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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 29 Apr 19 9.56pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle In the vast majority of cases we are not though the host country. We are not dealing with people on working visas who will return to their home country after they expire. We are dealing with people who hold British passports, or are on the way to getting one, or to holding indefinite leave to remain which entitles them to apply for citizenship. Most of those involved are British citizens, whether you recognise them as such or not. This is my personal gripe & believe me I live in a part of the Bronx which up until 5 years ago was primarily Latino, mainly Puerto Ricans & Dominicans alongside Ecuadorians, Hondurans, Guatamalans, Mexicans Etc I find from personal experience that neither the Bangaladeshis or Yemenis which have become prevalant recently try to Integrate in any way shape or form. You never see them working on local construction sites you never see them working in local supermarkets or working in local doctors or dentist clinics. You never see them at local concerts or sports arenas or see them at local cinemas or theatres. They all appear to want to drag their third world to here the first world. This for me has been a major f*** up on behalf of the Obama administration to introduce these people ad finutum, they simply have no intention of integrating no matter how many 'Bells & whistles' You put on it. Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 29 Apr 19 9.56pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

In the vast majority of cases we are not though the host country. We are not dealing with people on working visas who will return to their home country after they expire.

We are dealing with people who hold British passports, or are on the way to getting one, or to holding indefinite leave to remain which entitles them to apply for citizenship.

Most of those involved are British citizens, whether you recognise them as such or not.

This is my personal gripe & believe me I live in a part of the Bronx which up until 5 years ago was primarily Latino, mainly Puerto Ricans & Dominicans alongside Ecuadorians, Hondurans, Guatamalans, Mexicans Etc I find from personal experience that neither the Bangaladeshis or Yemenis which have become prevalant recently try to Integrate in any way shape or form. You never see them working on local construction sites you never see them working in local supermarkets or working in local doctors or dentist clinics.
You never see them at local concerts or sports arenas or see them at local cinemas or theatres.
They all appear to want to drag their third world to here the first world.
This for me has been a major f*** up on behalf of the Obama administration to introduce these people ad finutum, they simply have no intention of integrating no matter how many 'Bells & whistles' You put on it.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 9.57pm
Originally posted by Spiderman That is surprising as when I worked overseas 1999-2002 we interviewed every applicant for any type of visa, this was stopped in 2002. Presumably no face to face interview though? Your scenario about employee does not surprise me, my brother worked in PR for a UK based US company and wanted my advice on an applicant from West Africa, all I could do was advise to be wary of any claimed qualifications....they employed him and turned out to be same problem as you encountered You are quite right. In 2002 it was done by a personal interview at the Embassy, which was a pleasant experience. I was there in the Embassy (not the interview, which lasted 20 mins and confirmed everything previously submitted and the English). In 2016 the interviews had been handed out to an agency and the Embassy dealt only with the paperwork submitted. The form was nearly 100 pages long and asked huge levels of detail about the financial situation not only of the applicant but the sponsor, plus where they would live. Then there were TB tests and an IELTS English exam. After 2.5 years it is all done again here in the UK, with another IELTS and then after 5 years another round, this time with a "life in the UK" test which examines the applicant's attitudes towards British culture. The costs are huge and now include a NHS surcharge for the first 5 years For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 29 Apr 19 9.57pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

That is surprising as when I worked overseas 1999-2002 we interviewed every applicant for any type of visa, this was stopped in 2002. Presumably no face to face interview though?
Your scenario about employee does not surprise me, my brother worked in PR for a UK based US company and wanted my advice on an applicant from West Africa, all I could do was advise to be wary of any claimed qualifications....they employed him and turned out to be same problem as you encountered

You are quite right. In 2002 it was done by a personal interview at the Embassy, which was a pleasant experience. I was there in the Embassy (not the interview, which lasted 20 mins and confirmed everything previously submitted and the English).

In 2016 the interviews had been handed out to an agency and the Embassy dealt only with the paperwork submitted. The form was nearly 100 pages long and asked huge levels of detail about the financial situation not only of the applicant but the sponsor, plus where they would live. Then there were TB tests and an IELTS English exam. After 2.5 years it is all done again here in the UK, with another IELTS and then after 5 years another round, this time with a "life in the UK" test which examines the applicant's attitudes towards British culture. The costs are huge and now include a NHS surcharge for the first 5 years

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Apr 19 10.08pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle As it was, and remains, far from clear who you mean by "these" people the word needs to be in quotes. Nothing was implied, but you need to be clearer. Do you mean all immigrants, all Muslims or just those from particular countries? It is though interesting that you mention racism because I didn't and it wasn't implied either. Almost everyone involved was from one nationality and one religion, so it should be easy to figure out who I was talking about, even for you.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Apr 19 10.08pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As it was, and remains, far from clear who you mean by "these" people the word needs to be in quotes. Nothing was implied, but you need to be clearer. Do you mean all immigrants, all Muslims or just those from particular countries?

It is though interesting that you mention racism because I didn't and it wasn't implied either.

Almost everyone involved was from one nationality and one religion, so it should be easy to figure out who I was talking about, even for you.

dannyboy1978 29 Apr 19 10.16pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle In the vast majority of cases we are not though the host country. We are not dealing with people on working visas who will return to their home country after they expire. We are dealing with people who hold British passports, or are on the way to getting one, or to holding indefinite leave to remain which entitles them to apply for citizenship. Most of those involved are British citizens, whether you recognise them as such or not. Holding a passport does not make you "british" Nore would giving me a Chinese passport make me Chinese. A piece of paper means nothing in my eyes. Being british is to be part of our society and make good efforts to simulate our culture. Not live in isolation.

dannyboy1978

29 Apr 19 10.16pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

In the vast majority of cases we are not though the host country. We are not dealing with people on working visas who will return to their home country after they expire.

We are dealing with people who hold British passports, or are on the way to getting one, or to holding indefinite leave to remain which entitles them to apply for citizenship.

Most of those involved are British citizens, whether you recognise them as such or not.

Holding a passport does not make you "british"
Nore would giving me a Chinese passport make me Chinese. A piece of paper means nothing in my eyes. Being british is to be part of our society and make good efforts to simulate our culture. Not live in isolation.

Teddy Eagle 29 Apr 19 10.23pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle So let's not let facts get in the way of cheap shots! The facts are that I have lived in quite a number places, some of which have a significant Muslim population. So I have no excuses not to be aware of their practices because of location. I am not that aware because I don't pay any attention to any religious practices, except when they interfere with my life. In truth I have been more disturbed by Christians than Muslims because where I was in Asia they have a habit of broadcasting their services via loudspeakers on the roof so loudly, and so early, that they could be heard half a mile away. Not just on Sunday's either. I apologise if your enormous life experience and cultural omniscience were insulted but what I meant was that there are Norwegians and Bolivians living in London about whom I know nothing whatsoever so why should you know about Muslims but I guess you have to take your offence where you can find it.

Teddy Eagle

29 Apr 19 10.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

So let's not let facts get in the way of cheap shots! The facts are that I have lived in quite a number places, some of which have a significant Muslim population. So I have no excuses not to be aware of their practices because of location. I am not that aware because I don't pay any attention to any religious practices, except when they interfere with my life. In truth I have been more disturbed by Christians than Muslims because where I was in Asia they have a habit of broadcasting their services via loudspeakers on the roof so loudly, and so early, that they could be heard half a mile away. Not just on Sunday's either.

I apologise if your enormous life experience and cultural omniscience were insulted but what I meant was that there are Norwegians and Bolivians living in London about whom I know nothing whatsoever so why should you know about Muslims but I guess you have to take your offence where you can find it.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 19 12.27am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Almost everyone involved was from one nationality and one religion, so it should be easy to figure out who I was talking about, even for you. From all I have read they were mostly British men, albeit from a pakistani background, although various other backgrounds were involved. So what do you actually want to do? Introduce special rules on the acquisition of British citizenship for Muslims, or maybe just for pakistani men. How would that make the other, law abiding citizens in that community feel? What would the impact be? Would it create further divide or make things better? We need to punish criminals and not either nationalities or religions. Everyone now accepts that you don't judge people by their colour so why do it for other arbitrary reasons? So if by "these" people you mean the criminals I agree. If you mean anything else I don't. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (30 Apr 2019 12.27am) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 19 12.27am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Almost everyone involved was from one nationality and one religion, so it should be easy to figure out who I was talking about, even for you.

From all I have read they were mostly British men, albeit from a pakistani background, although various other backgrounds were involved. So what do you actually want to do? Introduce special rules on the acquisition of British citizenship for Muslims, or maybe just for pakistani men. How would that make the other, law abiding citizens in that community feel? What would the impact be? Would it create further divide or make things better?

We need to punish criminals and not either nationalities or religions. Everyone now accepts that you don't judge people by their colour so why do it for other arbitrary reasons?

So if by "these" people you mean the criminals I agree. If you mean anything else I don't.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (30 Apr 2019 12.27am)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 19 12.34am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Holding a passport does not make you "british" Nore would giving me a Chinese passport make me Chinese. A piece of paper means nothing in my eyes. Being british is to be part of our society and make good efforts to simulate our culture. Not live in isolation. Oh but legally it does. For someone to acquire British citizenship these days costs a lot of money, requires a great deal of paperwork, proof of entitlement, proof of income, proof of an increasing competence in English and finally to pass the "Life in the UK" examination. Those things are intended to help the applicant achieve the things you want. It has tightened up a lot in recent years but of course we can still do better. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 19 12.34am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Oh but legally it does. For someone to acquire British citizenship these days costs a lot of money, requires a great deal of paperwork, proof of entitlement, proof of income, proof of an increasing competence in English and finally to pass the "Life in the UK" examination. Those things are intended to help the applicant achieve the things you want.

It has tightened up a lot in recent years but of course we can still do better.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 19 12.37am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle I apologise if your enormous life experience and cultural omniscience were insulted but what I meant was that there are Norwegians and Bolivians living in London about whom I know nothing whatsoever so why should you know about Muslims but I guess you have to take your offence where you can find it. I wasn't the least offended. If I got offended by that kind of remark then I would not ever come here because it's happening every day. I just like to make sure people understand and not make assumptions. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 19 12.37am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

I wasn't the least offended. If I got offended by that kind of remark then I would not ever come here because it's happening every day. I just like to make sure people understand and not make assumptions.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

cpfc_chap koh samui 30 Apr 19 12.52am
Originally posted by Jimenez The Muslims do that virtually everywhere. Walk around Brooklyn & you'd think you were in downtown Riyadh. It's definitely an Islamic noise! not a Christian thing, playing there services at stupid o'clock in the morning over South East asia. Think Wisbech is getting his religions confused!

cpfc_chap

koh samui 30 Apr 19 12.52am

Originally posted by Jimenez

The Muslims do that virtually everywhere. Walk around Brooklyn & you'd think you were in downtown Riyadh.

It's definitely an Islamic noise! not a Christian thing, playing there services at stupid o'clock in the morning over South East asia. Think Wisbech is getting his religions confused!

Park Road 30 Apr 19 1.01am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You need to learn to read and not make assumptions. All I said was that I noticed a particular place being busy on a what I remembered being a Saturday and people then assumed ignorance. It may well be that it really was a Saturday and it was for some kind of kids party, or other event. It could be that my memory was faulty and it was a Friday. What it doesn't mean is that I am unaware that the Islamic holy day is a Friday. It is very instructive how people have jumped onto a very minor remark and tried to blow it up into some kind of international crisis. Reminds me of Trump like diversion tactics designed to shift the focus away from arguments they know they have lost. More excuses... You just can't stop can you...ok I get it. It's not the fact that you don'tknow much about Islam - it's because you have problems working out what day of the week it is... and if it makes you happy old boy I have lost... being senile is just part of growing up. so we'll leave it there - you probably need more time to repeat the same old excuses over and over. Edited by Park Road (30 Apr 2019 1.07am)

Park Road

30 Apr 19 1.01am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You need to learn to read and not make assumptions. All I said was that I noticed a particular place being busy on a what I remembered being a Saturday and people then assumed ignorance. It may well be that it really was a Saturday and it was for some kind of kids party, or other event. It could be that my memory was faulty and it was a Friday. What it doesn't mean is that I am unaware that the Islamic holy day is a Friday.

It is very instructive how people have jumped onto a very minor remark and tried to blow it up into some kind of international crisis. Reminds me of Trump like diversion tactics designed to shift the focus away from arguments they know they have lost.

More excuses... You just can't stop can you...ok I get it. It's not the fact that you don'tknow much about Islam - it's because you have problems working out what day of the week it is... and if it makes you happy old boy I have lost... being senile is just part of growing up. so we'll leave it there - you probably need more time to repeat the same old excuses over and over.

Edited by Park Road (30 Apr 2019 1.07am)

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 30 Apr 19 1.38am
Originally posted by cpfc_chap It's definitely an Islamic noise! not a Christian thing, playing there services at stupid o'clock in the morning over South East asia. Think Wisbech is getting his religions confused! I have a (I'm guessing a Pentecostal) type church at the end of my block (It's actually a kind of community centre)who make a bit of noise on Sunday mornings from 9AM ish thru midday, the rest of the week you don't hear a peep. Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 30 Apr 19 1.38am

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

It's definitely an Islamic noise! not a Christian thing, playing there services at stupid o'clock in the morning over South East asia. Think Wisbech is getting his religions confused!

I have a (I'm guessing a Pentecostal) type church at the end of my block (It's actually a kind of community centre)who make a bit of noise on Sunday mornings from 9AM ish thru midday, the rest of the week you don't hear a peep.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 30 Apr 19 1.50am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Oh but legally it does. For someone to acquire British citizenship these days costs a lot of money, requires a great deal of paperwork, proof of entitlement, proof of income, proof of an increasing competence in English and finally to pass the "Life in the UK" examination. Those things are intended to help the applicant achieve the things you want. It has tightened up a lot in recent years but of course we can still do better. Then we go & dumb it down by having Social security or goverment forms translated into multiple languages. If you go & live in other country at least have the courtesy to try & learn the language, & before anyone pulls the old 'Well Brits in Spain don't bother' chestnut out of the bag that applies to them as well. Imagine living in the UK for 20+ odd years & not learning English? Well this happens there was a case a couple of years back when a pakistani taxi driver from somewhere in the East Midlands was being accused of rape/sexual assault, the case had been adjourned 3/4 times & it transpired much to the Judges dismay & anger that they couldn't find a translator in time because the defendant couldn't (be bothered is my guess) speak a word of English !!! Edited by Jimenez (30 Apr 2019 1.54am) Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 30 Apr 19 1.50am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It has tightened up a lot in recent years but of course we can still do better.

Then we go & dumb it down by having Social security or goverment forms translated into multiple languages.
If you go & live in other country at least have the courtesy to try & learn the language, & before anyone pulls the old 'Well Brits in Spain don't bother' chestnut out of the bag that applies to them as well.
Imagine living in the UK for 20+ odd years & not learning English? Well this happens there was a case a couple of years back when a pakistani taxi driver from somewhere in the East Midlands was being accused of rape/sexual assault, the case had been adjourned 3/4 times & it transpired much to the Judges dismay & anger that they couldn't find a translator in time because the defendant couldn't (be bothered is my guess) speak a word of English !!!

Edited by Jimenez (30 Apr 2019 1.54am)

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Pussay Patrol 30 Apr 19 6.27am
Originally posted by Jimenez Then we go & dumb it down by having Social security or goverment forms translated into multiple languages. If you go & live in other country at least have the courtesy to try & learn the language, & before anyone pulls the old 'Well Brits in Spain don't bother' chestnut out of the bag that applies to them as well. Imagine living in the UK for 20+ odd years & not learning English? Well this happens there was a case a couple of years back when a pakistani taxi driver from somewhere in the East Midlands was being accused of rape/sexual assault, the case had been adjourned 3/4 times & it transpired much to the Judges dismay & anger that they couldn't find a translator in time because the defendant couldn't (be bothered is my guess) speak a word of English !!! Edited by Jimenez (30 Apr 2019 1.54am) how many Brits retire in Spain, France or Greece and learn the language? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

30 Apr 19 6.27am

Originally posted by Jimenez

Edited by Jimenez (30 Apr 2019 1.54am)

how many Brits retire in Spain, France or Greece and learn the language?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol 30 Apr 19 6.28am
Originally posted by Park Road More excuses... You just can't stop can you...ok I get it. It's not the fact that you don'tknow much about Islam - it's because you have problems working out what day of the week it is... and if it makes you happy old boy I have lost... being senile is just part of growing up. so we'll leave it there - you probably need more time to repeat the same old excuses over and over. Edited by Park Road (30 Apr 2019 1.07am) more sniping? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

30 Apr 19 6.28am

Originally posted by Park Road

Edited by Park Road (30 Apr 2019 1.07am)

more sniping?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

dannyboy1978 30 Apr 19 6.48am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol more sniping? Bit like your statement yesterday puss puss "Evidently not" If you you can't take it don't give it.

dannyboy1978

30 Apr 19 6.48am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

more sniping?

Bit like your statement yesterday puss puss
"Evidently not"

If you you can't take it don't give it.

Park Road 30 Apr 19 6.59am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol more sniping? Are you a Pussay sniper? Do you have a specific woman in your sights for sexual enjoyment to obtain them as a trophy for sexual purpose with great patience and little skill for sexual execution of said target? As your username suggests

Park Road

30 Apr 19 6.59am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

more sniping?

Are you a Pussay sniper?

Do you have a specific woman in your sights for sexual enjoyment to obtain them as a trophy for sexual purpose with great patience and little skill for sexual execution of said target?

As your username suggests

Teddy Eagle 30 Apr 19 7.08am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol how many Brits retire in Spain, France or Greece and learn the language? Retiring is slightly different to working as a taxi driver for twenty years. In any case English is so widely spoken the requirement isn’t as pressing. British retirees don’t expect the cultural values of those countries to be changed to suit them either.

Teddy Eagle

30 Apr 19 7.08am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

how many Brits retire in Spain, France or Greece and learn the language?

Retiring is slightly different to working as a taxi driver for twenty years. In any case English is so widely spoken the requirement isn’t as pressing.
British retirees don’t expect the cultural values of those countries to be changed to suit them either.

Midlands Eagle 30 Apr 19 7.28am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle British retirees don’t expect the cultural values of those countries to be changed to suit them either. British cultural values are far closer to those of Spain than they are to pakistan so very little adaptation is required but most Brit retirees abroad will want British food. We are fortunate enough to have several overseas holidays a year and the majority of the villa owners that we rent from are British and speak the local language

Midlands Eagle

30 Apr 19 7.28am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

British retirees don’t expect the cultural values of those countries to be changed to suit them either.

British cultural values are far closer to those of Spain than they are to pakistan so very little adaptation is required but most Brit retirees abroad will want British food.

We are fortunate enough to have several overseas holidays a year and the majority of the villa owners that we rent from are British and speak the local language

Teddy Eagle 30 Apr 19 7.47am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle British cultural values are far closer to those of Spain than they are to pakistan so very little adaptation is required but most Brit retirees abroad will want British food. We are fortunate enough to have several overseas holidays a year and the majority of the villa owners that we rent from are British and speak the local language Yes, you’re right but I was also meaning British people in countries where some of our cultural norms are either frowned upon or actually banned.

Teddy Eagle

30 Apr 19 7.47am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

British cultural values are far closer to those of Spain than they are to pakistan so very little adaptation is required but most Brit retirees abroad will want British food.

We are fortunate enough to have several overseas holidays a year and the majority of the villa owners that we rent from are British and speak the local language

Yes, you’re right but I was also meaning British people in countries where some of our cultural norms are either frowned upon or actually banned.

Park Road 30 Apr 19 7.48am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol how many Brits retire in Spain, France or Greece and learn the language? I don't know you tell me. To help you out... I live in Spain and speak Spanish...so, that's one person.

Park Road

30 Apr 19 7.48am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

how many Brits retire in Spain, France or Greece and learn the language?

I don't know you tell me.

To help you out... I live in Spain and speak Spanish...so, that's one person.

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