Isn't that a phrase coined by Theresa May?

I have! Worked for 3 years as a visa officer on the sub-continent. The level of investigation is nowhere near the levels it was, most visas are processed on paper (in the UK) and therefore it is impossible to make in-depth enquiries anymore. The level of deceipt is staggering from the young to the old and you can obtain most types of certificates/documentation without any problem. Somewhat morbid, I know, but I have my own "genuine" death certificate which has passed all forgery examinations as being genuine.

I didn't say he was mentioned but I'm telling you he was raising the issue of grooming gangs before the authority's raised the alarm bells.
You might not like him but he was right and I don't think you like it that he is right and talks about hard facts

You need to learn to read and not make assumptions. All I said was that I noticed a particular place being busy on a what I remembered being a Saturday and people then assumed ignorance. It may well be that it really was a Saturday and it was for some kind of kids party, or other event. It could be that my memory was faulty and it was a Friday. What it doesn't mean is that I am unaware that the Islamic holy day is a Friday.

It is very instructive how people have jumped onto a very minor remark and tried to blow it up into some kind of international crisis. Reminds me of Trump like diversion tactics designed to shift the focus away from arguments they know they have lost.

So just why did we welcome "these" people here? Assuming you primarily mean people originally from pakistan and Bangladesh and not refugees from the middle east.

I am not so sure it was a deliberate policy but more a legacy of the right to British citizenship previously granted to all Commonwealth country citizens, which has been eroded over time. I confess I am no expert on this and would have to research the details.

The fact though remains that we are where we are and we need to handle things as they are, and not as they might have been.

Returning first generation immigrants who commit crime seems sensible to me, although there is always the likelihood of appeals based on the possibility of the country they would go to being unsafe. Second generation immigrants who only hold a British passport present a much bigger challenge.

Whether you like it, or not, "these" people are now our people and we need to find ways to re-orientate them to become useful and peace loving citizens. As I see this already happening with large numbers of "these" people I am far from without hope. We need to be ruthless with any criminal activity and very encouraging to all those who embrace our culture.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Apr 2019 7.04pm)

So just why did we welcome "these" people here? Assuming you primarily mean people originally from pakistan and Bangladesh and not refugees from the middle east.

I am not so sure it was a deliberate policy but more a legacy of the right to British citizenship previously granted to all Commonwealth country citizens, which has been eroded over time. I confess I am no expert on this and would have to research the details.

The fact though remains that we are where we are and we need to handle things as they are, and not as they might have been.

Returning first generation immigrants who commit crime seems sensible to me, although there is always the likelihood of appeals based on the possibility of the country they would go to being unsafe. Second generation immigrants who only hold a British passport present a much bigger challenge.

Whether you like it, or not, "these" people are now our people and we need to find ways to re-orientate them to become useful and peace loving citizens. As I see this already happening with large numbers of "these" people I am far from without hope. We need to be ruthless with any criminal activity and very encouraging to all those who embrace our culture.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (29 Apr 2019 7.04pm)

I hope you have FACTS to back up this statement otherwise PP will be on to you to produce them

Farage is not a tory and clearly can not be their leader, really S.

He has stood for parliament 7 times and never been elected.

'Fromage not Farage'

How pathetic are you trying to imply something by repeating 'these' in quotes.

I have no problem pointing the finger at one group of people when they have been almost entirely responsible for an unprecedented multiple instance crime in this country.

But you just keep on implying racism like a good apologist does.

So let's not let facts get in the way of cheap shots! The facts are that I have lived in quite a number places, some of which have a significant Muslim population. So I have no excuses not to be aware of their practices because of location. I am not that aware because I don't pay any attention to any religious practices, except when they interfere with my life. In truth I have been more disturbed by Christians than Muslims because where I was in Asia they have a habit of broadcasting their services via loudspeakers on the roof so loudly, and so early, that they could be heard half a mile away. Not just on Sunday's either.