist it. Better to focus energies elsewhere, or waste life trying. It is an inevitability unless you remove technology from the equation.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Great news the sovereignty issue is finally sorted. It is going to China. 'Huawei the lads'!!!!!
The China syndrome?
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Originally posted by Matov
For me the great political/moral and any and every other conept you want to envisage, is how it is managed in terms of maintaining the notion of the nation state which does offer, badly I concede, still the best organisational structure for the individual to still have a semblance of control over their own life. Sure, the genie can't....morally... be put back in the bottle but we can put the cork back in the bottle. Indeed, unless that is done the very concept of the nation state as anything cohesive at all becomes meaningless.....which is what the supporters of open borders/open ended immigration want anyway. We are already into more authoritarian times and politics and it's going to take the next generation of politicians to push that back. I never thought that I'd see the day when the Conservative party accepted intersectional feminism for social policy. But that day happened......I'm continually embarrassed by it. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Apr 2019 1.06pm)
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
On the globalisation point? Agree. It is not a choice. It is pointless attempting to resist it. Better to focus energies elsewhere, or waste life trying. It is an inevitability unless you remove technology from the equation. Japan proves this incorrect. These are political choices, not inevitability. The damage most definitely can be contained at this point.....It's only America where the point of no return has been met.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
This from someone who thinks London is still a great place to live? That’s taking delusion to self hypnotic levels. In fairness that is extremely subjective. I also share that viewpoint – right now I'd rather be somewhere that stimulates and satiates my brain than going back in time to where the most exciting thing in my life would be seeing the same hedge (or insert literally anything here) every day in bland, boring and suffocating suburban hell. Staring at a white wall and waiting to die would probably be preferable.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Hypocrisy? You ridiculed reaction to a post claiming hypocrisy and made a comment about 'superiority' with only your own opinion to back it up without actually highlighting anything from the post.
Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Apr 2019 12.52pm) Whether my Latin is correct or not, it was a petty response to my post which didn’t at all address the contents and instead ridiculed an opinion shared months ago in a completely different thread - quite why you’ve chosen to defend that I don’t know. I have claimed no superiority, and I would’ve thought it’s quite self-explanatory the parts of the post I was taking issue with; “If you stopped being such w***ers, just for a few moments, you might start winning people over a little. But you won’t. The thrill of being anti along with the terrible addiction to virtue signalling means you will carry on with being such terrible s*** c***s and fail to win over anybody with half a brain” Aim the ‘you’ at Brexiteers, and everyone’s foaming at the mouth in outrage - that’s the hypocrisy. It’s really not a complicated point.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Japan proves this incorrect. These are political choices, not inevitability. The damage most definitely can be contained at this point.....It's only America where the point of no return has been met.
I disagree. Just look at the reality of the situation. Technology is the one crucial spanner in the works that trumps political will and anything else for that matter, now the wheels are fully in motion. Plus there is no significant political will to reverse it anyway. So the point still stands. Also we've done this before, and you always use the same, limiting example. An anomaly does not prove a point. Even Japan is realising it has to open up to survive – it's slowly creeping in there. Let's say they manage to somehow hold it off for another 20 years, which in my view is near impossible, it doesn't matter. As Matov puts it, the genie is out of the bottle and there is no going back. For me, that's just an observable fact.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Whether my Latin is correct or not, it was a petty response to my post which didn’t at all address the contents and instead ridiculed an opinion shared months ago in a completely different thread - quite why you’ve chosen to defend that I don’t know. I have claimed no superiority, and I would’ve thought it’s quite self-explanatory the parts of the post I was taking issue with; “If you stopped being such w***ers, just for a few moments, you might start winning people over a little. But you won’t. The thrill of being anti along with the terrible addiction to virtue signalling means you will carry on with being such terrible s*** c***s and fail to win over anybody with half a brain” Aim the ‘you’ at Brexiteers, and everyone’s foaming at the mouth in outrage - that’s the hypocrisy. It’s really not a complicated point. Apologies for the pettiness of my response. From now on I shall only respond with the solemnity commensurate with the gravity of your observations.
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