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DanH SW2 09 Jun 21 12.48am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Let me tell you dear boy that people only want equality until that is achieved, and then they want more. Humans don't settle for equality. Surely you are not so naive as to believe otherwise. Right now, Black people are equal by law. They have exactly the opportunities you would expect when you make up 4% of the population. Why they think that they should be entitled to get managerial jobs in football beyond 4%, for example, is beyond me. No one complains about the disproportionate 25% playing football. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Jun 2021 12.44am) See this is where we fundamentally disagree and your fears stretch into the irrational (in my opinion). If it all goes to sh*t as you predict at least you can comfort yourself that it’ll be my generation left around to deal with it.

DanH

SW2 09 Jun 21 12.48am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Let me tell you dear boy that people only want equality until that is achieved, and then they want more. Humans don't settle for equality.

Surely you are not so naive as to believe otherwise.

Right now, Black people are equal by law. They have exactly the opportunities you would expect when you make up 4% of the population. Why they think that they should be entitled to get managerial jobs in football beyond 4%, for example, is beyond me.
No one complains about the disproportionate 25% playing football.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Jun 2021 12.44am)

See this is where we fundamentally disagree and your fears stretch into the irrational (in my opinion). If it all goes to sh*t as you predict at least you can comfort yourself that it’ll be my generation left around to deal with it.

PalazioVecchio south pole 09 Jun 21 12.49am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Surely you are not so naive as to believe otherwise. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Jun 2021 12.44am) oh cmon. You must have figured him out by now ? he believes white people can win all the olympic sprints and black people can win all the olympic swimming. his delusions know no bounds. he would open up a jewish football club in downtown Jeddah. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 09 Jun 21 12.49am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Surely you are not so naive as to believe otherwise.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Jun 2021 12.44am)

oh cmon. You must have figured him out by now ?

he believes white people can win all the olympic sprints and black people can win all the olympic swimming.

his delusions know no bounds.

he would open up a jewish football club in downtown Jeddah.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 21 12.50am
Originally posted by DanH If you don’t get why people are there’s no point having this conversation with you. Listen to people that are on the receiving end and see what they say. Not that it will ever happen, people like you never listen. You think you know it all already. That is rather a pot calling kettle moment. Most people think they know it all. They don't of course, but naivety does tend to reduce with age for many.

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 21 12.50am

Originally posted by DanH

If you don’t get why people are there’s no point having this conversation with you. Listen to people that are on the receiving end and see what they say. Not that it will ever happen, people like you never listen. You think you know it all already.

That is rather a pot calling kettle moment.

Most people think they know it all. They don't of course, but naivety does tend to reduce with age for many.

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 21 12.51am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio oh cmon. You must have figured him out by now ? he believes white people can win all the olympic sprints and black people can win all the olympic swimming. his delusions know no bounds. he would open up a jewish football club in downtown Jeddah. He means well. He just grew up in an era when he had to apologize for being White.

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 21 12.51am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

oh cmon. You must have figured him out by now ?

he believes white people can win all the olympic sprints and black people can win all the olympic swimming.

his delusions know no bounds.

he would open up a jewish football club in downtown Jeddah.

He means well. He just grew up in an era when he had to apologize for being White.

PalazioVecchio south pole 09 Jun 21 12.53am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That is rather a pot calling kettle moment. Most people think they know it all. They don't of course, but naivety does tend to reduce with age for many. correct. I frown upon homophobia, but i am not stupid enough to open a gay nightclub in the Third World and start to lecture all the locals on the importance of tolerance. naivety in the extreme. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 09 Jun 21 12.53am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is rather a pot calling kettle moment.

Most people think they know it all. They don't of course, but naivety does tend to reduce with age for many.

correct. I frown upon homophobia, but i am not stupid enough to open a gay nightclub in the Third World and start to lecture all the locals on the importance of tolerance.

naivety in the extreme.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Stirlingsays 09 Jun 21 12.57am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Let me tell you dear boy that people only want equality until that is achieved, and then they want more. Humans don't settle for equality. I think he romanticizes out groups. You're right, most people, and pretty much all self identifying groups will seek to maximise their advantages. That's a pretty obvious lesson of history. 'Equality'....which is a myth...only comes in the form of regulation Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2021 12.58am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jun 21 12.57am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Let me tell you dear boy that people only want equality until that is achieved, and then they want more. Humans don't settle for equality.

I think he romanticizes out groups.

You're right, most people, and pretty much all self identifying groups will seek to maximise their advantages. That's a pretty obvious lesson of history.

'Equality'....which is a myth...only comes in the form of regulation

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2021 12.58am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

DanH SW2 09 Jun 21 12.57am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger He means well. He just grew up in an era when he had to apologize for being White. Never happened. I’m comfortable with who I am and where I’ve come from. Just self-aware enough to realise that I haven’t had to deal with stuff that other people haven’t. That’s not just because I’m white either. Being male and straight helps too.

DanH

SW2 09 Jun 21 12.57am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

He means well. He just grew up in an era when he had to apologize for being White.

Never happened. I’m comfortable with who I am and where I’ve come from. Just self-aware enough to realise that I haven’t had to deal with stuff that other people haven’t. That’s not just because I’m white either. Being male and straight helps too.

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 21 12.57am
Originally posted by DanH See this is where we fundamentally disagree and your fears stretch into the irrational (in my opinion). If it all goes to sh*t as you predict at least you can comfort yourself that it’ll be my generation left around to deal with it. I'm not afraid Danny boy. Life gets far more scary than that. You will find out.

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jun 21 12.57am

Originally posted by DanH

See this is where we fundamentally disagree and your fears stretch into the irrational (in my opinion). If it all goes to sh*t as you predict at least you can comfort yourself that it’ll be my generation left around to deal with it.

I'm not afraid Danny boy. Life gets far more scary than that. You will find out.

Stirlingsays 09 Jun 21 1.00am
Originally posted by DanH Never happened. I’m comfortable with who I am and where I’ve come from. Just self-aware enough to realise that I haven’t had to deal with stuff that other people haven’t. That’s not just because I’m white either. Being male and straight helps too. It's the self hating Guardian reader meme. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jun 21 1.00am

Originally posted by DanH

It's the self hating Guardian reader meme.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

PalazioVecchio south pole 09 Jun 21 1.02am
Originally posted by DanH Never happened. I’m comfortable with who I am and where I’ve come from. Just self-aware enough to realise that I haven’t had to deal with stuff that other people haven’t. That’s not just because I’m white either. Being male and straight helps too. so you are defending and protecting the 'other group' will those footballers who are 'taking the knee' pause for the chinese factory workers who made their 100 quid t shirt ? nope, didnt think so. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 09 Jun 21 1.02am

Originally posted by DanH

so you are defending and protecting the 'other group'

will those footballers who are 'taking the knee' pause for the chinese factory workers who made their 100 quid t shirt ? nope, didnt think so.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio south pole 09 Jun 21 1.02am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's the self hating Guardian reader meme. Cuckoldry incarnate. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 09 Jun 21 1.02am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's the self hating Guardian reader meme.

Cuckoldry incarnate.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

DanH SW2 09 Jun 21 1.06am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's the self hating Guardian reader meme. So you don’t think being a straight, white male comes with advantages in life? You realise you can be very comfortable in your own skin as well as recognise that certain things in life mean you don’t haven’t to deal with certain strifes that others do don’t you?

DanH

SW2 09 Jun 21 1.06am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's the self hating Guardian reader meme.

So you don’t think being a straight, white male comes with advantages in life?

You realise you can be very comfortable in your own skin as well as recognise that certain things in life mean you don’t haven’t to deal with certain strifes that others do don’t you?

Stirlingsays 09 Jun 21 1.07am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio Cuckoldry incarnate. Now that's a great name for a website. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jun 21 1.07am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Cuckoldry incarnate.

Now that's a great name for a website.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

PalazioVecchio south pole 09 Jun 21 1.08am
Originally posted by DanH So you don’t think being a straight, white male comes with advantages in life? as a native man in Poland or Hungary maybe. In London ? not so much. In Croydon ? certainly not. Edited by PalazioVecchio (09 Jun 2021 1.09am) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 09 Jun 21 1.08am

Originally posted by DanH

So you don’t think being a straight, white male comes with advantages in life?

as a native man in Poland or Hungary maybe. In London ? not so much.

In Croydon ? certainly not.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (09 Jun 2021 1.09am)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

DanH SW2 09 Jun 21 1.09am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio as a native man in Poland or Hungary maybe. In London ? not so much. Walk into a hundred offices in London and ask to see the boss. Guarantee at least 90 of them are straight white males.

DanH

SW2 09 Jun 21 1.09am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

as a native man in Poland or Hungary maybe. In London ? not so much.

Walk into a hundred offices in London and ask to see the boss. Guarantee at least 90 of them are straight white males.

cryrst The garden of England 09 Jun 21 1.11am
Originally posted by DanH This is where the fear kicks in. You think it won’t stop until us white people are getting chased out of our houses. Whereas really most minorities just want to be treated equally and not have to deal with mindless abuse while they’re trying to go about their daily business. What is it equality or abuse? There is total equality for everyone in the UK. This isn't america!

cryrst

The garden of England 09 Jun 21 1.11am

Originally posted by DanH

This is where the fear kicks in. You think it won’t stop until us white people are getting chased out of our houses. Whereas really most minorities just want to be treated equally and not have to deal with mindless abuse while they’re trying to go about their daily business.

What is it equality or abuse?
There is total equality for everyone in the UK.
This isn't america!

Stirlingsays 09 Jun 21 1.13am
Originally posted by DanH So you don’t think being a straight, white male comes with advantages in life? Yes, and it's pretty essential that they do....otherwise we wouldn't be here. That said today it depends upon the environment....for example during up at yours for an interview might not count...Getting a job at the BBC...stuff like that. However, I have no issues with advantages per say....more with hypocrisy. Originally posted by DanH You realise you can be very comfortable in your own skin as well as recognise that certain things in life mean you don’t haven’t to deal with certain strifes that others do don’t you? Sure, and where people agree on those areas that's fine. Where they don't agree it isn't. People should be allowed to pursue their own ideas on what those are. For example, we have different ideas on moral absolutes and their strengths and import.....different takes on history and so on. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2021 1.15am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jun 21 1.13am

Originally posted by DanH

So you don’t think being a straight, white male comes with advantages in life?

Yes, and it's pretty essential that they do....otherwise we wouldn't be here.

That said today it depends upon the environment....for example during up at yours for an interview might not count...Getting a job at the BBC...stuff like that.

However, I have no issues with advantages per say....more with hypocrisy.

Originally posted by DanH

You realise you can be very comfortable in your own skin as well as recognise that certain things in life mean you don’t haven’t to deal with certain strifes that others do don’t you?

Sure, and where people agree on those areas that's fine. Where they don't agree it isn't. People should be allowed to pursue their own ideas on what those are.

For example, we have different ideas on moral absolutes and their strengths and import.....different takes on history and so on.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2021 1.15am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

PalazioVecchio south pole 09 Jun 21 1.13am
Originally posted by DanH Walk into a hundred offices in London and ask to see the boss. Guarantee at least 90 of them are straight white males. so Roy hodgson only got good jobs cos he was white ? nothing to do with all the great performances. to follow your logic. Edited by PalazioVecchio (09 Jun 2021 1.16am) Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 09 Jun 21 1.13am

Originally posted by DanH

Walk into a hundred offices in London and ask to see the boss. Guarantee at least 90 of them are straight white males.

so Roy hodgson only got good jobs cos he was white ?

nothing to do with all the great performances.

to follow your logic.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (09 Jun 2021 1.16am)

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Stirlingsays 09 Jun 21 1.19am
Well, if an office is mostly filled with men it's usually because mostly men applied for the jobs....office staff or the boss. I remember working in a publishing house and it was probably 60/40 majority female.....people apply to jobs they are attracted to. Teaching is a majority female job now as well....most students at university are females. As for 90 out of 100 males being straight....that's probably between that and 95 of males anyway. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2021 1.21am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jun 21 1.19am

Well, if an office is mostly filled with men it's usually because mostly men applied for the jobs....office staff or the boss.

I remember working in a publishing house and it was probably 60/40 majority female.....people apply to jobs they are attracted to. Teaching is a majority female job now as well....most students at university are females.

As for 90 out of 100 males being straight....that's probably between that and 95 of males anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2021 1.21am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

PalazioVecchio south pole 09 Jun 21 1.19am
Originally posted by DanH Walk into a hundred offices in London and ask to see the boss. Guarantee at least 90 of them are straight white males. so its all a big conspiracy ? find 100 gangland London stabbing victims, do you think there is a similar conspiracy ? for at least 90 of them ? Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 09 Jun 21 1.19am

Originally posted by DanH

Walk into a hundred offices in London and ask to see the boss. Guarantee at least 90 of them are straight white males.

so its all a big conspiracy ?

find 100 gangland London stabbing victims, do you think there is a similar conspiracy ? for at least 90 of them ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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