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Pussay Patrol Flag 01 May 19 10.47am

Originally posted by Badger11

I would laugh but she is serious.

Firstly she says that "they" (I presume she means EU citizens) will be sent back. Really is she for real even the most hard line Brexiteer politicians have never said that. Then we get to what she is really worried about who will serve her coffee in Prets.

I can only assume she is an undercover agent for Brexiteers I can't believe any Remainer is that stupid.

But if she is really that worried about her coffee she shouldn't be in a very short time the workers will be replaced by self service machines.

Well the clip is cut short for some sort of comedy but she was using it as an example, it's a good example because prets are everywhere and part of their success story is their staff who are usually from all over Europe. It's a great British business that would never had its success without the immediate availability of staff&#65292; where Eu freedom of movement is a major benefit and how brexit will stutter and hinder our economy. Instead of understanding the message we just get the usual sneering narrow minded remarks from the leave side

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 01 May 19 10.57am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Well the clip is cut short for some sort of comedy but she was using it as an example, it's a good example because prets are everywhere and part of their success story is their staff who are usually from all over Europe. It's a great British business that would never had its success without the immediate availability of staff&#65292; where Eu freedom of movement is a major benefit and how brexit will stutter and hinder our economy. Instead of understanding the message we just get the usual sneering narrow minded remarks from the leave side

Doesn’t seem that long since those on the left were all about sticking up for the workers; now it’s about lauding corporations for paying minimum wage. As Badger says it’s moot anyway because they’ll all be replaced by machines very soon.

 

Pussay Patrol Flag 01 May 19 11.08am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Doesn’t seem that long since those on the left were all about sticking up for the workers; now it’s about lauding corporations for paying minimum wage. As Badger says it’s moot anyway because they’ll all be replaced by machines very soon.

Is sacking people and replacing with machines taking back control?

Just my opinion but shutting down food and drink establishments and replacing them with a vending machine doesn't sound like progress to me

 


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W12 01 May 19 11.11am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Well the clip is cut short for some sort of comedy but she was using it as an example, it's a good example because prets are everywhere and part of their success story is their staff who are usually from all over Europe. It's a great British business that would never had its success without the immediate availability of staff&#65292; where Eu freedom of movement is a major benefit and how brexit will stutter and hinder our economy. Instead of understanding the message we just get the usual sneering narrow minded remarks from the leave side

And the added bonus that everyone gets to eat the same breakfast every morning in perpetuity.

Not particularly diverse but how very socialist.

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 01 May 19 11.17am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Is sacking people and replacing with machines taking back control?

Just my opinion but shutting down food and drink establishments and replacing them with a vending machine doesn't sound like progress to me

But you’re assuming progress is mutually beneficial. If the company can maximise profits they’ll automate whatever and whenever they can. It’s already happened at Smiths checkouts and supermarkets all have self service tills.
There are robots in Japan which can easily cope with anything a waiter has to do and there’s no need to tip them either. If pubs still exist in 30 years there won’t be anyone working in them.
Driverless trains and cars are already here.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 01 May 19 11.19am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

prets are everywhere and part of their success story is their staff who are usually from all over Europe. It's a great British business that would never had its success without the immediate availability of staff&#65292; where Eu freedom of movement is a major benefit and how brexit will stutter and hinder our economy.

There are still 1.3m unemployed in the UK so perhaps we could wipe out unemployment completely once the low wage workers from Eastern Europe stop coming over

 

Stirlingsays Flag 01 May 19 11.31am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Is sacking people and replacing with machines taking back control?

Just my opinion but shutting down food and drink establishments and replacing them with a vending machine doesn't sound like progress to me

Sure, but that's a luddite argument.

I'm not saying that the luddites didn't have a point however, I don't see how it can work. If your competitor either here or overseas uses more cost effective technology than yourself then it simply comes down to time.

Humans will be a diminishing part of the process until they aren't required for the customer's experience.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 May 2019 11.32am)

 


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Pussay Patrol Flag 01 May 19 11.35am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

There are still 1.3m unemployed in the UK so perhaps we could wipe out unemployment completely once the low wage workers from Eastern Europe stop coming over

It doesn't quite work like that and I think you know that. What's so bad about it anyway? I've always found pret a pleasurable experience, mainly because of the staff, never have I thought I wished they all went home and Kevin from down the road served my coffee instead. ( But I can imagine some people think like that)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 May 19 11.35am

Originally posted by Badger11

Labour's solution is not Brexit so if May agrees to that most Tory voters will see it as a betrayal.

I would get rid of May put in a proper Tory and hold a "Back me or sack me" general election. If they won we would leave immediately under WTO rules and then try and negotiate with the EU.

But if they lost, which seems to me very likely............. I suspect we would end up with an even more divided Parliament than we have now. Who-ever became the biggest party would again be forced into coalition or making "arrangements" with others. As that could well be Labour do you really want to risk that?

Conservative activists are not representative of the country at large. They are just representative of a particular viewpoint which you probably share. Mrs May, and the Tory hierarchy, have no choice other than to be mindful of that, at least until Brexit is done, one way or the other. After that they can do what they like, but the evidence from other countries, Spain being the most recent example, is that if the centre right governing party swings right, to try to stop the advance of an emerging further right party, they get slaughtered by the electorate.

 


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Maine Eagle Flag USA 01 May 19 12.38pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

There are still 1.3m unemployed in the UK so perhaps we could wipe out unemployment completely once the low wage workers from Eastern Europe stop coming over

Similar argument that some make against Mexicans here.

Problem is now the cat is out of the bag.

If you take all the Mexicans including illegals out of the states then the farming and construction industries would be seriously affected, especially in the south. It’s simply not true that there is a ready and eager American sitting there and waiting for that fruit picking, laboring, cleaning etc gig every time.

Is it really the case in England?

Some percentage of any society will be habitually unemployed.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 01 May 19 12.55pm

When you give over power to corporates and business, you lose the national integrity of your nation because it only comes down to profit. Outside of most of EU Europe, in some rich Asian countries for example they have rules that govern how these businesses can operate to stop that....for example who can own and run what.

The western neo liberals don't care because ultimately they are nihilists who only concern themselves with their personal living standards and bank balance.

The far left are anti nation anyway believing in global governance and utopias that don't correspond to the tribalism inherent within human nature.....as they think human nature is malleable.

There's no conspiracy but unfortunately all three of these groups find themselves traveling on the same road out of shared interest.

When the destination of their travel results is a 's***e sandwich' I'm not sure that the genuine differences between them even matter that much.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 May 2019 1.03pm)

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 May 19 1.09pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sure, but that's a luddite argument.

I'm not saying that the luddites didn't have a point however, I don't see how it can work. If your competitor either here or overseas uses more cost effective technology than yourself then it simply comes down to time.

Humans will be a diminishing part of the process until they aren't required for the customer's experience.

Edited by Stirlingsays (01 May 2019 11.32am)

Exactly I am not arguing for machines replacing people just pointing out it will happen in those business's driven by low cost. If you want the human touch I expect that eventually they will charge you for that.

In McDonalds Lewisham you pretty much have to order your burger via a touch screen. Weatherspoons are trialling a self service beer dispenser etc.

A sophisticated self service coffee machine that can deliver your personalised choice should not be too far away.

And then what do you do with all the low skilled people?

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 01 May 19 1.16pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Exactly I am not arguing for machines replacing people just pointing out it will happen in those business's driven by low cost. If you want the human touch I expect that eventually they will charge you for that.

In McDonalds Lewisham you pretty much have to order your burger via a touch screen. Weatherspoons are trialling a self service beer dispenser etc.

A sophisticated self service coffee machine that can deliver your personalised choice should not be too far away.

And then what do you do with all the low skilled people?

In terms of foreigners you don't easily let low skill into your country because you are creating huge problems down the line once AI automation takes these jobs and even many skilled ones......So essentially we are long since fecked.

Japan avoided this problem by only allowing 'guest workers' on time limits and over stay foreigners can't hide very well in Japan because the neo liberals and corporates hadn't already filled Japan with foreigners to hide amongst.

But of course.....look at the people who run this country....The decisions are all short term and expedient in nature.


Edited by Stirlingsays (01 May 2019 1.27pm)

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 01 May 19 2.48pm

Originally posted by Badger11

And then what do you do with all the low skilled people?

Continue sending them over to Holland

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 01 May 19 3.21pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Continue sending them over to Holland

Worked with Steve McLaren too.

 

cpfc_chap Flag koh samui 01 May 19 3.37pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Continue sending them over to Holland

To fill up there many vending machines in there food outlets!

 

Pussay Patrol Flag 01 May 19 4.29pm

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

To fill up there many vending machines in there food outlets!

Vending machines will be a UK phenomenon in the post brexit utopia. Perhaps I should add it to the list?

Blue Passport
Vending machines

Anything I've missed?

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 01 May 19 5.03pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Vending machines will be a UK phenomenon in the post brexit utopia. Perhaps I should add it to the list?

Blue Passport
Vending machines

Anything I've missed?

Lots of people writhing in misery for decades because we’ve left?

 

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