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Stirlingsays Flag 30 Apr 19 7.39pm

I fear May and Corbyn are going to stitch us up with the worst deal imaginable.

Don't do it.....I want these EU MEP elections. Hopefully the very last thing to do with this collection of champagne socialist corporate protectionist chuckle fecks.

 


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DANGERCLOSE Flag London 30 Apr 19 7.54pm

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 30 Apr 19 10.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Google is your friend today? Mine is personal knowledge.

The Cebu Mosque is the place I remember best. It is a very big and obvious building and I have passed it many times. As it was always busy on every day of the week and I was more concerned about getting through the very heavy traffic, I cannot say I particularly noticed whether Fridays were exceptional.

Satisfied, or do you still want to continue making daft "points"?

Don't want to labour the point but did you not notice that the majority of the male muslim population were not to be seen on Friday's at prayer time, whereas they would have been around the rest of the week

 

Park Road Flag 30 Apr 19 10.13pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Nothing "long winded" needed. Just fact. The remark was not primarily directed not at anyone here, us both included, but at the nature of the tests themselves which can be pretty esoteric. I used us merely as examples of native born Brits.

Your constant chirping about my supposed "lack of knowledge" is really rather facile, especially as I have explained very thoroughly. You seem to have a problem with facts. Do you also support Mr Trump by any chance?

Ah Trump!
The amount of times you mention him could also be known as chirping.
Supposed lack of knowledge and the constant need to explain yourself is a trait expected of you.
Look! Be a man and Just fess up that you didn't know about Friday prayers.
Someone pulled you up on it and your response was "Probably" most people would have responded "oh yes of course I forgot" or something on those lines fact! need I say more? Knowing you I'd say yes.

To jog your memory his the actual
transcript fact:

Wisbech

I am and there is always a very big attendance there on a Saturday for their prayers etc. It is always referred to locally as "the Mosque", even though it provides other services than the strictly religious

Do you mean Friday prayers? Having lived in a muslim country for 3 years Friday was the prayer day

Wisbech's reply

Probably. I don't actually take much notice or often go past the place as it's not on a route regularly I use.I will take note next time I do

After this, of course is when you started your tirade of excuses to various posters who also noticed your lack of knowledge.(something more akin to Trump I'd have thought) go figure.

One excuse was your atheism meant you are not interested in religion the other was you don't know what goes on in community halls yet you knew that one provided other services non religious.

You also used the adverb "always" to describe the attendance there on a Saturday only to turn round and say

"it's not on a route I regularly use. I will take note next time I do."

Can you see the descrepancy there?

If you need more facts just let me know! As I'm sure you will


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 19 10.27pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well, I would not have had them here in the first place and I would have been right.

I understand that is your view but we did and now we have to deal with what we have, as you have recognised.

Given that the folly of our government's policy is history, I have already said that I would deport second generation immigrants if they commit a serious crime. The current system might not easily allow for that but as I have said, It would have to be part of the agreement with any country from which immigrants arrive or they would not be permitted to settle here.

I don't claim to be an expert on these matters but am pretty sure that any second generation immigrant is automatically a British citizen and would have no automatic legal connection to another. Cultural connections of course. I don't think we could legislate to change that and force another country to take in someone we decided we don't want, just because their parents were born there. It's individuals who make visa applications, and their home country are not involved, so trying to introduce new agreements looks to me to be a cul de sac.

As the situation stands I would give them 30 days to leave Britain and revoke their citizenship. Just because you call yourself British and have a British passport or are born in Britain, it does not mean that anyone else sees you as British.

How people see other people does not affect their legal status. You cannot wish things away just because you don't like them.

I could move to Africa and have sons and they would not be African to other Africans, especially if they grew up and started raping the local girls.

If they were born in an African country and their parents wanted to register their birth there then I think they would indeed be citizens of that country, despite what anyone else might think. I do believe though that British parents can opt to register the birth in the UK and preserve their British citizenship, but I might be wrong about that. How you are seen by others is not the same as how the law sees you.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 19 10.33pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Don't want to labour the point but did you not notice that the majority of the male muslim population were not to be seen on Friday's at prayer time, whereas they would have been around the rest of the week

I didn't but only because I didn't pay any attention. It would be difficult to tell in the Philippines anyway because everyone dresses similarly, except the women generally wear headscarves but then again some of the Christian women do too, to protect themselves from the sun.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 19 10.48pm

Originally posted by Park Road

Ah Trump!
The amount of times you mention him could also be known as chirping.

Trump's impact on energising those who hold his type of views is a very unfortunate part of today's political scene. When detected it needs to be identified. I trust that it will fade away just as quickly as it arose. There are some straws in the wind to that effect already.

Supposed lack not knowledge and the constant need to explain yourself is a trait expected of you.

I only ever explain when people either misrepresent or misunderstand me. False accusations demand a rebuttal in the age of Trump.

Look! Be a man and Just fess up that you didn't know about Friday prayers.

I think you need to go right back to the original remark which had nothing whatsoever to do with prayers, on a Friday or any other day of the week. It was a simple remark that the place that is known locally as "the Mosque", but which turns out to actually be a community centre, seemed busy on a Saturday. My memory might be faulty, or it might have been a Saturday for non prayer reasons, I don't know and nor do you. If anyone asked me which is the Muslim day of prayer then, after some thought, I could have told you. Just as I know Sunday is for Christians and Saturday for Jews. It's not something I think, or care, about and your obsession in trying to score points over a non event is making you look very silly.

Someone pulled you up on it and your response was "Probably" most people would have responded "oh yes of course I forgot" or something on those lines fact! need I say more? Knowing you I'd say yes.

No-body "pulled me up"! Some people attempted to score cheap points and I refused to let them, by stating the facts as I recalled them.

You don't know me. You just make false assumptions based on your own prejudices.


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 30 Apr 19 10.48pm

You are factually correct in what you say but I am clearly suggesting that the current situation should be changed.

The legal status of people obviously has no bearing on perceptions and vice versa.

 

Park Road Flag 30 Apr 19 11.00pm

You don't know me. You just make false assumptions based on your own prejudices.

Classic guilt response Wisbech... thanks for the fun I'll let you get on with your dribble now...I'm done with you now...
Your denials won't stop , but I will..

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Apr 19 11.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You are factually correct in what you say but I am clearly suggesting that the current situation should be changed.

I don't though think that the changes you suggest are legally possible. I think the only way to handle this is by ourselves, internally and that the only way to do that is to change people's minds and behaviour, over time and through education.

The legal status of people obviously has no bearing on perceptions and vice versa.

On that we agree. I would go further and say that is probably as important an issue as finding and punishing the criminals. Which is why we need to act sensitively and not allow political capital to be made out of this. It's too important.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 May 19 8.05am

Meanwhile back on topic. It has been said that May and Corbyn can't agree on anything but I don't think that's true. They are both fans of the same sweet, Fudge.

It sounds like May is kicking the can down the road until after Thursday's humiliating council elections when she will then cave in to Labour's demands.

It's incredible that the overwhelming majority of Tory members want her gone but rather than listen to them she is prepared to side with the opposition.

The World Turned Upside Down.*

*Little joke for our American cousins.

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 01 May 19 9.13am

Originally posted by Badger11

Meanwhile back on topic. It has been said that May and Corbyn can't agree on anything but I don't think that's true. They are both fans of the same sweet, Fudge.

It sounds like May is kicking the can down the road until after Thursday's humiliating council elections when she will then cave in to Labour's demands.

It's incredible that the overwhelming majority of Tory members want her gone but rather than listen to them she is prepared to side with the opposition.

The World Turned Upside Down.*

*Little joke for our American cousins.

There's no point ousting May, if you sent in someone like Boris it would just make things worse

When you say side with the opposition you mean reach a compromise that can get through Parliament?

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 May 19 9.33am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

There's no point ousting May, if you sent in someone like Boris it would just make things worse

When you say side with the opposition you mean reach a compromise that can get through Parliament?

Labour's solution is not Brexit so if May agrees to that most Tory voters will see it as a betrayal.

I would get rid of May put in a proper Tory and hold a "Back me or sack me" general election. If they won we would leave immediately under WTO rules and then try and negotiate with the EU.

 


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DANGERCLOSE Flag London 01 May 19 9.39am

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 01 May 19 9.48am

I think she’s right. We need to keep flooding the country with cheap casual workers. More and more of them I say so the more fortunate from the desirable areas to live in can get the benefits. What are we thinking?

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 May 19 9.51am

The labour 'establishment', the NEC are not quite as bad as the tories, but you wouldn't want to be ruled by their dead authoritarian hand.

Their duplicity is legendary, Blair did well to sideline them and appeal to the public and win 3 elections.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 01 May 19 10.03am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol


There's no point ousting May, if you sent in someone like Boris it would just make things worse

Worse for who?

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 May 19 10.06am

I would laugh but she is serious.

Firstly she says that "they" (I presume she means EU citizens) will be sent back. Really is she for real even the most hard line Brexiteer politicians have never said that. Then we get to what she is really worried about who will serve her coffee in Prets.

I can only assume she is an undercover agent for Brexiteers I can't believe any Remainer is that stupid.

But if she is really that worried about her coffee she shouldn't be in a very short time the workers will be replaced by self service machines.

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 01 May 19 10.29am

Originally posted by Badger11

I can't believe any Remainer is that stupid.

Having been following this thread for many months how can you possibly say that knowing that it's not true

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 May 19 10.41am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Having been following this thread for many months how can you possibly say that knowing that it's not true

Just trying to be polite to my fellow hollers.

 


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