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Originally posted by DanH
Try listening to some of the people taking a stand where this racism is. Tell me. At what point do you think Black people will be content? How far back in people's phone history will we have to search? How many statuses will we pull down? How much positive discrimination will they need before they are content? Wake up. This never ends.
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Originally posted by DanH
Congratulations. Not everyone is as mentally strong as you. Not everyone can just brush it off and let it make them stronger. Some people get depression. Some people get suicidal. Some people take their own lives. Imagine having to deal with crap constantly just because of the colour of your skin. You haven’t had to deal with that have you? just ask a white person from Johannesburg. How often are they getting abused and murdered ? oh but sorry Dan, wrong square in your box-ticking chart.
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
My son was racially abused at school when he was young. In the end I put him to a private school which cost me 30k pa. That’s awful and really sad you had you do that. The school should have expelled the abusers. I’ve spent 34 years of my life in this country and not received racial abuse once. My best mate who was born here but dad was from the Caribbean has experienced it more times than he can count. We’ve been close mates since 11 and nearly always lived in the same place until I moved out of London. The only difference between me and him is skin colour. Born in the same hospital. Went to the same schools. Into the same pastimes. Yet he has had to put up with it and I haven’t.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Tell me. At what point do you think Black people will be content? How far back in people's phone history will we have to search? How many statuses will we pull down? How much positive discrimination will they need before they are content? Wake up. This never ends. At least you know you hold the power at the moment as a white man.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Tell me. At what point do you think Black people will be content? How far back in people's phone history will we have to search? How many statuses will we pull down? How much positive discrimination will they need before they are content? Wake up. This never ends.
His United Nations of football anoraks didnt happen in one of the UK's no-go areas, we can safely assume.
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Originally posted by DanH
So a person calling someone a c*nt for racially abusing someone is just as bad as the person who gave the racial abuse? The abuse is abuse. If you think the abuse is warranted then that's your perspective. It depends upon the perspective. You come at this stuff like it's a religion of moral absolutism....black and white as it were. You want to frame things in certainties.....sure, but what if people don't agree with you on those certainties? Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2021 12.26am)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The abuse is abuse. If you think the abuse is warranted then that's your perspective. It depends upon the perspective. You come at this stuff like it's a religion of moral absolutism....black and white as it were. Have you ever heard of relativity? The reality is usually more grey. So a person leaves a load of monkey and banana emojis after Marcus Rashford’s Instagram post. And then someone replies to that calling the person who left that post a racist c*nt. Both as bad as each other are they?
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Originally posted by DanH
At least you know you hold the power at the moment as a white man. I live in a country that is 80% White. Right now, White people are being made to feel like a minority despite this.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The abuse is abuse. If you think the abuse is warranted then that's your perspective. It depends upon the perspective. You come at this stuff like it's a religion of moral absolutism....black and white as it were. You want to frame things in certainties.....sure, but what if people don't agree with you on those certainties? Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2021 12.26am) heaven forbid !
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I live in a country that is 80% White. Right now, White people are being made to feel like a minority despite this. This is where the fear kicks in. You think it won’t stop until us white people are getting chased out of our houses. Whereas really most minorities just want to be treated equally and not have to deal with mindless abuse while they’re trying to go about their daily business.
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Originally posted by DanH
So a person leaves a load of monkey and banana emojis after Marcus Rashford’s Instagram post. And then someone replies to that calling the person who left that post a racist c*nt. Both as bad as each other are they?
You didn't read my reply properly. I think you can take a moral position on the situation but the abuse is still abuse. Like I said, you want to frame the world in moral absolutes, whereas that only works if everyone agrees. For example, I think most legal abortion is disgusting.....but you probably don't. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2021 12.33am)
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Originally posted by DanH
So a person leaves a load of monkey and banana emojis after Marcus Rashford’s Instagram post. And then someone replies to that calling the person who left that post a racist c*nt. Both as bad as each other are they?
I've never really understood why people get so worked up about monkey pictures. It is sub school playground level.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You didn't read my reply properly. I think you can take a moral position on the situation but the abuse is still abuse. Like I said, you want to frame the world in moral absolutes, whereas that only works if everyone agrees. Some abuse is definitely warranted if it’s calling out sh*tty behaviour (and yes that definition is subjective but surely we all agree leaving monkey and banana emojis is). I think all that’s changed now is that people aren’t so afraid to call out their abuser. Not just on racial issues, but on things like creepy sexual behaviour, being homophobic and the like. People just used to suffer in silence and the abuser just continued as they like, unchallenged, and often thinking they were doing no wrong because of it. As a society I think we’ve got a lot better at standing up for ourselves in the last few years and not letting the bully boys win.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I've never really understood why people get so worked up about monkey pictures. It is sub school playground level. If you don’t get why people are there’s no point having this conversation with you. Listen to people that are on the receiving end and see what they say. Not that it will ever happen, people like you never listen. You think you know it all already.
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
hey Dan, would you call me a racist if i wrote some unkind words about Marlon King......he has a litany of criminality, convictions and prison spells on his cv.
or do my words offend you ? the reason being, the fear of being called a racist allowed the pakistani rape gangs run amok. People like yourself were part of the problem. Lefty do-gooders without a spine. All hypocrisy and high talk. Marlon King has a shopping list of misdemeanours to call him a c*nt for. You don’t need to concern yourself with his skin colour. If you call him a c*nt for all the wrong’un behaviour of course that’s not racist. If you can him a c*nt because he’s black that is racist. This really isn’t that difficult is it? Edited by DanH (09 Jun 2021 12.43am)
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Originally posted by DanH
Some abuse is definitely warranted if it’s calling out sh*tty behaviour (and yes that definition is subjective but surely we all agree leaving monkey and banana emojis is). I think all that’s changed now is that people aren’t so afraid to call out their abuser. Not just on racial issues, but on things like creepy sexual behaviour, being homophobic and the like. People just used to suffer in silence and the abuser just continued as they like, unchallenged, and often thinking they were doing no wrong because of it. As a society I think we’ve got a lot better at standing up for ourselves in the last few years and not letting the bully boys win.
You have grown up being taught the narrative. If you had been born in a different era I'm pretty sure you'd be talking that narrative as well. You'd have made a good Vicar's son. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2021 12.45am)
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Originally posted by DanH
Marlon King has a shopping list of misdemeanours to call him a c*nt for. You don’t need to concern yourself with his skin colour. yes but when i call vicious Marlon a c..nt (which he is), am i being prejudiced ? or will Marlon accuse me of being so ? do i have more license to call Joey Barton a violent c...nt ?
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Originally posted by DanH
This is where the fear kicks in. You think it won’t stop until us white people are getting chased out of our houses. Whereas really most minorities just want to be treated equally and not have to deal with mindless abuse while they’re trying to go about their daily business. Let me tell you dear boy that people only want equality until that is achieved, and then they want more. Humans don't settle for equality.
Right now, Black people are equal by law. They have exactly the opportunities you would expect when you make up 4% of the population. Why they think that they should be entitled to get managerial jobs in football beyond 4%, for example, is beyond me. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Jun 2021 12.44am)
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
yes but when i call vicious Marlon a c..nt (which he is), am i being prejudiced ? or will Marlon accuse me of being so ? do i have more license to call Joey Barton a violent c...nt ? They’ve both got previous and you’re not doing it based on skin colour so fire away. I think we’re getting somewhere here.
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