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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 27 Jun 16 3.12pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Again you post opinion without backing it up.
I'll repeat again that what he stands for resonates with people of all political hues. Rail renationalisation, holding tax dodgers to account, investing in industry and housing to stimulate growth etc etc.
Whatever he does he is on a hiding to nothing in the press. The BBC are in trouble again today for misreporting what Tom Watson had actually done before taking the report down.
Thing is, whoever is in charge of Labour is on a hiding to nothing unless they offer watered down Tory policies. That isn't opposition, in fact it's the opposite.
Do what evidence, other than suppositions and pressure BS do you have to back up your claim.

If he wins a leadership contest, that should give him the kind of authority to kick the Blairites out to the back benches.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Jun 16 3.29pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Again you post opinion without backing it up.
I'll repeat again that what he stands for resonates with people of all political hues. Rail renationalisation, holding tax dodgers to account, investing in industry and housing to stimulate growth etc etc.
Whatever he does he is on a hiding to nothing in the press. The BBC are in trouble again today for misreporting what Tom Watson had actually done before taking the report down.
Thing is, whoever is in charge of Labour is on a hiding to nothing unless they offer watered down Tory policies. That isn't opposition, in fact it's the opposite.
Do what evidence, other than suppositions and pressure BS do you have to back up your claim.

Again you use the age old tactic of asking for back up where you know none can be reasonably provided.
I have a personal opinion and unlike you I don't get it from a useful handbook of what to think and spurious statistics.

The media hammer Corbyn because he is a man who belongs in another age.

What you just listed as his agenda could be attributed to me or loads of others. That is not what scares voters. What does is his attitude toward unions,defense,The Falklands etc. The wise see through his nicely airbrushed populist policies and see him for what he really is.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jun 2016 3.29pm)

 

Sportyteacher Flag London 27 Jun 16 5.09pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But he did cry real tears for the Hillsborough victims.

Whilst Andy had his bad past with Stafford hospital whilst Health Secretary, he has been credited as being a key political instigator for Hillsborough inquest verdict when his predecessors and contemporaries chose not to intervene. New found respect for Burnham as a result!

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Jun 16 5.12pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Whilst Andy had his bad past with Stafford hospital whilst Health Secretary, he has been credited as being a key political instigator for Hillsborough inquest verdict when his predecessors and contemporaries chose not to intervene. New found respect for Burnham as a result!

Sorry, I wouldn't trust that funny eyebrowed t*** as far as I could kick him.

 

Mr Fenandes Flag 27 Jun 16 5.18pm

I find it really sad people are jumping for joy over this situation. He's actually got policies and given people a choice. A politician with clear policies is a real rarity these days.

And I wonder if the only reason he's "not electable" or "not a great leader" is because the media have been going on about it since day one. Over, and over, and over and over and over.

Whatever you think of him, he's fighting for the little man. If you don't agree, fair enough, but those who HATE him come across as completely brainwashed.

I'd just like to see someone actually critiqué his policies instead of just repeat the same old boring rhetoric. And accept he is "wrong but coming from an honest place" if you're not a fan, because you can't question the mans integrity.

On a side note, Hilary Benn is a proper flannel

Edited by Mr Fenandes (27 Jun 2016 5.19pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Jun 16 5.26pm

Originally posted by Mr Fenandes

I find it really sad people are jumping for joy over this situation. He's actually got policies and given people a choice. A politician with clear policies is a real rarity these days.

And I wonder if the only reason he's "not electable" or "not a great leader" is because the media have been going on about it since day one. Over, and over, and over and over and over.

Whatever you think of him, he's fighting for the little man. If you don't agree, fair enough, but those who HATE him come across as completely brainwashed.

I'd just like to see someone actually critiqué his policies instead of just repeat the same old boring rhetoric. And accept he is "wrong but coming from an honest place" if you're not a fan, because you can't question the mans integrity.

On a side note, Hilary Benn is a proper flannel

Edited by Mr Fenandes (27 Jun 2016 5.19pm)

OK.

He wants to hand back the Falklands and still goes on CND marches.

That's all I need to know.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 6.15pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Again you use the age old tactic of asking for back up where you know none can be reasonably provided.
I have a personal opinion and unlike you I don't get it from a useful handbook of what to think and spurious statistics.

The media hammer Corbyn because he is a man who belongs in another age.

What you just listed as his agenda could be attributed to me or loads of others. That is not what scares voters. What does is his attitude toward unions,defense,The Falklands etc. The wise see through his nicely airbrushed populist policies and see him for what he really is.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (27 Jun 2016 3.29pm)

That sort of trite insults your own intelligence Mr the Ganger. I expect better.
What spurious figures do which you refer? A 7% swing from the Tories in Tooting, a labour Mayoral victory, the highest % of remain voters in all parties? Among the lowest amount of expenses claimed in his time in parliament?

He stood against the Iraq war which was mirrored by the million plus who marched against the war in London and more elsewhere. It could be argued he was right. Look at the can of worms opened.

I fear his days as leader may be numbered but hope he stands his ground,he did seem very defiant when having a dig at those sat behind him in the Commons today (Cameron made me chuckle with his comment to the new Tooting mp). Those behind the coup have been waiting for a moment to carry one out. Shameful. I wonder how Blairite members of progress will react to the Chilcot enquiry in a couple of weeks.

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Edited by nickgusset (27 Jun 2016 6.29pm)

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 6.20pm

Originally posted by Mr Fenandes

I find it really sad people are jumping for joy over this situation. He's actually got policies and given people a choice. A politician with clear policies is a real rarity these days.

And I wonder if the only reason he's "not electable" or "not a great leader" is because the media have been going on about it since day one. Over, and over, and over and over and over.

Whatever you think of him, he's fighting for the little man. If you don't agree, fair enough, but those who HATE him come across as completely brainwashed.

I'd just like to see someone actually critiqué his policies instead of just repeat the same old boring rhetoric. And accept he is "wrong but coming from an honest place" if you're not a fan, because you can't question the mans integrity.

On a side note, Hilary Benn is a proper flannel

Edited by Mr Fenandes (27 Jun 2016 5.19pm)

Well said. Echoes my views exactly. I feel Labour will lose more support than they gain if they get rid.

During an election campaign he will get a chance to get his policies across rather than being ignored by the media when he was travelling the length of the country during the referendum campaign just so they could say he was ineffectual. Their reporting deliberately kept Corbyn's campaigning low key IMHO.

Plenty of Corbyn supporters gathering in Parliament square at the moment. But like many marches and demos will be zero coverage!

Edited by nickgusset (27 Jun 2016 6.27pm)

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 6.33pm

Good news for all those people that say politicians don't have experience of the real world.
Here's a few of the new shadow cabinet:

Clive Lewis, the new shadow defence secretary, is an Afghan War veteran.

The shadow Northern Ireland secretary, David Anderson, was a coal miner for 25 years.

The shadow education secretary, Pat Glass, worked in education for people with special needs.

Kate Osamor, shadow international development secretary, worked in a GP practice.

Shadow environment, food and rural affairs secretary Rachel Maskell worked in the NHS for 20 years.

Rebecca Long-Bailey, shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, worked as a solicitor.

And Andy McDonald, shadow transport secretary, worked as a lawyer.

Hardly the career politicians that are resigning...

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 27 Jun 16 6.50pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Good news for all those people that say politicians don't have experience of the real world.
Here's a few of the new shadow cabinet:

Clive Lewis, the new shadow defence secretary, is an Afghan War veteran.

The shadow Northern Ireland secretary, David Anderson, was a coal miner for 25 years.

The shadow education secretary, Pat Glass, worked in education for people with special needs.

Kate Osamor, shadow international development secretary, worked in a GP practice.

Shadow environment, food and rural affairs secretary Rachel Maskell worked in the NHS for 20 years.

Rebecca Long-Bailey, shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, worked as a solicitor.

And Andy McDonald, shadow transport secretary, worked as a lawyer.

Hardly the career politicians that are resigning...

But more importantly, do they wear sharp suits and and up to date ties and appeal to housewives in marginal constituencies?

 


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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 27 Jun 16 7.36pm

Had to laugh at this:

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jun 16 7.43pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Good news for all those people that say politicians don't have experience of the real world.
Here's a few of the new shadow cabinet:

Clive Lewis, the new shadow defence secretary, is an Afghan War veteran.

The shadow Northern Ireland secretary, David Anderson, was a coal miner for 25 years.

The shadow education secretary, Pat Glass, worked in education for people with special needs.

Kate Osamor, shadow international development secretary, worked in a GP practice.

Shadow environment, food and rural affairs secretary Rachel Maskell worked in the NHS for 20 years.

Rebecca Long-Bailey, shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, worked as a solicitor.

And Andy McDonald, shadow transport secretary, worked as a lawyer.

Hardly the career politicians that are resigning...

All very well, but how long will these people be part of the 'Shadow Cabinet' ?
IF Corbyn "Falls on his sword" then a new leader will have different ideas.
All those who resigned could well be back !

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 7.49pm

Originally posted by susmik

Had to laugh at this:

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To be fair, it was his best one liner in his whole tenure.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Jun 16 7.51pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

That sort of trite insults your own intelligence Mr the Ganger. I expect better.
What spurious figures do which you refer? A 7% swing from the Tories in Tooting, a labour Mayoral victory, the highest % of remain voters in all parties? Among the lowest amount of expenses claimed in his time in parliament?

He stood against the Iraq war which was mirrored by the million plus who marched against the war in London and more elsewhere. It could be argued he was right. Look at the can of worms opened.

I fear his days as leader may be numbered but hope he stands his ground,he did seem very defiant when having a dig at those sat behind him in the Commons today (Cameron made me chuckle with his comment to the new Tooting mp). Those behind the coup have been waiting for a moment to carry one out. Shameful. I wonder how Blairite members of progress will react to the Chilcot enquiry in a couple of weeks.

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Dennis Skinner pats Corbyns back and flicks a v sign at the traitors.

Edited by nickgusset (27 Jun 2016 6.29pm)

Look Mr Gussett, it is very simple. A large chunk of the parliamentary party know that Corbyn can't become PM. He is clinging on because of his grass roots support but he must put the future of his party above his own ambitions or his rigid adherence to ideology.

I know you believe in him but you are kidding yorself.

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 27 Jun 16 7.52pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

To be fair, it was his best one liner in his whole tenure.


Hence the reason for me having a laugh at it Nick!

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 27 Jun 16 7.52pm

Originally posted by Willo

All very well, but how long will these people be part of the 'Shadow Cabinet' ?
IF Corbyn "Falls on his sword" then a new leader will have different ideas.
All those who resigned could well be back !

That's what they're banking on.

First time in my life I've witnessed genuine political instability in the UK.

We're witnessing history, fellas.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Jun 16 7.53pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

To be fair, it was his best one liner in his whole tenure.

They will miss him at PQT. He is one of the best in that arena.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 8.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Look Mr Gussett, it is very simple. A large chunk of the parliamentary party know that Corbyn can't become PM. He is clinging on because of his grass roots support but he must put the future of his party above his own ambitions or his rigid adherence to ideology.

I know you believe in him but you are kidding yorself.

I don't think I am kidding myself.


There's nothing wrong with believing that Jeremy Corbyn isn't the right man to lead the Labour Party. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But there is definitely something wrong with not even letting the common narrative that "David Cameron and the Tories are at fault for Brexit" set, before trying to challenge Corbyn's leadership for their own self-serving purposes and establishing a widely repeated counter-narrative of "Blame Labour, blame Corbyn".

By launching their opportunistic self-serving coup now, the Blairites have helped the Tories climb out of a hole of their own digging, and voluntarily shoved the Labour Party down there in their place. These people are venal self-serving fools, who clearly consider their own ideological vendetta against Jeremy Corbyn to be far more important than the best interests of the Labour Party, or doing the job they're supposed to: Opposing the Tories.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Jun 16 10.02pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I don't think I am kidding myself.


There's nothing wrong with believing that Jeremy Corbyn isn't the right man to lead the Labour Party. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But there is definitely something wrong with not even letting the common narrative that "David Cameron and the Tories are at fault for Brexit" set, before trying to challenge Corbyn's leadership for their own self-serving purposes and establishing a widely repeated counter-narrative of "Blame Labour, blame Corbyn".

By launching their opportunistic self-serving coup now, the Blairites have helped the Tories climb out of a hole of their own digging, and voluntarily shoved the Labour Party down there in their place. These people are venal self-serving fools, who clearly consider their own ideological vendetta against Jeremy Corbyn to be far more important than the best interests of the Labour Party, or doing the job they're supposed to: Opposing the Tories.

And Corbyn will still never be PM. Which part of that don't you get?

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 16 10.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And Corbyn will still never be PM. Which part of that don't you get?

What about the timing of the coup.

 

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