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 Badger11  Beckenham 08 May 19 8.28am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Leaving aside the fact that Farage didn't actually say that isn't this what "taking back control" is all about. It's all well and good a British politician making suggestions about how best to run one of our institutions but it's quite another when it's unelected pissheads in Europe telling us what we should be doing in our country Exactly. I am not sure the people want a privatised NHS but that is for British politicians to make that argument and the public will then decide. Just the same as post Brexit Corbyn will no doubt put forward his view of a socialist paradise. Update: I suspect that some on the left love the EU because it has a built in socialist majority so will "protect" their interests against a conservative government. In other words if the left can't have their way in a general election they will get it through the EU back door. Ironically Corbyn hates the EU because he feels it's a a corporate club preventing him from implementing socialist policies if he ever got in. You pay your money....
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| chris123 hove actually 08 May 19 8.45am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Exactly. I am not sure the people want a privatised NHS but that is for British politicians to make that argument and the public will then decide. Just the same as post Brexit Corbyn will no doubt put forward his view of a socialist paradise. Update: I suspect that some on the left love the EU because it has a built in socialist majority so will "protect" their interests against a conservative government. In other words if the left can't have their way in a general election they will get it through the EU back door. Ironically Corbyn hates the EU because he feels it's a a corporate club preventing him from implementing socialist policies if he ever got in. You pay your money....
Edited by Badger11 (08 May 2019 8.34am) At a Federal level maybe, but right wing parties are growing across Europe.
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jeeagles  08 May 19 9.05am |
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Originally posted by chris123
At a Federal level maybe, but right wing parties are growing across Europe. I'm not sure the extreme EU supporters really get what is does on a day to day basis that supports people. There's a lot of properganda thrown out by the EU in terms of it protecting our freedoms, but due to the lack of clarity on what it's remit is it ends up constantly interfering in domestic policies it shouldn't get involved with and implementing costly trivial regulations. The EU should not dictate how the NHS should be run. I hate the NHS and I'm all for privatisation, but choosing how it should be run is a choice for UK politicians. Bringing up old news, but why was an organisation with 700 MEPs ever debating and regulating what size shape bananas should be across the continent? Surely someone must have seen this was a pointless intervention. The desire to constant seek to expand into dodgy states like Turkey and Serbia when it's members are already expressing discontent over its current size just seems ludicrous. And the idea that it's a liberal organisation is just wrong. League and AfD MEPs are far worse than UKIP, and mainland Europe's track record on facism isnt great. The EU have to get it's house in order to have any chance of the UK remaining.
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| chris123 hove actually 08 May 19 9.16am |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
I'm not sure the extreme EU supporters really get what is does on a day to day basis that supports people. There's a lot of properganda thrown out by the EU in terms of it protecting our freedoms, but due to the lack of clarity on what it's remit is it ends up constantly interfering in domestic policies it shouldn't get involved with and implementing costly trivial regulations. The EU should not dictate how the NHS should be run. I hate the NHS and I'm all for privatisation, but choosing how it should be run is a choice for UK politicians. Bringing up old news, but why was an organisation with 700 MEPs ever debating and regulating what size shape bananas should be across the continent? Surely someone must have seen this was a pointless intervention. The desire to constant seek to expand into dodgy states like Turkey and Serbia when it's members are already expressing discontent over its current size just seems ludicrous. And the idea that it's a liberal organisation is just wrong. League and AfD MEPs are far worse than UKIP, and mainland Europe's track record on facism isnt great. The EU have to get it's house in order to have any chance of the UK remaining. The AfD are the main opposition in the Bundestag, so get to chair key committees - the budgetary committee being one.
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Pussay Patrol  08 May 19 9.21am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Leaving aside the fact that Farage didn't actually say that isn't this what "taking back control" is all about. It's all well and good a British politician making suggestions about how best to run one of our institutions but it's quite another when it's unelected pissheads in Europe telling us what we should be doing in our country Nigel Farage "I think we're going to have to think about healthcare very, very differently, " he said in 2012. "I think we are going to have to move to an insurance-based system of healthcare." He went on: "Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the market place of an insurance company than just us trustingly giving £100bn a year to central government and expecting them to organise the healthcare service from cradle to grave for us."
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| Pussay Patrol 08 May 19 9.24am |
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE
I post stuff about Brexit without being biased unlike yourself. Ps I never said I dislike the EU, I believe in democracy that's why I back Farage. If you post propaganda from leave.eu that's bias, sorry to point out the obvious
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 Hrolf The Ganger 08 May 19 9.33am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Nigel Farage "I think we're going to have to think about healthcare very, very differently, " he said in 2012. "I think we are going to have to move to an insurance-based system of healthcare." He went on: "Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the market place of an insurance company than just us trustingly giving £100bn a year to central government and expecting them to organise the healthcare service from cradle to grave for us." So? The NHS is in meltdown. It needs fixing somehow or else it will be useless. The standard of care in some areas has already dropped to below acceptable levels and the range of services that it provides has become too wide.
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| W12 08 May 19 9.43am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Nigel Farage "I think we're going to have to think about healthcare very, very differently, " he said in 2012. "I think we are going to have to move to an insurance-based system of healthcare." He went on: "Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the market place of an insurance company than just us trustingly giving £100bn a year to central government and expecting them to organise the healthcare service from cradle to grave for us." I would agree, what makes you think we should pay for other able bodied people to get healthcare for free? Have you seen our national debt btw? Edited by W12 (08 May 2019 9.44am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 08 May 19 9.43am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So? The NHS is in meltdown. It needs fixing somehow or else it will be useless. The standard of care in some areas has already dropped to below acceptable levels and the range of services that it provides has become too wide. I don't understand why people are so against private healthcare. Most of the socialist countries in Western Europe have a mix of private and public and it doesn't seem to bother them. Perhaps Pussay could enlighten us on the Dutch system I have Dutch friends who say it is good?
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| W12 08 May 19 9.45am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I don't understand why people are so against private healthcare. Most of the socialist countries in Western Europe have a mix of private and public and it doesn't seem to bother them. Perhaps Pussay could enlighten us on the Dutch system I have Dutch friends who say it is good? Because the NHS is the holy cow of the left. It's untouchable and they don't want to think about it.
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| Pussay Patrol 08 May 19 9.51am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So? The NHS is in meltdown. It needs fixing somehow or else it will be useless. The standard of care in some areas has already dropped to below acceptable levels and the range of services that it provides has become too wide. I wasn't trying to have a debate about the NHS, I was just highlighting the stupidity of some contributors who contradict their own points
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| Pussay Patrol 08 May 19 9.55am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I don't understand why people are so against private healthcare. Most of the socialist countries in Western Europe have a mix of private and public and it doesn't seem to bother them. Perhaps Pussay could enlighten us on the Dutch system I have Dutch friends who say it is good? But someone on your side of the argument is saying we must leave the EU to save the NHS. You're either not singing from the same hymnsheet or that was complete crap
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| Maine Eagle USA 08 May 19 10.07am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I don't understand why people are so against private healthcare. Most of the socialist countries in Western Europe have a mix of private and public and it doesn't seem to bother them. Perhaps Pussay could enlighten us on the Dutch system I have Dutch friends who say it is good? So does the U.K. You may choose private healthcare if you wish?
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| W12 08 May 19 10.17am | |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
So does the U.K. You may choose private healthcare if you wish? You can choose private healthcare but if you are a productive individual but you are still paying for free healthcare and "social protection"for numerous others many of which have no incentive to be productive (either financially or socially). It's the disease of the west.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 08 May 19 10.18am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
So does the U.K. You may choose private healthcare if you wish? I meant that in many countries you can choose your doctor / treatment from the National Insurance contributions you make not the same as paying additionally for private care.
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| Midlands Eagle 08 May 19 10.22am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
I'm not so sure any more. I made an appointment to see my GP yesterday and the earliest they could fit me in was exactly a month away
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Teddy Eagle  08 May 19 10.33am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I'm not so sure any more. I made an appointment to see my GP yesterday and the earliest they could fit me in was exactly a month away Same here - five weeks is not unusual. I think it’s the waiting times which will kill the NHS off.
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| dannyboy1978 08 May 19 10.35am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Nigel Farage "I think we're going to have to think about healthcare very, very differently, " he said in 2012. "I think we are going to have to move to an insurance-based system of healthcare." He went on: "Frankly, I would feel more comfortable that my money would return value if I was able to do that through the market place of an insurance company than just us trustingly giving £100bn a year to central government and expecting them to organise the healthcare service from cradle to grave for us." Is he not aloud an opinion different to yours. If he wants to privatise the NHS and get voted in on that manefesto what is your issue?
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 May 19 10.47am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
So does the U.K. You may choose private healthcare if you wish? My view is that those who claim to oppose ‘Private healthcare' are really opposed to the principles of patient choice. I have private health care and that is my choice.Saves me being a further burden on the NHS ! Edited by Willo (08 May 2019 10.53am)
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| Pussay Patrol 08 May 19 11.00am |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Is he not aloud an opinion different to yours. If he wants to privatise the NHS and get voted in on that manefesto what is your issue?
My issue is a.) Same people are saying we should leave EU as they will privatise the NHS and b) another person said he never said that We are leaving the EU based on lies, misconceptions and downright stupidity Edited by Pussay Patrol (08 May 2019 11.01am)
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