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cryrst The garden of England 30 Apr 19 2.10pm
Originally posted by Jimenez Then we go & dumb it down by having Social security or goverment forms translated into multiple languages. If you go & live in other country at least have the courtesy to try & learn the language, & before anyone pulls the old 'Well Brits in Spain don't bother' chestnut out of the bag that applies to them as well. Imagine living in the UK for 20+ odd years & not learning English? Well this happens there was a case a couple of years back when a pakistani taxi driver from somewhere in the East Midlands was being accused of rape/sexual assault, the case had been adjourned 3/4 times & it transpired much to the Judges dismay & anger that they couldn't find a translator in time because the defendant couldn't (be bothered is my guess) speak a word of English !!! Edited by Jimenez (30 Apr 2019 1.54am) I guess all of his passengers were of the same language then. Wat utter bollx I bet he knew how to say 12 pounds please.

cryrst

The garden of England 30 Apr 19 2.10pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Then we go & dumb it down by having Social security or goverment forms translated into multiple languages.
If you go & live in other country at least have the courtesy to try & learn the language, & before anyone pulls the old 'Well Brits in Spain don't bother' chestnut out of the bag that applies to them as well.
Imagine living in the UK for 20+ odd years & not learning English? Well this happens there was a case a couple of years back when a pakistani taxi driver from somewhere in the East Midlands was being accused of rape/sexual assault, the case had been adjourned 3/4 times & it transpired much to the Judges dismay & anger that they couldn't find a translator in time because the defendant couldn't (be bothered is my guess) speak a word of English !!!

Edited by Jimenez (30 Apr 2019 1.54am)

I guess all of his passengers were of the same language then.
Wat utter bollx
I bet he knew how to say 12 pounds please.

cpfc_chap koh samui 30 Apr 19 2.17pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Who would want the endless st show of brexit, a salutary lesson to the other members of the EU. Every time it gets near the British PM is off to Brussels to beg for more. Making her look like a desperate Charlie whore! We don't need a deal! Remainers have made it look a f* up. If a 'leader' was in charge of Would be been so much easier!!

cpfc_chap

koh samui 30 Apr 19 2.17pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Who would want the endless s**t show of brexit, a salutary lesson to the other members of the EU.

Every time it gets near the British PM is off to Brussels to beg for more.

Making her look like a desperate Charlie whore! We don't need a deal! Remainers have made it look a f*** up. If a 'leader' was in charge of Would be been so much easier!!

cpfc_chap koh samui 30 Apr 19 2.25pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Most brits think the referendum was a bad idea including 50% of tory voters [Link] Indeed we shouldn't have asked the thick public and just left! Who needs a referendum when the majority want to leave!

cpfc_chap

koh samui 30 Apr 19 2.25pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Most brits think the referendum was a bad idea including 50% of tory voters

[Link]

Indeed we shouldn't have asked the thick public and just left! Who needs a referendum when the majority want to leave!

Midlands Eagle 30 Apr 19 2.30pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol They don't, they see the folly of Brexit and support for EU Membership has strengthened. They may well see the folly in the way that the UK has messed up it's Brexit but not necessarily the concept. Once we have left and made a success of life outside of the EU there well may be a procession of other countries wishing to leave

Midlands Eagle

30 Apr 19 2.30pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

They don't, they see the folly of Brexit and support for EU Membership has strengthened.

They may well see the folly in the way that the UK has messed up it's Brexit but not necessarily the concept.

Once we have left and made a success of life outside of the EU there well may be a procession of other countries wishing to leave

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 30 Apr 19 2.31pm
Originally posted by cpfc_chap Indeed we shouldn't have asked the thick public and just left! Who needs a referendum when the majority want to leave! You have a point. The majority of the general public are pretty bloody stupid. And by the word majority I mean 95%, not 52%. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 30 Apr 19 2.31pm

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

Indeed we shouldn't have asked the thick public and just left! Who needs a referendum when the majority want to leave!

You have a point.

The majority of the general public are pretty bloody stupid. And by the word majority I mean 95%, not 52%.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Pussay Patrol 30 Apr 19 2.37pm
Originally posted by W12 Because the UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Greece, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic etc are all increasingly less Eurosceptic? I see a mass movement across the continent to return to sanity. I don't care what data or poll you use I don't believe a word of it (there is so much disinformation flying around it's scary and people are starting to notice). I guess it's possible that the number of new immigrants (after all, what reason would they have to be Eurosceptic) is outpacing the rate at which people are waking up to the problems in the EU but I still doubt this. The EU will fail quicker than most people anticipate. I think the sentiment of your message is more that you want it to fail, to somehow justify the idea that Brexit is some sort of success story, when the entire world can see the catastrophe and you try and claim that other countries would want the same is beyond ridiculous Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

30 Apr 19 2.37pm

Originally posted by W12

Because the UK, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Greece, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic etc are all increasingly less Eurosceptic? I see a mass movement across the continent to return to sanity.

I don't care what data or poll you use I don't believe a word of it (there is so much disinformation flying around it's scary and people are starting to notice). I guess it's possible that the number of new immigrants (after all, what reason would they have to be Eurosceptic) is outpacing the rate at which people are waking up to the problems in the EU but I still doubt this.

The EU will fail quicker than most people anticipate.

I think the sentiment of your message is more that you want it to fail, to somehow justify the idea that Brexit is some sort of success story, when the entire world can see the catastrophe and you try and claim that other countries would want the same is beyond ridiculous

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

W12 30 Apr 19 3.01pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol I think the sentiment of your message is more that you want it to fail, to somehow justify the idea that Brexit is some sort of success story, when the entire world can see the catastrophe and you try and claim that other countries would want the same is beyond ridiculous It cannot be a success story until it actually happens can it?

W12 30 Apr 19 3.01pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

It cannot be a success story until it actually happens can it?

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 19 3.07pm
Originally posted by Park Road At least one of those contributors on here would struggle with any religious questions.Also,days of the week. Seriously, what arrogant old codger you are.. not the first time you have insulted those who disagree with you... Waiting for long winded repeated ,oriented response... For those who constantly need to explain themselves Edited by Park Road (30 Apr 2019 12.18pm) Edited by Park Road (30 Apr 2019 12.19pm) Nothing "long winded" needed. Just fact. The remark was not primarily directed not at anyone here, us both included, but at the nature of the tests themselves which can be pretty esoteric. I used us merely as examples of native born Brits. Your constant chirping about my supposed "lack of knowledge" is really rather facile, especially as I have explained very thoroughly. You seem to have a problem with facts. Do you also support Mr Trump by any chance? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 19 3.07pm

Originally posted by Park Road

At least one of those contributors on here would struggle with any religious questions.Also,days of the week.
Seriously, what arrogant old codger you are.. not the first time you have insulted those who disagree with you...

Waiting for long winded repeated ,oriented response...

For those who constantly need to explain themselves

Edited by Park Road (30 Apr 2019 12.18pm)

Edited by Park Road (30 Apr 2019 12.19pm)

Nothing "long winded" needed. Just fact. The remark was not primarily directed not at anyone here, us both included, but at the nature of the tests themselves which can be pretty esoteric. I used us merely as examples of native born Brits.

Your constant chirping about my supposed "lack of knowledge" is really rather facile, especially as I have explained very thoroughly. You seem to have a problem with facts. Do you also support Mr Trump by any chance?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 19 3.16pm
Originally posted by Park Road According to national religious surveys, about 5.6% of the population of the Philippines is Muslim, making Islam the second largest religion in the country That's roughly 10.7million people. A few mosques are located in Cebu City, including the Cebu Muslim Mosque located in Mambaling and the Green Mosque located alongside Creekside Street. The Cebu Muslim Mosque can be " EASILY SPOTTED" on the road leading to Labangon and faces the Shopwise Mall across McDonald’s. In those several years that you lived with that diverse culture, did you by any chance notice what any of those 10.7million did on a Friday? Google is your friend today? Mine is personal knowledge. The Cebu Mosque is the place I remember best. It is a very big and obvious building and I have passed it many times. As it was always busy on every day of the week and I was more concerned about getting through the very heavy traffic, I cannot say I particularly noticed whether Fridays were exceptional. Satisfied, or do you still want to continue making daft "points"? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 19 3.16pm

Originally posted by Park Road

According to national religious surveys, about 5.6% of the population of the Philippines is Muslim, making Islam the second largest religion in the country
That's roughly 10.7million people.

A few mosques are located in Cebu City, including the Cebu Muslim Mosque located in Mambaling and the Green Mosque located alongside Creekside Street. The Cebu Muslim Mosque can be " EASILY SPOTTED" on the road leading to Labangon and faces the Shopwise Mall across McDonald’s.

In those several years that you lived with that diverse culture, did you by any chance notice what any of those 10.7million did on a Friday?

Google is your friend today? Mine is personal knowledge.

The Cebu Mosque is the place I remember best. It is a very big and obvious building and I have passed it many times. As it was always busy on every day of the week and I was more concerned about getting through the very heavy traffic, I cannot say I particularly noticed whether Fridays were exceptional.

Satisfied, or do you still want to continue making daft "points"?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Hrolf The Ganger 30 Apr 19 3.16pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle From all I have read they were mostly British men, albeit from a pakistani background, although various other backgrounds were involved. So what do you actually want to do? Introduce special rules on the acquisition of British citizenship for Muslims, or maybe just for pakistani men. How would that make the other, law abiding citizens in that community feel? What would the impact be? Would it create further divide or make things better? We need to punish criminals and not either nationalities or religions. Everyone now accepts that you don't judge people by their colour so why do it for other arbitrary reasons? So if by "these" people you mean the criminals I agree. If you mean anything else I don't. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (30 Apr 2019 12.27am) Well, I would not have had them here in the first place and I would have been right. Given that the folly of our government's policy is history, I have already said that I would deport second generation immigrants if they commit a serious crime. The current system might not easily allow for that but as I have said, It would have to be part of the agreement with any country from which immigrants arrive or they would not be permitted to settle here. As the situation stands I would give them 30 days to leave Britain and revoke their citizenship. Just because you call yourself British and have a British passport or are born in Britain, it does not mean that anyone else sees you as British. I could move to Africa and have sons and they would not be African to other Africans, especially if they grew up and started raping the local girls. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Apr 2019 3.19pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

30 Apr 19 3.16pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

From all I have read they were mostly British men, albeit from a pakistani background, although various other backgrounds were involved. So what do you actually want to do? Introduce special rules on the acquisition of British citizenship for Muslims, or maybe just for pakistani men. How would that make the other, law abiding citizens in that community feel? What would the impact be? Would it create further divide or make things better?

We need to punish criminals and not either nationalities or religions. Everyone now accepts that you don't judge people by their colour so why do it for other arbitrary reasons?

So if by "these" people you mean the criminals I agree. If you mean anything else I don't.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (30 Apr 2019 12.27am)

Well, I would not have had them here in the first place and I would have been right.

Given that the folly of our government's policy is history, I have already said that I would deport second generation immigrants if they commit a serious crime. The current system might not easily allow for that but as I have said, It would have to be part of the agreement with any country from which immigrants arrive or they would not be permitted to settle here.

As the situation stands I would give them 30 days to leave Britain and revoke their citizenship. Just because you call yourself British and have a British passport or are born in Britain, it does not mean that anyone else sees you as British.
I could move to Africa and have sons and they would not be African to other Africans, especially if they grew up and started raping the local girls.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Apr 2019 3.19pm)

Pussay Patrol 30 Apr 19 3.20pm
Originally posted by W12 It cannot be a success story until it actually happens can it? Well it won't be because there is no strategy or plan post Brexit and the people steering the ship are the same ones who made a pigs ear of Brexit. All you have is hope and to be honest I reckon most of you brexiters know it will fail but you have defended that position so far you have to keep going Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

30 Apr 19 3.20pm

Originally posted by W12

It cannot be a success story until it actually happens can it?

Well it won't be because there is no strategy or plan post Brexit and the people steering the ship are the same ones who made a pigs ear of Brexit. All you have is hope and to be honest I reckon most of you brexiters know it will fail but you have defended that position so far you have to keep going

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Stirlingsays 30 Apr 19 3.20pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC You have a point. The majority of the general public are pretty bloody stupid. And by the word majority I mean 95%, not 52%. You have said this a couple of times now, why do you think the majority are stupid? I'm sure you are aware that within itself the statement doesn't make sense anyway. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 Apr 19 3.20pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

You have a point.

The majority of the general public are pretty bloody stupid. And by the word majority I mean 95%, not 52%.

You have said this a couple of times now, why do you think the majority are stupid? I'm sure you are aware that within itself the statement doesn't make sense anyway.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Lyons550 Shirley 30 Apr 19 3.23pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle British cultural values are far closer to those of Spain than they are to pakistan so very little adaptation is required but most Brit retirees abroad will want British food. We are fortunate enough to have several overseas holidays a year and the majority of the villa owners that we rent from are British and speak the local language I think that's becoming more of an outdated concept then it was even 10years ago. Sure the cohort you're talking about are set in their ways, but our generation and lower wouldn't be so 'set' and more open to integration and the host country's way of life The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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Shirley 30 Apr 19 3.23pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

British cultural values are far closer to those of Spain than they are to pakistan so very little adaptation is required but most Brit retirees abroad will want British food.

We are fortunate enough to have several overseas holidays a year and the majority of the villa owners that we rent from are British and speak the local language

I think that's becoming more of an outdated concept then it was even 10years ago. Sure the cohort you're talking about are set in their ways, but our generation and lower wouldn't be so 'set' and more open to integration and the host country's way of life

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Park Road 30 Apr 19 3.38pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Google is your friend today? Mine is personal knowledge. The Cebu Mosque is the place I remember best. It is a very big and obvious building and I have passed it many times. As it was always busy on every day of the week and I was more concerned about getting through the very heavy traffic, I cannot say I particularly noticed whether Fridays were exceptional. Satisfied, or do you still want to continue making daft "points"? Yes, of course it is I admit that...(did I mention you're an arrogant plum) you have been ousted about your knowledge of the the Muslim faith...but as mentioned before- yawn - excuse - me.. not yet admitted to it... I'm only satisfied when you are baby... Edited by Park Road (30 Apr 2019 3.41pm)

Park Road

30 Apr 19 3.38pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Google is your friend today? Mine is personal knowledge.

Satisfied, or do you still want to continue making daft "points"?

Yes, of course it is I admit that...(did I mention you're an arrogant plum) you have been ousted about your knowledge of the the Muslim faith...but as mentioned before- yawn - excuse - me.. not yet admitted to it...

I'm only satisfied when you are baby...

Edited by Park Road (30 Apr 2019 3.41pm)

Midlands Eagle 30 Apr 19 4.04pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 I think that's becoming more of an outdated concept then it was even 10years ago. Sure the cohort you're talking about are set in their ways, but our generation and lower wouldn't be so 'set' and more open to integration and the host country's way of life I don't really know to be honest but having spent the Easter fortnight in Lanzarote the restaurants were doing a roaring trade in full English breakfasts. I'm not sure whether that means that Brits abroad like to eat British food as we had a full English twice but never eat that sort of thing at home. I did smile when I spotted your reference to "our generation" as I have a sneaking suspicion that I am quite a bit older than you

Midlands Eagle

30 Apr 19 4.04pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

I don't really know to be honest but having spent the Easter fortnight in Lanzarote the restaurants were doing a roaring trade in full English breakfasts. I'm not sure whether that means that Brits abroad like to eat British food as we had a full English twice but never eat that sort of thing at home.

I did smile when I spotted your reference to "our generation" as I have a sneaking suspicion that I am quite a bit older than you

Hrolf The Ganger 30 Apr 19 4.46pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I don't really know to be honest but having spent the Easter fortnight in Lanzarote the restaurants were doing a roaring trade in full English breakfasts. I'm not sure whether that means that Brits abroad like to eat British food as we had a full English twice but never eat that sort of thing at home. I did smile when I spotted your reference to "our generation" as I have a sneaking suspicion that I am quite a bit older than you I am not sure why people fuss about eating habits. Food is one area where mixing culture is harmless and often pleasurable. I don't really expect people to come to Britain and suddenly start eating egg and chips when they have been raised on something different unless they develop a taste for it. I don't expect holiday makers and retired ex pats to indulge in food they don't like just to fit in. We Brits have expanded our tases for foreign food dramatically in my life time thanks to immigration but when I go to France for example and see supermarkets with whole aisles of pain au chocolat and peeled rabbits with eyeballs still in their heads on the counter, it makes me want to head for home. Don't get me started on some of the other stuff they serve in French restaurants. We like what we like.

Hrolf The Ganger

30 Apr 19 4.46pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I did smile when I spotted your reference to "our generation" as I have a sneaking suspicion that I am quite a bit older than you

I am not sure why people fuss about eating habits. Food is one area where mixing culture is harmless and often pleasurable.
I don't really expect people to come to Britain and suddenly start eating egg and chips when they have been raised on something different unless they develop a taste for it.
I don't expect holiday makers and retired ex pats to indulge in food they don't like just to fit in.

We Brits have expanded our tases for foreign food dramatically in my life time thanks to immigration but when I go to France for example and see supermarkets with whole aisles of pain au chocolat and peeled rabbits with eyeballs still in their heads on the counter, it makes me want to head for home. Don't get me started on some of the other stuff they serve in French restaurants.

We like what we like.

Lyons550 Shirley 30 Apr 19 4.46pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I don't really know to be honest but having spent the Easter fortnight in Lanzarote the restaurants were doing a roaring trade in full English breakfasts. I'm not sure whether that means that Brits abroad like to eat British food as we had a full English twice but never eat that sort of thing at home. I did smile when I spotted your reference to "our generation" as I have a sneaking suspicion that I am quite a bit older than you I was being kind ...but it was well intentioned lol The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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Shirley 30 Apr 19 4.46pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I did smile when I spotted your reference to "our generation" as I have a sneaking suspicion that I am quite a bit older than you

I was being kind ...but it was well intentioned lol

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elgrande bedford 30 Apr 19 5.53pm
Originally posted by Park Road I don't know you tell me. To help you out... I live in Spain and speak Spanish...so, that's one person. I lived there for 3 years and can get by but by know means fluent. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 30 Apr 19 5.53pm

Originally posted by Park Road

I don't know you tell me.

To help you out... I live in Spain and speak Spanish...so, that's one person.

I lived there for 3 years and can get by but by know means fluent.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Badger11 Beckenham 30 Apr 19 7.30pm
Massive boost for the Change UK tonight as Corbyn has decided to still sit on the fence regarding the peoples vote. If you want a 2nd referendum, and apparently some on this forum do, why would you vote Labour? Still this could all be part of Jeremy's master plan, does he have one I hear you say? I guess if Corbyn can do a deal with May then this is all moot. I still think that Change UK will be dead at the next GE but for now I can see them and the Brexit party picking up the protest votes. One more point

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Beckenham 30 Apr 19 7.30pm

Massive boost for the Change UK tonight as Corbyn has decided to still sit on the fence regarding the peoples vote.

If you want a 2nd referendum, and apparently some on this forum do, why would you vote Labour?

Still this could all be part of Jeremy's master plan, does he have one I hear you say? I guess if Corbyn can do a deal with May then this is all moot.

I still think that Change UK will be dead at the next GE but for now I can see them and the Brexit party picking up the protest votes.

One more point

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