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dannyboy1978 29 Apr 19 6.37am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I just watched the video and reach very different conclusions. I think this is our Parliamentary committee system at it's best, exposing the failings of a Police force and holding them to account. That people sometimes fail is an inevitability. There is a right way to deal with those failures and there is a wrong way. The right way is shown in the video, quietly and effectively. The wrong way is to try to make political capital out of it and winding up the tensions, thus making things worse and not better. I see no influence at all from immigrant communities trying to silence investigations and would be the first to object if I did. I do though see attempts from some, Robinson being one, to exploit the situation in pursuit of a bigger agenda. The video is highlighting the failures and criticising the police for ignoring innocent children, they arrested the children not the rapists!! and it was people like Tommy Robinson who raised the alarm bells.

dannyboy1978

29 Apr 19 6.37am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I just watched the video and reach very different conclusions. I think this is our Parliamentary committee system at it's best, exposing the failings of a Police force and holding them to account.

That people sometimes fail is an inevitability. There is a right way to deal with those failures and there is a wrong way. The right way is shown in the video, quietly and effectively. The wrong way is to try to make political capital out of it and winding up the tensions, thus making things worse and not better.

I see no influence at all from immigrant communities trying to silence investigations and would be the first to object if I did. I do though see attempts from some, Robinson being one, to exploit the situation in pursuit of a bigger agenda.

The video is highlighting the failures and criticising the police for ignoring innocent children, they arrested the children not the rapists!! and it was people like Tommy Robinson who raised the alarm bells.

dannyboy1978 29 Apr 19 6.43am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Yes, he comes across as a quite simple person and only seems to attract the same sort of like minded EDL types. [Link] [Link] Edited by Pussay Patrol (29 Apr 2019 6.00am) Edited by Pussay Patrol (29 Apr 2019 6.03am) What's wrong with simple minded people? Is it only intelligent people that can have a point of view.

dannyboy1978

29 Apr 19 6.43am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Yes, he comes across as a quite simple person and only seems to attract the same sort of like minded EDL types.

[Link]

Edited by Pussay Patrol (29 Apr 2019 6.00am)

Edited by Pussay Patrol (29 Apr 2019 6.03am)

What's wrong with simple minded people?
Is it only intelligent people that can have a point of view.

Pussay Patrol 29 Apr 19 7.38am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 What's wrong with simple minded people? Is it only intelligent people that can have a point of view. Evidently not Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

29 Apr 19 7.38am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

What's wrong with simple minded people?
Is it only intelligent people that can have a point of view.

Evidently not

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

dannyboy1978 29 Apr 19 7.44am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Evidently not So why make that previous remark ?

dannyboy1978

29 Apr 19 7.44am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Evidently not

So why make that previous remark ?

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 19 9.08am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I just watched the video and reach very different conclusions. I think this is our Parliamentary committee system at it's best, exposing the failings of a Police force and holding them to account. That people sometimes fail is an inevitability. There is a right way to deal with those failures and there is a wrong way. The right way is shown in the video, quietly and effectively. The wrong way is to try to make political capital out of it and winding up the tensions, thus making things worse and not better. I see no influence at all from immigrant communities trying to silence investigations and would be the first to object if I did. I do though see attempts from some, Robinson being one, to exploit the situation in pursuit of a bigger agenda. That was a nice bit of spin. The environment we live in caused the cover up of these crimes and no one deserves any credit whatsoever in that situation. I couldn't care less about Robinson but you have proved my point nicely by highlighting his role in exposing the situation rather than saying that any reasonable person should be disgusted by the whole affair and asking why people with such a low regard for British women are even in this country to begin with.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Apr 19 9.08am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I just watched the video and reach very different conclusions. I think this is our Parliamentary committee system at it's best, exposing the failings of a Police force and holding them to account.

That people sometimes fail is an inevitability. There is a right way to deal with those failures and there is a wrong way. The right way is shown in the video, quietly and effectively. The wrong way is to try to make political capital out of it and winding up the tensions, thus making things worse and not better.

That was a nice bit of spin. The environment we live in caused the cover up of these crimes and no one deserves any credit whatsoever in that situation.

I couldn't care less about Robinson but you have proved my point nicely by highlighting his role in exposing the situation rather than saying that any reasonable person should be disgusted by the whole affair and asking why people with such a low regard for British women are even in this country to begin with.

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 19 9.15am
Originally posted by Mapletree Given exactly that point, why is Yaxley-Lennon lauded as a spokesperson. Surely there is someone that is not a criminal available to carry the torch. Perhaps points made would then have some credibility. Robinson echoes the sentiment that regular people feel. He hasn't created it like you would like us to believe. Once again you prove my point by highlighting Robinson and not being more concerned with the circumstances of this disgraceful affair. Who is more of a problem in this country? Organised gangs of pakistanis raping hundreds of young girls across the country or one bloke publicly voicing his objections to the religion and culture that produced them? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2019 9.18am)

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Apr 19 9.15am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Given exactly that point, why is Yaxley-Lennon lauded as a spokesperson. Surely there is someone that is not a criminal available to carry the torch. Perhaps points made would then have some credibility.

Robinson echoes the sentiment that regular people feel. He hasn't created it like you would like us to believe.

Once again you prove my point by highlighting Robinson and not being more concerned with the circumstances of this disgraceful affair.
Who is more of a problem in this country? Organised gangs of pakistanis raping hundreds of young girls across the country or one bloke publicly voicing his objections to the religion and culture that produced them?

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2019 9.18am)

Stirlingsays 29 Apr 19 9.19am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 So why make that previous remark ? Especially when it was made on a post he had to exit twice. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

29 Apr 19 9.19am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

So why make that previous remark ?

Especially when it was made on a post he had to exit twice.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 9.32am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 The video is highlighting the failures and criticising the police for ignoring innocent children, they arrested the children not the rapists!! and it was people like Tommy Robinson who raised the alarm bells. No it isn't. The video is showing how a Parliamentary committee deals with such failures. Robinson wasn't mentioned and I doubt very much whether any of the MPs on the committee would give him the time of day let alone any thanks for "raising the alarm bells". For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 9.32am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

No it isn't. The video is showing how a Parliamentary committee deals with such failures. Robinson wasn't mentioned and I doubt very much whether any of the MPs on the committee would give him the time of day let alone any thanks for "raising the alarm bells".

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 19 9.42am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No it isn't. The video is showing how a Parliamentary committee deals with such failures. Robinson wasn't mentioned and I doubt very much whether any of the MPs on the committee would give him the time of day let alone any thanks for "raising the alarm bells". Well call me strange but I would have thought that the overriding question would be about the kinds of people we allow into this country. No one want to go there do they.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Apr 19 9.42am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Well call me strange but I would have thought that the overriding question would be about the kinds of people we allow into this country.

No one want to go there do they.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 9.51am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That was a nice bit of spin. The environment we live in caused the cover up of these crimes and no one deserves any credit whatsoever in that situation. I couldn't care less about Robinson but you have proved my point nicely by highlighting his role in exposing the situation rather than saying that any reasonable person should be disgusted by the whole affair and asking why people with such a low regard for British women are even in this country to begin with. It's this idea that Robinson's role in "highlighting this situation" being beneficial which is so wrong. Official investigations and the subsequent reports dealt with in a structured way is the right way to handle such failures. When dealing with highly sensitive issues like this we don't want people like Robinson throwing petrol onto a fire. We don't need headlines in the Sun and the Daily Mail designed to wind up people. We need quiet, effective, corrective action which ensures that the criminals are brought to justice, that any Police failings are found and dealt with, and that the community regains confidence in those whose job it is to protect them. Any residual problems involving any person's, or group's, lack of respect for others has to be a long term project involving the education system and the whole community. Such issues do not disappear overnight and are not helped by those seeking to use the issues for their particular political purposes. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 9.51am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That was a nice bit of spin. The environment we live in caused the cover up of these crimes and no one deserves any credit whatsoever in that situation.

It's this idea that Robinson's role in "highlighting this situation" being beneficial which is so wrong.

Official investigations and the subsequent reports dealt with in a structured way is the right way to handle such failures. When dealing with highly sensitive issues like this we don't want people like Robinson throwing petrol onto a fire. We don't need headlines in the Sun and the Daily Mail designed to wind up people. We need quiet, effective, corrective action which ensures that the criminals are brought to justice, that any Police failings are found and dealt with, and that the community regains confidence in those whose job it is to protect them.

Any residual problems involving any person's, or group's, lack of respect for others has to be a long term project involving the education system and the whole community. Such issues do not disappear overnight and are not helped by those seeking to use the issues for their particular political purposes.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 9.57am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Well call me strange but I would have thought that the overriding question would be about the kinds of people we allow into this country. No one want to go there do they. Have you ever been involved in the visa process? The level of investigation that takes place is mind blowing. No doubt the level of lying from some matches it. This is not a simple matter. No doubt you would want to ban everyone from certain countries or who hold a particular religion but we open a huge can of worms if we go down that road. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 9.57am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well call me strange but I would have thought that the overriding question would be about the kinds of people we allow into this country.

No one want to go there do they.

Have you ever been involved in the visa process?

The level of investigation that takes place is mind blowing. No doubt the level of lying from some matches it.

This is not a simple matter. No doubt you would want to ban everyone from certain countries or who hold a particular religion but we open a huge can of worms if we go down that road.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 19 10.00am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It's this idea that Robinson's role in "highlighting this situation" being beneficial which is so wrong. Official investigations and the subsequent reports dealt with in a structured way is the right way to handle such failures. When dealing with highly sensitive issues like this we don't want people like Robinson throwing petrol onto a fire. We don't need headlines in the Sun and the Daily Mail designed to wind up people. We need quiet, effective, corrective action which ensures that the criminals are brought to justice, that any Police failings are found and dealt with, and that the community regains confidence in those whose job it is to protect them. Any residual problems involving any person's, or group's, lack of respect for others has to be a long term project involving the education system and the whole community. Such issues do not disappear overnight and are not helped by those seeking to use the issues for their particular political purposes. People use situations for political purposes all the time. This is nothing new. If this was about one isolated case I would have sympathy for your interpretation but that same scenario has occurred a dozen times in different places. The common denominator is obvious and it is most telling that some people are more interested in Robinson that facing up to the reality that we have imported a huge problem.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Apr 19 10.00am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's this idea that Robinson's role in "highlighting this situation" being beneficial which is so wrong.

People use situations for political purposes all the time. This is nothing new.
If this was about one isolated case I would have sympathy for your interpretation but that same scenario has occurred a dozen times in different places.
The common denominator is obvious and it is most telling that some people are more interested in Robinson that facing up to the reality that we have imported a huge problem.

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 19 10.08am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Have you ever been involved in the visa process? The level of investigation that takes place is mind blowing. No doubt the level of lying from some matches it. This is not a simple matter. No doubt you would want to ban everyone from certain countries or who hold a particular religion but we open a huge can of worms if we go down that road. Life is never simple. I won't lie and say that I'm glad we welcomed these people here. For me, this kind of policy is an accident waiting to happen. I would favour deportation for any first or second generation criminal and that should be part of the agreement with any county that they come from. Why should we pay to keep these people in prison when many of us didn't want them here in the first place. We were right.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Apr 19 10.08am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Have you ever been involved in the visa process?

The level of investigation that takes place is mind blowing. No doubt the level of lying from some matches it.

This is not a simple matter. No doubt you would want to ban everyone from certain countries or who hold a particular religion but we open a huge can of worms if we go down that road.

Life is never simple.

I won't lie and say that I'm glad we welcomed these people here. For me, this kind of policy is an accident waiting to happen.
I would favour deportation for any first or second generation criminal and that should be part of the agreement with any county that they come from.

Why should we pay to keep these people in prison when many of us didn't want them here in the first place.

We were right.

Midlands Eagle 29 Apr 19 10.09am
Tommy Robinson has his own thread so can you leave him out of this one please.

Midlands Eagle

29 Apr 19 10.09am

Tommy Robinson has his own thread so can you leave him out of this one please.

steeleye20 Croydon 29 Apr 19 10.09am
Originally posted by ASCPFC Have we left yet? Yes we left so we are now in the EU. You don't really get brexit do you?

steeleye20

Croydon 29 Apr 19 10.09am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Have we left yet?

Yes we left so we are now in the EU.

You don't really get brexit do you?

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 19 10.16am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Tommy Robinson has his own thread so can you leave him out of this one please. I'd actually forgotten this as the Brexit thread. The amount of attention Robinson gets generally is ridiculous. It helps people to deflect from the real issues. Maybe MI5 employ people to create these distractions. Now Brexit. Have we left yet?

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Apr 19 10.16am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Tommy Robinson has his own thread so can you leave him out of this one please.

I'd actually forgotten this as the Brexit thread.

The amount of attention Robinson gets generally is ridiculous.
It helps people to deflect from the real issues. Maybe MI5 employ people to create these distractions.

Now Brexit. Have we left yet?

Pussay Patrol 29 Apr 19 10.49am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Have you ever been involved in the visa process? The level of investigation that takes place is mind blowing. No doubt the level of lying from some matches it. This is not a simple matter. No doubt you would want to ban everyone from certain countries or who hold a particular religion but we open a huge can of worms if we go down that road. No, they are pouring in, they get free housing and money innit.... Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

29 Apr 19 10.49am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Have you ever been involved in the visa process?

The level of investigation that takes place is mind blowing. No doubt the level of lying from some matches it.

This is not a simple matter. No doubt you would want to ban everyone from certain countries or who hold a particular religion but we open a huge can of worms if we go down that road.

No, they are pouring in, they get free housing and money innit....

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Stirlingsays 29 Apr 19 10.55am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol No, they are pouring in, they get free housing and money innit.... If the left had their way with no opposition the system would have been far easier for them. Importing voters. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

29 Apr 19 10.55am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

No, they are pouring in, they get free housing and money innit....

If the left had their way with no opposition the system would have been far easier for them.

Importing voters.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Midlands Eagle 29 Apr 19 11.05am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Now Brexit. Have we left yet? I have just returned from a fortnight in The Canaries where Brexit wasn't mentioned at all. If it wasn't for popping in here occasionally to look at the latest Pussy Bollox I wouldn't have known it was happening (or not) at all

Midlands Eagle

29 Apr 19 11.05am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Now Brexit. Have we left yet?

I have just returned from a fortnight in The Canaries where Brexit wasn't mentioned at all. If it wasn't for popping in here occasionally to look at the latest Pussy Bollox I wouldn't have known it was happening (or not) at all

W12 29 Apr 19 11.12am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I have just returned from a fortnight in The Canaries where Brexit wasn't mentioned at all. If it wasn't for popping in here occasionally to look at the latest Pussy Bollox I wouldn't have known it was happening (or not) at all You are aware that all travel to the EU will be impossible in the event of a no deal Brexit?

W12 29 Apr 19 11.12am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

You are aware that all travel to the EU will be impossible in the event of a no deal Brexit?

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