The Lib Dems have the advantage that those wishing to make a protest vote did not have the option of Change UK or The Brexit party. Green party has also done well for that reason.

As for Labour sitting on the fence hasn't worked and I think the next time Corbyn goes to Glastonbury they wont be singing "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" more like "You don't what you're doing".

One more point

In reality it's a subsidiary by which the wealthier pay for the poorer to gain access to healthcare they otherwise wouldn't have access to.

The better off can afford their own healthcare and simply don't need a single payer system. Yet they can't opt out.

I support it, but I don't paint it as something else.

One of the problems with the left is that they see how certain aspects of our society have already been socialised and they accept it as a given and just continually push for more.

The end result of socialism is communism. Socialism is simply a stepping stone as Marx suggested.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

What's fair about health tourism, do you think the poor should pay towards that?

What's fair about everone losing free healthcare over something that equates to 0.3% of the budget?

Looking forward to hearing the next set of things you're bringing to the table to give up. My money's on state pension

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Having taken that figure can you remember how much that % is pp.
Go back and find it then let us know will you.

When do we get a hold of the NHS and get our priorities right?

If you come back to Britain, which I bet you will, how content will you be that, at the age of 65-70 you have to wait years for a hip replacement, or no hip replacement at all, while the ‘free’ healthcare to those who’ve never or hardly contributed has been abused?

I might go and do my shopping this weekend without paying at the self service tills. Why not, I should eat like everyone else.

COYP

Ironically a lot and a lot i mean of foreigners have no qualms about settling their health bill if they visit a bospital or doctors whilst in the uk.they are generally greatful for the help and care they received.
The problem is there is no mechanism to actually take a payment.
A bit of blue sky thinking wouldnt go a miss on that particular issue.
At the moment the invoices are sent around the world to the users.
Who knows if they actually receive them.
Be interested if there were any figures on how much is or was paid.
Pp you dont do anything so thats your task.

It's comedy hour. Tories aren't delivering on Brexit so conservative voters make them pay, and Corbyn is walking a tightrope since he's pretty anti EU himself and so they turns off voters too.

Both parties deserve a good kicking if it actually helps get Brexit over the line. I wouldn't be averse to a total redefinition of UK politics really, and proportional representation to kickstart more choice and value to individuals votes. PR seems about as popular as a fart in a lift with many though so I can't see that happening.

It's funny, Watson and many in the Labour party like to portray attitudes that were commonplace in the UK when I was growing up as 'far right'.

Independence is 'far right'.....errr...no it isn't Watson it's independence. You can disagree with it but the real far right wouldn't give you that option matey.

Watson calls for successful Internet figures on the right to have their freedom of speech stopped.....so Watson is far more the authoritarian than Farage is from what I can see.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 May 2019 3.18pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Because the first one went so well.

Are you totally bonkers?

Worth repeating.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 May 2019 3.11pm)