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Originally posted by nickgusset
What about the timing of the coup. Politicians are opportunists and they see a chance to oust Corbyn in the best interests of the party.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Politicians are opportunists and they see a chance to oust Corbyn in the best interests of the party. Think they should have waited just a wee while
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I don't think I am kidding myself.
By launching their opportunistic self-serving coup now, the Blairites have helped the Tories climb out of a hole of their own digging, and voluntarily shoved the Labour Party down there in their place. These people are venal self-serving fools, who clearly consider their own ideological vendetta against Jeremy Corbyn to be far more important than the best interests of the Labour Party, or doing the job they're supposed to: Opposing the Tories. Nick, every time I read your posts I genuinely feel sorry for you. So much bitterness and politics of envy, so many ad hominem comments. And a real failure to grasp that Labour under Corbyn will never make any mark or gain any mandate. SURELY you can see that? Virtually everyone else can.
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Originally posted by OldFella
Nick, every time I read your posts I genuinely feel sorry for you. So much bitterness and politics of envy, so many ad hominem comments. And a real failure to grasp that Labour under Corbyn will never make any mark or gain any mandate. SURELY you can see that? Virtually everyone else can. Disagree with your first 2 sentences completely.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I don't think Corbyn has actually done anything wrong. I was speaking to a party Affiliate/member last night who voted for Corbyn and he said that he and others he knows wouldn't vote for him again. Edited by Willo (28 Jun 2016 9.10am)
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Amusing
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Originally posted by Willo
I was speaking to a party Affiliate/member last night who voted for Corbyn and he said that he and others he knows wouldn't vote for him again. Edited by Willo (28 Jun 2016 9.10am) He'll be in the minority. As it stands if there's a leadership election and Jeremy Corbyn can get enough MPs to vote for him then he will walk it. Again. And people - probably with some justification - will say that's just clueless people in a London bubble not listening and damaging the credibility and future of the Labour party. But he has a right to put those views forward and people have a right as members of the Labour party to vote for whatever leader they want. I think it has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Had Jeremy Corbyn not been viciously attacked by the media from the outset there is a chance he could have built up some form of positive relationship with the electorate. The local elections were not particularly poor and the by-elections held so far have actually shown increases in votes/%. The problem is he doesn't fit the mould for a conventional modern politician. He's not media savvy. And he lacks charisma. He is also approaching the leadership of the Labour party rather like a member of the SWP (or at least his close advisers and supporters are) with purges and closing down of all dissent. I do however think it is very amusing that Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters call continually for unity and no backbiting for Labour MPs, when Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters have made their entire careers on dissenting and backbiting and showing no unity to the Labour leadership.
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When is Emily Thornberry going to connect with the disillusioned traditional labour voters? Or will she stick to what she knows? Islington South?
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
When is Emily Thornberry going to connect with the disillusioned traditional labour voters? Or will she stick to what she knows? Islington South? Woudn't
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
When is Emily Thornberry going to connect with the disillusioned traditional labour voters? Or will she stick to what she knows? Islington South? What do you suggest she does to connect? Become a racist? Because when people keep on about Corbyn et al connecting with "traditional Labour voters" what they mean is "let's start blaming immigrants for society's problems instead of the Tories and the super rich who have destroyed the welfare state built up by Labour, sold off social housing and failed to build any new ones etc"
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Originally posted by davidpercival
What do you suggest she does to connect? Become a racist? Because when people keep on about Corbyn et al connecting with "traditional Labour voters" what they mean is "let's start blaming immigrants for society's problems instead of the Tories and the super rich who have destroyed the welfare state built up by Labour, sold off social housing and failed to build any new ones etc" So let's get this straight. It's all the Tories fault? I expect we need to return to pre Thatcherite 1970's Britain right? I need some of what you are smoking.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So let's get this straight. It's all the Tories fault? I expect we need to return to pre Thatcherite 1970's Britain right? I need some of what you are smoking. There was someone this morning, might even have been Corbyn I've read and listened to too much crap recently but whoever it was blamed the "successive tory governments" for the fact that labour voters felt disenfranchised.
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They voted 176 to 44
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Originally posted by Willo
Believe only 40 MPs supported him in the vote.He will need 51 MPs to support him to stand in a leadership contest. Some of those who abstained might support him but he might not get the required number to stand. And this afternoon, a further 2 'Shadow Cabinet' members resigned. This is being disputed, apparently as leader he automatically appears on ballot. Or so say some.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Angela Eagle considering standing for leader has got to be joke? She currently can't stop crying all the time. If Corbyn not speaking to her causes her to start crying, what's she going to be like under real pressure? And you can barely hear her speak sometimes anyway. She would be as bad as Corbyn if not worse!!
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Scapegoating when they need to look in the faces of their voters to understand what happened.
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