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dreamwaverider London 03 May 19 7.54am
Originally posted by dreamwaverider They won’t be able to agree what to vote on The current political system, the people running it, the politicians and their officers are all a bunch of underpaid incompetent fools. There are far to many of them and the system has seized up. Get shot of the lot of them, they have already destroyed the fabric of the country now they are going for broke by continuing with their broken ways in a bid to break the country. Either radically overhaul it and them or drop this whole Brexit sharada and leave our international arrangements as they are and get back on the case of home affairs before we implode.

dreamwaverider

London 03 May 19 7.54am

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

They won’t be able to agree what to vote on

The current political system, the people running it, the politicians and their officers are all a bunch of underpaid incompetent fools. There are far to many of them and the system has seized up. Get shot of the lot of them, they have already destroyed the fabric of the country now they are going for broke by continuing with their broken ways in a bid to break the country.
Either radically overhaul it and them or drop this whole Brexit sharada and leave our international arrangements as they are and get back on the case of home affairs before we implode.

Badger11 Beckenham 03 May 19 7.54am
Well they are still counting the votes and it's no surprise that the Tories are getting a kicking. The big surprise is how badly Labour have done so far down 81 seats even if they can turn that around with the remaining votes it's still a poor showing. UKIP has also taken a kicking and neither Change UK or The Brexit Party have campaigned. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 May 19 7.54am

Well they are still counting the votes and it's no surprise that the Tories are getting a kicking.

The big surprise is how badly Labour have done so far down 81 seats even if they can turn that around with the remaining votes it's still a poor showing.

UKIP has also taken a kicking and neither Change UK or The Brexit Party have campaigned.

One more point

Midlands Eagle 03 May 19 7.55am
Originally posted by Badger11 We had a binary vote and later we were told we didn't understand what we were voting for. Will introducing an additional option clarify that? How do you count the votes as you are splitting the Leave vote which isn't fair? If you add 1+3 what does that mean? We leave with Mrs May's deal or without a deal? How do they decide? Suppose the default is no deal, Remainers will argue that just because someone voted for Mrs May deal that should not be counted as a vote for No deal and they would have a point. I doubt the Electoral Commission will approve anything other than a binary vote as it will be Gina Miller law suits all around. And if a binary vote what are you voting for: Remain or May deal (but I want to leave without a deal) Leave with May deal or Leave No deal (But I want to Remain) Remain should not be an option as we've already had that vote. If there is a second referendum it should only have options on how to leave and if Remainers don't like it well f*** them

Midlands Eagle

03 May 19 7.55am

Originally posted by Badger11

We had a binary vote and later we were told we didn't understand what we were voting for. Will introducing an additional option clarify that?

How do you count the votes as you are splitting the Leave vote which isn't fair?

If you add 1+3 what does that mean? We leave with Mrs May's deal or without a deal? How do they decide? Suppose the default is no deal, Remainers will argue that just because someone voted for Mrs May deal that should not be counted as a vote for No deal and they would have a point.

I doubt the Electoral Commission will approve anything other than a binary vote as it will be Gina Miller law suits all around. And if a binary vote what are you voting for:

Remain or May deal (but I want to leave without a deal)

Leave with May deal or Leave No deal (But I want to Remain)

Remain should not be an option as we've already had that vote. If there is a second referendum it should only have options on how to leave and if Remainers don't like it well f*** them

Midlands Eagle 03 May 19 7.59am
Originally posted by Badger11 Well they are still counting the votes and it's no surprise that the Tories are getting a kicking. The big surprise is how badly Labour have done so far down 81 seats even if they can turn that around with the remaining votes it's still a poor showing. UKIP has also taken a kicking and neither Change UK or The Brexit Party have campaigned. I'm not surprised as I didn't vote for the first time ever in the hope that apathy would send a message to both Labour and Conservatives that we aren't happy with their performance and it isn't just the Government that has spent the last three years faffing about but Her Majesty's opposition have done exactly the same. If we have to take part in EU elections I will vote for the Brexit Party as another message to the Government to get on with it and get us out of Europe

Midlands Eagle

03 May 19 7.59am

Originally posted by Badger11

Well they are still counting the votes and it's no surprise that the Tories are getting a kicking.

The big surprise is how badly Labour have done so far down 81 seats even if they can turn that around with the remaining votes it's still a poor showing.

UKIP has also taken a kicking and neither Change UK or The Brexit Party have campaigned.

I'm not surprised as I didn't vote for the first time ever in the hope that apathy would send a message to both Labour and Conservatives that we aren't happy with their performance and it isn't just the Government that has spent the last three years faffing about but Her Majesty's opposition have done exactly the same.

If we have to take part in EU elections I will vote for the Brexit Party as another message to the Government to get on with it and get us out of Europe

Badger11 Beckenham 03 May 19 8.00am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Remain should not be an option as we've already had that vote. If there is a second referendum it should only have options on how to leave and if Remainers don't like it well f*** them I just updated my post as I misread yours, my bad. Whilst I agree with your sentiments I don't believe you should hold a referendum where a large number of voters don't have a choice and I suspect the Electoral Commission would reject it. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 May 19 8.00am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Remain should not be an option as we've already had that vote. If there is a second referendum it should only have options on how to leave and if Remainers don't like it well f*** them

I just updated my post as I misread yours, my bad.

Whilst I agree with your sentiments I don't believe you should hold a referendum where a large number of voters don't have a choice and I suspect the Electoral Commission would reject it.

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 03 May 19 8.03am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I'm not surprised as I didn't vote for the first time ever in the hope that apathy would send a message to both Labour and Conservatives that we aren't happy with their performance and it isn't just the Government that has spent the last three years faffing about but Her Majesty's opposition have done exactly the same. If we have to take part in EU elections I will vote for the Brexit Party as another message to the Government to get on with it and get us out of Europe Just waiting to see how my friend got on. She is an independent councillor in Somerset her council is run by independents. It seems that has been a rise in the number of independent candidates across the country local people concerned with not local issues rather than being controlled by the party machine. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 May 19 8.03am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

If we have to take part in EU elections I will vote for the Brexit Party as another message to the Government to get on with it and get us out of Europe

Just waiting to see how my friend got on. She is an independent councillor in Somerset her council is run by independents.

It seems that has been a rise in the number of independent candidates across the country local people concerned with not local issues rather than being controlled by the party machine.

One more point

Pussay Patrol 03 May 19 8.34am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 I spoke with an imigration officer and she said people coming to abuse the NHS is rife especially Americans. So you'd be in favour of privatising the NHS? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

03 May 19 8.34am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I spoke with an imigration officer and she said people coming to abuse the NHS is rife especially Americans.

So you'd be in favour of privatising the NHS?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

dannyboy1978 03 May 19 8.53am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol So you'd be in favour of privatising the NHS? I haven't thought hard about the best alternatives but I think people are blinkered to think it's being run in the best and most efficient way for the British people. Your the first person to moan about us not having access to EU health services if we leave so you should be the first to condom outside EU abuse of the NHS. Brexit came about because of lack of will to do anything about imigration,so don't be surprised when people have enough of the NHS being abused with their tax and ask for change Edited by dannyboy1978 (03 May 2019 8.58am)

dannyboy1978

03 May 19 8.53am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So you'd be in favour of privatising the NHS?

I haven't thought hard about the best alternatives but I think people are blinkered to think it's being run in the best and most efficient way for the British people.

Your the first person to moan about us not having access to EU health services if we leave so you should be the first to condom outside EU abuse of the NHS.

Brexit came about because of lack of will to do anything about imigration,so don't be surprised when people have enough of the NHS being abused with their tax and ask for change

Edited by dannyboy1978 (03 May 2019 8.58am)

Badger11 Beckenham 03 May 19 9.12am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 I haven't thought hard about the best alternatives but I think people are blinkered to think it's being run in the best and most efficient way for the British people. Your the first person to moan about us not having access to EU health services if we leave so you should be the first to condom outside EU abuse of the NHS. Brexit came about because of lack of will to do anything about imigration,so don't be surprised when people have enough of the NHS being abused with their tax and ask for change Edited by dannyboy1978 (03 May 2019 8.58am) Fair comment: I don't want to privatise the NHS although in quite a few Europeans countries that are socialist it is and people seem fine with that. There is an argument for changing how we fund it. It does seem unfair that many people who do not pay taxes have access to the NHS, currently that includes me. I don't think it is unreasonable that everyone pays a minium amount this would include taxes that people currently pay. In other words for most people no change but for some like myself we we have to pay an annual set fee. As our population grows older the number of people not paying towards the NHS is only going to increase, putting a burden on the working taxpayer. It wont be popular but sooner or later the politicians will recognise that it is a necessity. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 03 May 19 9.12am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I haven't thought hard about the best alternatives but I think people are blinkered to think it's being run in the best and most efficient way for the British people.

Your the first person to moan about us not having access to EU health services if we leave so you should be the first to condom outside EU abuse of the NHS.

Brexit came about because of lack of will to do anything about imigration,so don't be surprised when people have enough of the NHS being abused with their tax and ask for change

Edited by dannyboy1978 (03 May 2019 8.58am)

Fair comment:

I don't want to privatise the NHS although in quite a few Europeans countries that are socialist it is and people seem fine with that.

There is an argument for changing how we fund it. It does seem unfair that many people who do not pay taxes have access to the NHS, currently that includes me.

I don't think it is unreasonable that everyone pays a minium amount this would include taxes that people currently pay. In other words for most people no change but for some like myself we we have to pay an annual set fee.

As our population grows older the number of people not paying towards the NHS is only going to increase, putting a burden on the working taxpayer. It wont be popular but sooner or later the politicians will recognise that it is a necessity.

One more point

Pussay Patrol 03 May 19 9.25am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 I haven't thought hard about the best alternatives but I think people are blinkered to think it's being run in the best and most efficient way for the British people. Your the first person to moan about us not having access to EU health services if we leave so you should be the first to condom outside EU abuse of the NHS. Brexit came about because of lack of will to do anything about imigration,so don't be surprised when people have enough of the NHS being abused with their tax and ask for change Edited by dannyboy1978 (03 May 2019 8.58am) Another thing you want to lose to add to add to the list! Free healthcare? Nah, Chuck that in the bin. It's a hell of a lot of stuff you've traded in for brexit, all for a (French made) blue passport. Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

03 May 19 9.25am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I haven't thought hard about the best alternatives but I think people are blinkered to think it's being run in the best and most efficient way for the British people.

Your the first person to moan about us not having access to EU health services if we leave so you should be the first to condom outside EU abuse of the NHS.

Brexit came about because of lack of will to do anything about imigration,so don't be surprised when people have enough of the NHS being abused with their tax and ask for change

Edited by dannyboy1978 (03 May 2019 8.58am)

Another thing you want to lose to add to add to the list! Free healthcare? Nah, Chuck that in the bin. It's a hell of a lot of stuff you've traded in for brexit, all for a (French made) blue passport.

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

DANGERCLOSE London 03 May 19 9.25am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Remain should not be an option as we've already had that vote. If there is a second referendum it should only have options on how to leave and if Remainers don't like it well f*** them Agreed

DANGERCLOSE

London 03 May 19 9.25am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Remain should not be an option as we've already had that vote. If there is a second referendum it should only have options on how to leave and if Remainers don't like it well f*** them

Agreed

dannyboy1978 03 May 19 9.52am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Another thing you want to lose to add to add to the list! Free healthcare? Nah, Chuck that in the bin. It's a hell of a lot of stuff you've traded in for brexit, all for a (French made) blue passport. Who said I wanted to loose it, dont lie. You have totally missed the point. And where did you get free from, Magic money tree. ? Edited by dannyboy1978 (03 May 2019 9.54am)

dannyboy1978

03 May 19 9.52am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Who said I wanted to loose it, dont lie.

You have totally missed the point. And where did you get free from, Magic money tree. ?

Edited by dannyboy1978 (03 May 2019 9.54am)

Teddy Eagle 03 May 19 9.57am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Another thing you want to lose to add to add to the list! Free healthcare? Nah, Chuck that in the bin. It's a hell of a lot of stuff you've traded in for brexit, all for a (French made) blue passport. Free? Opticians, dentists & prescriptions all cost. The NHS manages to be “free” at a cost of £120bn a year.

Teddy Eagle

03 May 19 9.57am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Free? Opticians, dentists & prescriptions all cost. The NHS manages to be “free” at a cost of £120bn a year.

Pussay Patrol 03 May 19 10.31am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Free? Opticians, dentists & prescriptions all cost. The NHS manages to be “free” at a cost of £120bn a year. Aren't you in Scotland? Thought you got free prescriptions? Dentists and opticians are subsidised if your in a particular income bracket Yes, it costs, you pay tax and NI and you get that back. But you'd trade all that in because some people abuse it (0.3% of the budget when i checked). Don't we all lose then? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

03 May 19 10.31am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Free? Opticians, dentists & prescriptions all cost. The NHS manages to be “free” at a cost of £120bn a year.

Aren't you in Scotland? Thought you got free prescriptions? Dentists and opticians are subsidised if your in a particular income bracket

Yes, it costs, you pay tax and NI and you get that back. But you'd trade all that in because some people abuse it (0.3% of the budget when i checked). Don't we all lose then?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Midlands Eagle 03 May 19 10.52am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Yes, it costs, you pay tax and NI and you get that back. But you'd trade all that in because some people abuse it (0.3% of the budget when i checked). Don't we all lose then? Do you pay UK taxes and NIC then ?

Midlands Eagle

03 May 19 10.52am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Yes, it costs, you pay tax and NI and you get that back. But you'd trade all that in because some people abuse it (0.3% of the budget when i checked). Don't we all lose then?

Do you pay UK taxes and NIC then ?

Pussay Patrol 03 May 19 10.56am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Do you pay UK taxes and NIC then ? Yes Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

03 May 19 10.56am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Do you pay UK taxes and NIC then ?

Yes

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

W12 03 May 19 11.36am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Another thing you want to lose to add to add to the list! Free healthcare? Nah, Chuck that in the bin. It's a hell of a lot of stuff you've traded in for brexit, all for a (French made) blue passport. "Free" in what respect?

W12 03 May 19 11.36am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

"Free" in what respect?

Pussay Patrol 03 May 19 11.43am
Originally posted by W12 "Free" in what respect? Free at the point of use Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

03 May 19 11.43am

Originally posted by W12

"Free" in what respect?

Free at the point of use

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Hrolf The Ganger 03 May 19 11.58am
Originally posted by Badger11 Well they are still counting the votes and it's no surprise that the Tories are getting a kicking. The big surprise is how badly Labour have done so far down 81 seats even if they can turn that around with the remaining votes it's still a poor showing. UKIP has also taken a kicking and neither Change UK or The Brexit Party have campaigned. No surprise to me. It was predictable that a Labour Party with Corbyn, Abbott and the rest of the Muppet show will alienate traditional voters. The Labour party is now seen as the party of minority interests. It still has a hard core of white support from communists, teenagers and people who stiil hate Thatcher but it is sinking fast.

Hrolf The Ganger

03 May 19 11.58am

Originally posted by Badger11

Well they are still counting the votes and it's no surprise that the Tories are getting a kicking.

The big surprise is how badly Labour have done so far down 81 seats even if they can turn that around with the remaining votes it's still a poor showing.

UKIP has also taken a kicking and neither Change UK or The Brexit Party have campaigned.

No surprise to me.
It was predictable that a Labour Party with Corbyn, Abbott and the rest of the Muppet show will alienate traditional voters. The Labour party is now seen as the party of minority interests. It still has a hard core of white support from communists, teenagers and people who stiil hate Thatcher but it is sinking fast.

Pussay Patrol 03 May 19 12.00pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger No surprise to me. It was predictable that a Labour Party with Corbyn, Abbott and the rest of the Muppet show will alienate traditional voters. The Labour party is now seen as the party of minority interests. It still has a hard core of white support from communists, teenagers and people who stiil hate Thatcher but it is sinking fast. Biggest winners were lib dems, they are the most staunchest remain party, hmmm... Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

03 May 19 12.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Biggest winners were lib dems, they are the most staunchest remain party, hmmm...

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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