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jeeagles 04 May 19 11.21am
Originally posted by Spiderman A LEADING cancer specialist believes one in every 20 patients he treated as a consultant at London’s Royal Marsden Hospital was a health tourist.Dr Meirion Thomas said the number of health tourists was “grossly underrated” and estimated the true cost of ineligible foreign patients using the NHS to be £2 billion a year. A voice from the inside for you PP. Just maybe official figures are underestimated but of course, you agree with official figures when they meet with your agenda The difficulty is how to measure health tourism. Statistics only measure people who aren't residents and sneak through the system. There are people, like my old neighbours, who moved from the UK from eastern Europe whilst the woman was pregnant. Had a baby, waited about a year, and left. In that time, they would have definitely not paid enough tax to cover the NHS costs of having a baby. In Germany there are rules about immigrants access to government services which can be applied within the existing EU framework. Which does show the government could do more to stop it without leaving the EU.

jeeagles

04 May 19 11.21am

Originally posted by Spiderman

A LEADING cancer specialist believes one in every 20 patients he treated as a consultant at London’s Royal Marsden Hospital was a health tourist.Dr Meirion Thomas said the number of health tourists was “grossly underrated” and estimated the true cost of ineligible foreign patients using the NHS to be £2 billion a year.

A voice from the inside for you PP. Just maybe official figures are underestimated but of course, you agree with official figures when they meet with your agenda

The difficulty is how to measure health tourism. Statistics only measure people who aren't residents and sneak through the system.

There are people, like my old neighbours, who moved from the UK from eastern Europe whilst the woman was pregnant. Had a baby, waited about a year, and left.

In that time, they would have definitely not paid enough tax to cover the NHS costs of having a baby.

In Germany there are rules about immigrants access to government services which can be applied within the existing EU framework. Which does show the government could do more to stop it without leaving the EU.

Stirlingsays 04 May 19 11.24am
Originally posted by Willo I wholeheartedly concur and Farage will be beaming like a TV gameshow dollybird the next morning. The final humiliation is now being delivered upon us in the form of the European elections – elections to an institution we voted to leave three years ago. These negotiations have become a national humiliation and a joke. It is May that has allowed this to happen. We Tories need a new leader who may not be able to change the Commons numbers overnight, but can bring a vision, win hearts and minds and believes in a Global Brexit. Edited by Willo (04 May 2019 10.54am) All true Willo, it's all happening...the eyes of Europe will be on us. Both the growing EU exit movements and the EU fanboys/girls. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

04 May 19 11.24am

Originally posted by Willo

I wholeheartedly concur and Farage will be beaming like a TV gameshow dollybird the next morning.

The final humiliation is now being delivered upon us in the form of the European elections – elections to an institution we voted to leave three years ago. These negotiations have become a national humiliation and a joke. It is May that has allowed this to happen. We Tories need a new leader who may not be able to change the Commons numbers overnight, but can bring a vision, win hearts and minds and believes in a Global Brexit.

Edited by Willo (04 May 2019 10.54am)

All true Willo, it's all happening...the eyes of Europe will be on us. Both the growing EU exit movements and the EU fanboys/girls.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Pussay Patrol 04 May 19 1.13pm
Originally posted by Spiderman A LEADING cancer specialist believes one in every 20 patients he treated as a consultant at London’s Royal Marsden Hospital was a health tourist.Dr Meirion Thomas said the number of health tourists was “grossly underrated” and estimated the true cost of ineligible foreign patients using the NHS to be £2 billion a year. A voice from the inside for you PP. Just maybe official figures are underestimated but of course, you agree with official figures when they meet with your agenda Link? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

04 May 19 1.13pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

A voice from the inside for you PP. Just maybe official figures are underestimated but of course, you agree with official figures when they meet with your agenda

Link?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Badger11 Beckenham 04 May 19 1.18pm
Mrs May is like a girlfriend who will not accept that she has been dumped. All we get from her is "I understand, I hear the voters, we have to deliver etc." What part of why don't you just feck off doesn't she get. She is an embarrassment to country and the Tory party especially the grass roots. The Tories got a drubbing from the voters but I I was a party member I would be really concerned that many in the Tory party have downed tools until she goes. Once upon a time the Tories were good at getting rid of leaders who had overstayed their welcome, where are the grey men? One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 04 May 19 1.18pm

Mrs May is like a girlfriend who will not accept that she has been dumped. All we get from her is "I understand, I hear the voters, we have to deliver etc."

What part of why don't you just feck off doesn't she get.

She is an embarrassment to country and the Tory party especially the grass roots. The Tories got a drubbing from the voters but I I was a party member I would be really concerned that many in the Tory party have downed tools until she goes.

Once upon a time the Tories were good at getting rid of leaders who had overstayed their welcome, where are the grey men?

One more point

Spiderman Horsham 04 May 19 1.34pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Link? [Link] There we go! I am sure you will dismiss this as only a Daily Express article but my other link was from the The Guardian, the reason I posted the Guardian link was that, you and others, who are adamant that the mood has changed towards Brexit need to think again

Spiderman

Horsham 04 May 19 1.34pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Link?

[Link]

There we go! I am sure you will dismiss this as only a Daily Express article but my other link was from the The Guardian, the reason I posted the Guardian link was that, you and others, who are adamant that the mood has changed towards Brexit need to think again

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 May 19 3.07pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Mrs May is like a girlfriend who will not accept that she has been dumped. All we get from her is "I understand, I hear the voters, we have to deliver etc." What part of why don't you just feck off doesn't she get. She is an embarrassment to country and the Tory party especially the grass roots. The Tories got a drubbing from the voters but I I was a party member I would be really concerned that many in the Tory party have downed tools until she goes. Once upon a time the Tories were good at getting rid of leaders who had overstayed their welcome, where are the grey men? 70 or so Association Chairmen who have signed a petition calling for an emergency meeting of the National Convention.It is momentous that so many Association Chairmen feel so strongly as to sign a petition calling on May to resign. Many people feel Mrs May is destroying the party.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 04 May 19 3.07pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Mrs May is like a girlfriend who will not accept that she has been dumped. All we get from her is "I understand, I hear the voters, we have to deliver etc."

What part of why don't you just feck off doesn't she get.

She is an embarrassment to country and the Tory party especially the grass roots. The Tories got a drubbing from the voters but I I was a party member I would be really concerned that many in the Tory party have downed tools until she goes.

Once upon a time the Tories were good at getting rid of leaders who had overstayed their welcome, where are the grey men?

70 or so Association Chairmen who have signed a petition calling for an emergency meeting of the National Convention.It is momentous that so many Association Chairmen feel so strongly as to sign a petition calling on May to resign.

Many people feel Mrs May is destroying the party.

chris123 hove actually 04 May 19 4.30pm
Originally posted by Willo 70 or so Association Chairmen who have signed a petition calling for an emergency meeting of the National Convention.It is momentous that so many Association Chairmen feel so strongly as to sign a petition calling on May to resign. Many people feel Mrs May is destroying the party. Doesn't change the numbers in Parliament though, still a stalemate.

chris123

hove actually 04 May 19 4.30pm

Originally posted by Willo

Many people feel Mrs May is destroying the party.

Doesn't change the numbers in Parliament though, still a stalemate.

Badger11 Beckenham 04 May 19 4.49pm
Originally posted by chris123 Doesn't change the numbers in Parliament though, still a stalemate. True but one thing at a time. First get rid of May then find someone who will take us out with or without a deal. If Parliament refuses to vote for us to leave then call a general election with that as the main issue. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 04 May 19 4.49pm

Originally posted by chris123

Doesn't change the numbers in Parliament though, still a stalemate.

True but one thing at a time.

First get rid of May then find someone who will take us out with or without a deal. If Parliament refuses to vote for us to leave then call a general election with that as the main issue.

One more point

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 May 19 5.01pm
Originally posted by chris123 Doesn't change the numbers in Parliament though, still a stalemate. The numbers are due to a dastardly election campaign in 2017, and that is the responsibility of Theresa May The 2017 manifesto was a lesson in how to lose your core vote in one easy step. Tories were over 20% ahead in the polls when the election was called, and seven weeks later lost their majority of 12.It was a disgraceful manifesto and campaign.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 04 May 19 5.01pm

Originally posted by chris123

Doesn't change the numbers in Parliament though, still a stalemate.

The numbers are due to a dastardly election campaign in 2017, and that is the responsibility of Theresa May

The 2017 manifesto was a lesson in how to lose your core vote in one easy step. Tories were over 20% ahead in the polls when the election was called, and seven weeks later lost their majority of 12.It was a disgraceful manifesto and campaign.

chris123 hove actually 04 May 19 5.09pm
Originally posted by Willo The numbers are due to a dastardly election campaign in 2017, and that is the responsibility of Theresa May The 2017 manifesto was a lesson in how to lose your core vote in one easy step. Tories were over 20% ahead in the polls when the election was called, and seven weeks later lost their majority of 12.It was a disgraceful manifesto and campaign. So going forward what could say Raab or BJ do? The EU have agreed her deal and will back Ireland all day long, and Parliament has said no to "no deal".

chris123

hove actually 04 May 19 5.09pm

Originally posted by Willo

The numbers are due to a dastardly election campaign in 2017, and that is the responsibility of Theresa May

So going forward what could say Raab or BJ do? The EU have agreed her deal and will back Ireland all day long, and Parliament has said no to "no deal".

Stirlingsays 04 May 19 5.13pm
Those who chose May as leader are the ones responsible for her.......I can't remember who they are now.....but it just goes to show you just how removed the Tory parliamentary party are from their grass roots. One of the things I'll give to the Labour party is that Miliband changed the rules so that such a discordant relationship couldn't as easily exist. Instead of May deciding to change the Tories into 'Labour lite' on social policies she should have looked to make the election of the leader more democratic with the membership having a bigger say. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 May 2019 9.59pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

04 May 19 5.13pm

Those who chose May as leader are the ones responsible for her.......I can't remember who they are now.....but it just goes to show you just how removed the Tory parliamentary party are from their grass roots.

One of the things I'll give to the Labour party is that Miliband changed the rules so that such a discordant relationship couldn't as easily exist.

Instead of May deciding to change the Tories into 'Labour lite' on social policies she should have looked to make the election of the leader more democratic with the membership having a bigger say.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 May 2019 9.59pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf The Ganger 04 May 19 9.40pm
Originally posted by Willo The numbers are due to a dastardly election campaign in 2017, and that is the responsibility of Theresa May The 2017 manifesto was a lesson in how to lose your core vote in one easy step. Tories were over 20% ahead in the polls when the election was called, and seven weeks later lost their majority of 12.It was a disgraceful manifesto and campaign. Yep, it was quite astonishing. The worst I have ever seen. Labour were on their knees until the election.

Hrolf The Ganger

04 May 19 9.40pm

Originally posted by Willo

The numbers are due to a dastardly election campaign in 2017, and that is the responsibility of Theresa May

Yep, it was quite astonishing. The worst I have ever seen. Labour were on their knees until the election.

Badger11 Beckenham 05 May 19 7.44am
Originally posted by Spiderman A LEADING cancer specialist believes one in every 20 patients he treated as a consultant at London’s Royal Marsden Hospital was a health tourist.Dr Meirion Thomas said the number of health tourists was “grossly underrated” and estimated the true cost of ineligible foreign patients using the NHS to be £2 billion a year. A voice from the inside for you PP. Just maybe official figures are underestimated but of course, you agree with official figures when they meet with your agenda Good news the NHS has solved the health tourism issue. Bad news their solution is to ignore it. [Link] One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 05 May 19 7.44am

Originally posted by Spiderman

A voice from the inside for you PP. Just maybe official figures are underestimated but of course, you agree with official figures when they meet with your agenda

Good news the NHS has solved the health tourism issue. Bad news their solution is to ignore it.

[Link]

One more point

dannyboy1978 05 May 19 8.49am
You couldn't make it up, we charge The nurses to Use The NHS [Link]

dannyboy1978

05 May 19 8.49am

You couldn't make it up, we charge The nurses to Use The NHS
[Link]

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 May 19 9.23am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Those who chose May as leader are the ones responsible for her.......I can't remember who they are now.....but it just goes to show you just how removed the Tory parliamentary party are from their grass roots. One of the things I'll give to the Labour party is that Miliband changed the rules so that such a discordant relationship couldn't as easily exist. Instead of May deciding to change the Tories into 'Labour lite' on social policies she should have looked to make the election of the leader more democratic with the membership having a bigger say. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 May 2019 9.59pm) It never got to a vote for the members. The votes in Parliament resulted in both May and Leadsom being the final two to put to the members but Leadsom pulled out leaving May as leader.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 05 May 19 9.23am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Those who chose May as leader are the ones responsible for her.......I can't remember who they are now.....but it just goes to show you just how removed the Tory parliamentary party are from their grass roots.

One of the things I'll give to the Labour party is that Miliband changed the rules so that such a discordant relationship couldn't as easily exist.

Instead of May deciding to change the Tories into 'Labour lite' on social policies she should have looked to make the election of the leader more democratic with the membership having a bigger say.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 May 2019 9.59pm)

It never got to a vote for the members.
The votes in Parliament resulted in both May and Leadsom being the final two to put to the members but Leadsom pulled out leaving May as leader.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 May 19 9.42am
Originally posted by Willo It never got to a vote for the members. The votes in Parliament resulted in both May and Leadsom being the final two to put to the members but Leadsom pulled out leaving May as leader. Only because of leadsome’s comment that May doesn’t have children so couldn’t something over Brexit and how the future matters to parents or something. The press got in and spun it more to mean Leadsome meant May can’t have children, which she can’t. I’d have wanted Leadsome for what is a term to just oversee Brexit, and even though she had little to no govt/ministerial experience, there’s been precious little of it anyway. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 05 May 19 9.42am

Originally posted by Willo

It never got to a vote for the members.
The votes in Parliament resulted in both May and Leadsom being the final two to put to the members but Leadsom pulled out leaving May as leader.

Only because of leadsome’s comment that May doesn’t have children so couldn’t something over Brexit and how the future matters to parents or something. The press got in and spun it more to mean Leadsome meant May can’t have children, which she can’t.

I’d have wanted Leadsome for what is a term to just oversee Brexit, and even though she had little to no govt/ministerial experience, there’s been precious little of it anyway.

COYP

Pussay Patrol 05 May 19 9.50am
Originally posted by Badger11 Good news the NHS has solved the health tourism issue. Bad news their solution is to ignore it. [Link] Hmm, 280m ? that's 0.002% of the budget ! You'd have thought the Daily Mail would have sexed those numbers up a bit, or perhaps their readership tend to not look beyond the headline? Funny that because someone said 2bn yesterday ! Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

05 May 19 9.50am

Originally posted by Badger11

Good news the NHS has solved the health tourism issue. Bad news their solution is to ignore it.

[Link]

Hmm, 280m ? that's 0.002% of the budget ! You'd have thought the Daily Mail would have sexed those numbers up a bit, or perhaps their readership tend to not look beyond the headline?

Funny that because someone said 2bn yesterday !

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Badger11 Beckenham 05 May 19 9.52am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 You couldn't make it up, we charge The nurses to Use The NHS [Link] Ridiculous providing these staff are working in the NHS they should get treatment free they will be paying taxes. On the subject of charging I cannot understand why nurses have to pay to be trained. As long as they pass and work in the NHS for say 5 years then I would cancel their tuition fees. We need to encourage more people into the system not the other way around. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 05 May 19 9.52am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

You couldn't make it up, we charge The nurses to Use The NHS
[Link]

Ridiculous providing these staff are working in the NHS they should get treatment free they will be paying taxes.

On the subject of charging I cannot understand why nurses have to pay to be trained. As long as they pass and work in the NHS for say 5 years then I would cancel their tuition fees. We need to encourage more people into the system not the other way around.

One more point

Pussay Patrol 05 May 19 9.55am
Originally posted by Willo It never got to a vote for the members. The votes in Parliament resulted in both May and Leadsom being the final two to put to the members but Leadsom pulled out leaving May as leader. Willo May isn't the problem, it just she is always in the line of fire, people are fed up with the whole political establishment. All your conservative chums are incompetent buffoons and not fit to govern Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

05 May 19 9.55am

Originally posted by Willo

It never got to a vote for the members.
The votes in Parliament resulted in both May and Leadsom being the final two to put to the members but Leadsom pulled out leaving May as leader.

Willo May isn't the problem, it just she is always in the line of fire, people are fed up with the whole political establishment.

All your conservative chums are incompetent buffoons and not fit to govern

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Badger11 Beckenham 05 May 19 9.56am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Hmm, 280m ? that's 0.002% of the budget ! You'd have thought the Daily Mail would have sexed those numbers up a bit, or perhaps their readership tend to not look beyond the headline? Funny that because someone said 2bn yesterday ! Oh well only 280mm let's not worry about it, oh wait the NHS isn't of course then they bleat they need more money. It's not the point staff should not get to decide who gets free treatment this is a policy decision made by government and if the electorate don't like it they will vote for a party that opposes it. If we take this attitude to the extreme why should I pay my taxes? They think they are bing noble, yeah with other people's money. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 05 May 19 9.56am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Hmm, 280m ? that's 0.002% of the budget ! You'd have thought the Daily Mail would have sexed those numbers up a bit, or perhaps their readership tend to not look beyond the headline?

Funny that because someone said 2bn yesterday !

Oh well only 280mm let's not worry about it, oh wait the NHS isn't of course then they bleat they need more money.

It's not the point staff should not get to decide who gets free treatment this is a policy decision made by government and if the electorate don't like it they will vote for a party that opposes it.

If we take this attitude to the extreme why should I pay my taxes? They think they are bing noble, yeah with other people's money.

One more point

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