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blackpalacefan 28 Jun 16 7.23pm
Corbyn comes across like an ordinary person really. By that I mean he says exactly what he believes and doesn't often factor in the view of the party he is supposed to be uniting. If his views were slightly removed from the party as a whole maybe that would work, but being that people can't quit soon enough i'd say it's the right thing to do to step down. Sure, he's probably popular enough to win a vote but he's holding his own party to ransom at a time where they should be making gains. The man has principles whether you agree with him or not, but he's not a politician and doesn't know how to lead a party.

blackpalacefan

28 Jun 16 7.23pm

Corbyn comes across like an ordinary person really. By that I mean he says exactly what he believes and doesn't often factor in the view of the party he is supposed to be uniting. If his views were slightly removed from the party as a whole maybe that would work, but being that people can't quit soon enough i'd say it's the right thing to do to step down. Sure, he's probably popular enough to win a vote but he's holding his own party to ransom at a time where they should be making gains. The man has principles whether you agree with him or not, but he's not a politician and doesn't know how to lead a party.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 28 Jun 16 7.28pm
Originally posted by turkish eagle Scapegoating when they need to look in the faces of their voters to understand what happened. [Link] If they don't understand now, they never will. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 28 Jun 16 7.28pm

Originally posted by turkish eagle

Scapegoating when they need to look in the faces of their voters to understand what happened.

[Link]

If they don't understand now, they never will.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

davidpercival Croydon 28 Jun 16 10.23pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I agree that Blair/Brown continued the Thatcherite policies. I was using the word Tories to speak about all the political classes who do the bidding of the rich and powerful against the rest of us. immigrants obviously require housing, schools, hospitals etc same as everyone else but they contribute to the creation of wealth that can supply them - if we have a government that wants to provide them. Instead we have austerity which means less of all those things so the rich encourage the rest of us to fight amongst ourselves over the scant resources that exist. Have you ever wondered why we went from building over 400,000 houses a year between the late 40s to the 70s and now we can't even build 200,000 despite the country being much richer? And most of the pathetically small number of those that are built can only be afforded by the better off. Hardly any council or social houses. More and more people are forced into frequently deplorable privately owned properties or Council bread and breakfast. It is because the working class has been weakened so the ruling class think we can be ignored and we can blame each other instead of them. So let's get this straight. It's all the Tories fault? So 13 years of Blair's Labour had nothing to do with it? So mass immigration has no effect on housing, jobs, the NHS and the welfare state I suppose? I expect we need to return to pre Thatcherite 1970's Britain right? I need some of what you are smoking.

davidpercival

Croydon 28 Jun 16 10.23pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I agree that Blair/Brown continued the Thatcherite policies. I was using the word Tories to speak about all the political classes who do the bidding of the rich and powerful against the rest of us.
immigrants obviously require housing, schools, hospitals etc same as everyone else but they contribute to the creation of wealth that can supply them - if we have a government that wants to provide them. Instead we have austerity which means less of all those things so the rich encourage the rest of us to fight amongst ourselves over the scant resources that exist.
Have you ever wondered why we went from building over 400,000 houses a year between the late 40s to the 70s and now we can't even build 200,000 despite the country being much richer? And most of the pathetically small number of those that are built can only be afforded by the better off. Hardly any council or social houses. More and more people are forced into frequently deplorable privately owned properties or Council bread and breakfast. It is because the working class has been weakened so the ruling class think we can be ignored and we can blame each other instead of them.

So let's get this straight. It's all the Tories fault?
So 13 years of Blair's Labour had nothing to do with it?
So mass immigration has no effect on housing, jobs, the NHS and the welfare state I suppose?

I expect we need to return to pre Thatcherite 1970's Britain right?

I need some of what you are smoking.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Jun 16 8.07am
Heard a theory that a lot of Blairites don't want Corbyn to be leader of the opposition when the Chilcot enquiry comes out soon. Also noted that all the MP's who are against Corbyn voted for the odious welfare bill. Looking after people. My arse!

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 29 Jun 16 8.07am

Heard a theory that a lot of Blairites don't want Corbyn to be leader of the opposition when the Chilcot enquiry comes out soon.

Also noted that all the MP's who are against Corbyn voted for the odious welfare bill. Looking after people. My arse!

Sportyteacher London 29 Jun 16 8.24am
Originally posted by nickgusset Heard a theory that a lot of Blairites don't want Corbyn to be leader of the opposition when the Chilcot enquiry comes out soon. Also noted that all the MP's who are against Corbyn voted for the odious welfare bill. Looking after people. My arse! I think that you're onto something here as we know that Blair and Straw are due to receive a pummelling from Chilcott enquiry report that is due for publication on 6th July. Funny how we never hear of The Conservative Party's role within voting for military action at the time when their leader was privy to same MOD intelligence feedback. Without Conservative party voting support, the motion for military action would not have gone through. Their leaders at the time: Iain Duncan Smith ably supported by Cameron; Osborne and co. [Link]

Sportyteacher

London 29 Jun 16 8.24am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Heard a theory that a lot of Blairites don't want Corbyn to be leader of the opposition when the Chilcot enquiry comes out soon.

Also noted that all the MP's who are against Corbyn voted for the odious welfare bill. Looking after people. My arse!

I think that you're onto something here as we know that Blair and Straw are due to receive a pummelling from Chilcott enquiry report that is due for publication on 6th July.

Funny how we never hear of The Conservative Party's role within voting for military action at the time when their leader was privy to same MOD intelligence feedback. Without Conservative party voting support, the motion for military action would not have gone through. Their leaders at the time: Iain Duncan Smith ably supported by Cameron; Osborne and co.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 29 Jun 16 8.33am
Originally posted by Sportyteacher I think that you're onto something here as we know that Blair and Straw are due to receive a pummelling from Chilcott enquiry report that is due for publication on 6th July. Funny how we never hear of The Conservative Party's role within voting for military action at the time when their leader was privy to same MOD intelligence feedback. Without Conservative party voting support, the motion for military action would not have gone through. Their leaders at the time: Iain Duncan Smith ably supported by Cameron; Osborne and co. [Link] That's what the Chilcot inquiry will tell us. It may be they went in willingly knowing it was a pack of lies, alternatively maybe they were made to believe that there were WMDs. the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 29 Jun 16 8.33am

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

I think that you're onto something here as we know that Blair and Straw are due to receive a pummelling from Chilcott enquiry report that is due for publication on 6th July.

Funny how we never hear of The Conservative Party's role within voting for military action at the time when their leader was privy to same MOD intelligence feedback. Without Conservative party voting support, the motion for military action would not have gone through. Their leaders at the time: Iain Duncan Smith ably supported by Cameron; Osborne and co.

[Link]

That's what the Chilcot inquiry will tell us. It may be they went in willingly knowing it was a pack of lies, alternatively maybe they were made to believe that there were WMDs.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Jun 16 10.11am
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch That's what the Chilcot inquiry will tell us. It may be they went in willingly knowing it was a pack of lies, alternatively maybe they were made to believe that there were WMDs. Certainly its looking like Blair isn't going to come off well.... "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 29 Jun 16 10.11am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

That's what the Chilcot inquiry will tell us. It may be they went in willingly knowing it was a pack of lies, alternatively maybe they were made to believe that there were WMDs.

Certainly its looking like Blair isn't going to come off well....

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hoof Hearted 29 Jun 16 10.47am
Can't someone put a pillow over his head?

Hoof Hearted 29 Jun 16 10.47am

Can't someone put a pillow over his head?

Palacetinian Surrey Fam 29 Jun 16 10.55am
There was always going to be Blairite coup at some stage. When the council results weren't that bad it got deferred. But when the shock of Thursday hit then the PLP decide that was the time to do it. It's all about the sole of the Labour party and the direction it takes. Read this for details of the coup when revealed by teh Daily Telegraph back on 3rd May... [Link] Supporting Crystal Palace since 19.45 on 29th August 1972 (approximately)!

Palacetinian

Surrey Fam 29 Jun 16 10.55am

There was always going to be Blairite coup at some stage. When the council results weren't that bad it got deferred. But when the shock of Thursday hit then the PLP decide that was the time to do it.

It's all about the sole of the Labour party and the direction it takes.

Read this for details of the coup when revealed by teh Daily Telegraph back on 3rd May...

[Link]

Supporting Crystal Palace since 19.45 on 29th August 1972 (approximately)!

Hoof Hearted 29 Jun 16 11.18am
My Mrs had to walk through the "massed throng" of protestors in support of Corbyn in Bristol last night. She said all she could see was placards designed by The Socialist Worker and Momentum. Surely both these organisations are better affiliated to the Communist Party rather than Labour?

Hoof Hearted 29 Jun 16 11.18am

My Mrs had to walk through the "massed throng" of protestors in support of Corbyn in Bristol last night.

She said all she could see was placards designed by The Socialist Worker and Momentum.

Surely both these organisations are better affiliated to the Communist Party rather than Labour?

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Jun 16 11.23am
A friend posted this in an email. it may of course all be nonsense. "It now emerges that Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle have been secretly briefing against Jeremy Corbyn for the last 9 months. They have constantly fed information to Laura Kuenssberg and the Murdoch press corps about pending coups and dissatisfaction in the Parliamentary Party.They were planning to move against him on several occasions and chickened out'. The debate on the RAF bombing intervention on Syria on the 2.12.15 was to be the preliminary opportunity for Benn to strike by speaking out against the Labour line ( which he did to much Tory applause). This was to be followed up by a no confidence motion after the loss of the Oldham by-election which was confidently predicted by the Murdoch press.The plot fell apart when the Oldham by-election was won by Labour, with UKIP in second place and the Tories beaten into third. Their next attempt was when Shadow Foreign Minister,Stephen Doughty,resigned on air during the BBC's Daily Politics programme on 7.1.16,just before Prime Ministers Questions. Kuenssberg had been briefed by the plotters beforehand and she had fed this information to David Cameron who announced it during PM's Questions to the surprise of the Labour benches. This plot to usurp Jeremy also fell apart. All of Kuenssberg's reports which began with 'a senior Labour spokesman told me....etc.' came from the offices of Benn and Eagle. Kuenssberg was also informed about the present debacle. The conspirators had received news that Corbyn would suggest the impeachment of Tony Blair if the soon to be published Chilcott report on the Iraq war showed any basis of 'war crimes'. The conspirators decided they had to pre-empt this attack on Blair. It was agreed that Benn would initiate the attack on Corbyn. He awoke Corbyn in the early hours of Sunday morning 26.6.16 with a phone call to inform him of his intention to attack him publicly with a statement of his lack of confidence in his leadership. Corbyn had no option but to remove him from post.The plan was then to organise a series of resignations with one being announced roughly every 2 hours to give the impression of a growing revolt. This was designed to keep it in the public eye and they would hopefully then encourage others not involved in the plot to join the bandwagon if they thought the ship was sinking.Initially there were 10 Shadow cabinet members recruited. and Eagles was to be the last one to declare in order to separate any association between Benn and herself.She would make a tearful, on-line resignation speech underlining Jeremy's honesty and goodness but saying he had no leadership skills. "OH ! WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE WHEN FIRST WE PRACTICE TO DECEIVE"

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 29 Jun 16 11.23am

A friend posted this in an email. it may of course all be nonsense.

"It now emerges that Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle have been secretly briefing against Jeremy Corbyn for the last 9 months. They have constantly fed information to Laura Kuenssberg and the Murdoch press corps about pending coups and dissatisfaction in the Parliamentary Party.They were planning to move against him on several occasions and chickened out'. The debate on the RAF bombing intervention on Syria on the 2.12.15 was to be the preliminary opportunity for Benn to strike by
speaking out against the Labour line ( which he did to much Tory
applause). This was to be followed up by a no confidence motion after
the loss of the Oldham by-election which was confidently predicted by
the Murdoch press.The plot fell apart when the Oldham by-election was won by Labour, with UKIP in second place and the Tories beaten into third.
Their next attempt was when Shadow Foreign Minister,Stephen Doughty,resigned on air during the BBC's Daily Politics programme on 7.1.16,just before Prime Ministers Questions. Kuenssberg had been briefed by the plotters beforehand and she had fed this information to David Cameron who announced it during PM's Questions to the surprise of the Labour benches.
This plot to usurp Jeremy also fell apart.
All of Kuenssberg's reports which began with 'a senior Labour spokesman
told me....etc.' came from the offices of Benn and Eagle.
Kuenssberg was also informed about the present debacle. The conspirators had received news that Corbyn would suggest the impeachment of Tony Blair if the soon to be published Chilcott report on the Iraq war showed any basis of 'war crimes'. The conspirators decided they had to pre-empt this attack on Blair. It was agreed that Benn would initiate the attack on Corbyn. He awoke Corbyn in the early hours of Sunday morning 26.6.16 with a phone call to inform him of his intention to attack him publicly with a statement of his lack of confidence in his leadership. Corbyn had
no option but to remove him from post.The plan was then to organise a series of resignations with one being announced roughly every 2 hours to give the impression of a growing revolt. This was designed to keep it in the public eye and they would hopefully then encourage others not involved in the plot to join the bandwagon if they thought the ship was sinking.Initially there were 10 Shadow cabinet members recruited. and Eagles was to be the last one to declare in order to separate any association between Benn and herself.She would make a tearful, on-line resignation speech underlining Jeremy's honesty and goodness but saying he had no leadership skills.
"OH ! WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE WHEN FIRST WE PRACTICE TO DECEIVE"

Hoof Hearted 29 Jun 16 11.30am
Sounds like the script for a film or play? Compo could play Corbyn? Attachment: Compo.jpg (10.34Kb)

Hoof Hearted 29 Jun 16 11.30am

Sounds like the script for a film or play?

Compo could play Corbyn?

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Sportyteacher London 29 Jun 16 11.45am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Can't someone put a pillow over his head? Despite the fact that Hansard provenly informs the general public that UK under Major's Government arms industry dealings knowingly sold chemical weapons to Sadaam Hussein...as did USA; France; Germany etc. By the way, where was Prince Andrew at the time of Al-Megrahi's release from Scottish prison re: Lockerbie bombing? Andrew was photographed in the company of Colonel Gadaffi as Arms Industry Envoy to UK.

Sportyteacher

London 29 Jun 16 11.45am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Can't someone put a pillow over his head?

Despite the fact that Hansard provenly informs the general public that UK under Major's Government arms industry dealings knowingly sold chemical weapons to Sadaam Hussein...as did USA; France; Germany etc.

By the way, where was Prince Andrew at the time of Al-Megrahi's release from Scottish prison re: Lockerbie bombing? Andrew was photographed in the company of Colonel Gadaffi as Arms Industry Envoy to UK.

Sportyteacher London 29 Jun 16 11.48am
Back to Corbyn thread: Pat Glass, Shadow Education Secretary for all of two days, has just resigned citing Corbyn debacle as main reason. That must be a record: TWO days!

Sportyteacher

London 29 Jun 16 11.48am

Back to Corbyn thread: Pat Glass, Shadow Education Secretary for all of two days, has just resigned citing Corbyn debacle as main reason. That must be a record: TWO days!

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 29 Jun 16 11.53am
Originally posted by nickgusset A friend posted this in an email. it may of course all be nonsense. "It now emerges that Hilary Benn and Angela Eagle have been secretly briefing against Jeremy Corbyn for the last 9 months. They have constantly fed information to Laura Kuenssberg and the Murdoch press corps about pending coups and dissatisfaction in the Parliamentary Party.They were planning to move against him on several occasions and chickened out'. The debate on the RAF bombing intervention on Syria on the 2.12.15 was to be the preliminary opportunity for Benn to strike by speaking out against the Labour line ( which he did to much Tory applause). This was to be followed up by a no confidence motion after the loss of the Oldham by-election which was confidently predicted by the Murdoch press.The plot fell apart when the Oldham by-election was won by Labour, with UKIP in second place and the Tories beaten into third. Their next attempt was when Shadow Foreign Minister,Stephen Doughty,resigned on air during the BBC's Daily Politics programme on 7.1.16,just before Prime Ministers Questions. Kuenssberg had been briefed by the plotters beforehand and she had fed this information to David Cameron who announced it during PM's Questions to the surprise of the Labour benches. This plot to usurp Jeremy also fell apart. All of Kuenssberg's reports which began with 'a senior Labour spokesman told me....etc.' came from the offices of Benn and Eagle. Kuenssberg was also informed about the present debacle. The conspirators had received news that Corbyn would suggest the impeachment of Tony Blair if the soon to be published Chilcott report on the Iraq war showed any basis of 'war crimes'. The conspirators decided they had to pre-empt this attack on Blair. It was agreed that Benn would initiate the attack on Corbyn. He awoke Corbyn in the early hours of Sunday morning 26.6.16 with a phone call to inform him of his intention to attack him publicly with a statement of his lack of confidence in his leadership. Corbyn had no option but to remove him from post.The plan was then to organise a series of resignations with one being announced roughly every 2 hours to give the impression of a growing revolt. This was designed to keep it in the public eye and they would hopefully then encourage others not involved in the plot to join the bandwagon if they thought the ship was sinking.Initially there were 10 Shadow cabinet members recruited. and Eagles was to be the last one to declare in order to separate any association between Benn and herself.She would make a tearful, on-line resignation speech underlining Jeremy's honesty and goodness but saying he had no leadership skills. "OH ! WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE WHEN FIRST WE PRACTICE TO DECEIVE" It has a rung of Truth to it but equally there are many tails of threats to MPs if they disagreed with JC. More than one has claimed that they have been threatened with deselection unless they get in line. Rather ironic as JC made a career out of being a professional pain in the arse the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 29 Jun 16 11.53am

Originally posted by nickgusset

It has a rung of Truth to it but equally there are many tails of threats to MPs if they disagreed with JC. More than one has claimed that they have been threatened with deselection unless they get in line. Rather ironic as JC made a career out of being a professional pain in the arse

the dignified don't even enter in the game

OknotOK Cockfosters, London 29 Jun 16 12.26pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch It has a rung of Truth to it but equally there are many tails of threats to MPs if they disagreed with JC. More than one has claimed that they have been threatened with deselection unless they get in line. Rather ironic as JC made a career out of being a professional pain in the arse I think it probably is true. Certainly it appeared staged. Sacking Hillary Benn when he had openly expressed that JC should resign seems like the only viable option to me. So for people to have mock anger at that just seems false. But it is definitely true that JC's team are a bit like the Politburo and going out and threatening and attempting to purge opposition to their pure ideology. "It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

OknotOK

Cockfosters, London 29 Jun 16 12.26pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I think it probably is true. Certainly it appeared staged. Sacking Hillary Benn when he had openly expressed that JC should resign seems like the only viable option to me. So for people to have mock anger at that just seems false.

But it is definitely true that JC's team are a bit like the Politburo and going out and threatening and attempting to purge opposition to their pure ideology.

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 29 Jun 16 12.29pm
Originally posted by OknotOK I think it probably is true. Certainly it appeared staged. Sacking Hillary Benn when he had openly expressed that JC should resign seems like the only viable option to me. So for people to have mock anger at that just seems false. But it is definitely true that JC's team are a bit like the Politburo and going out and threatening and attempting to purge opposition to their pure ideology. Cameron giving Corbyn a kicking at PMQs. Just realised I managed to misspell tales in my previous post the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 29 Jun 16 12.29pm

Originally posted by OknotOK

But it is definitely true that JC's team are a bit like the Politburo and going out and threatening and attempting to purge opposition to their pure ideology.

Cameron giving Corbyn a kicking at PMQs.

Just realised I managed to misspell tales in my previous post

the dignified don't even enter in the game

Hoof Hearted 29 Jun 16 12.34pm
Originally posted by Sportyteacher Despite the fact that Hansard provenly informs the general public that UK under Major's Government arms industry dealings knowingly sold chemical weapons to Sadaam Hussein...as did USA; France; Germany etc. By the way, where was Prince Andrew at the time of Al-Megrahi's release from Scottish prison re: Lockerbie bombing? Andrew was photographed in the company of Colonel Gadaffi as Arms Industry Envoy to UK. Major was another sh1t leader that refused to resign. Prince Andrew probably did the hit on Diana.

Hoof Hearted 29 Jun 16 12.34pm

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Major was another sh1t leader that refused to resign.

Prince Andrew probably did the hit on Diana.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 29 Jun 16 12.39pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Major was another sh1t leader that refused to resign. Prince Andrew probably did the hit on Diana. All that waving around of wooden swords on stage always looked a bit sinister to me as well. It's always the odd and quiet ones. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 29 Jun 16 12.39pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Major was another sh1t leader that refused to resign.

Prince Andrew probably did the hit on Diana.

All that waving around of wooden swords on stage always looked a bit sinister to me as well. It's always the odd and quiet ones.

COYP

davidpercival Croydon 29 Jun 16 1.55pm
Originally posted by Willo Quote nickgusset at 27 Jul 2015 5.02pm How will he make labour more unelectable? I have heard that even IF Corbyn wins the leadership battle he could be ousted by the MPs so he doesn't actually fight the 2020 election. I really don't know if this is a possibility or is being planned. I don't spend my valuable time on 'Labour' politics ! The rules are that the leader is elected by the party members and registered supporters so if Corbyn is re-elected the MPs cannot get rid of him unless they keep getting 50 MPs to start the leader election again and I don't believe the Blairites will be silly enough to try and do that again if they have been beaten twice. What they could do is to declare themselves separate from Labour and elect one of them to be their leader, who presumably would become Leader of the opposition. Then the Labour Party could nominate other people stand against each them that went down that road at the next General Election.

davidpercival

Croydon 29 Jun 16 1.55pm

Originally posted by Willo

Quote nickgusset at 27 Jul 2015 5.02pm

How will he make labour more unelectable?

I have heard that even IF Corbyn wins the leadership battle he could be ousted by the MPs so he doesn't actually fight the 2020 election.

I really don't know if this is a possibility or is being planned. I don't spend my valuable time on 'Labour' politics !

The rules are that the leader is elected by the party members and registered supporters so if Corbyn is re-elected the MPs cannot get rid of him unless they keep getting 50 MPs to start the leader election again and I don't believe the Blairites will be silly enough to try and do that again if they have been beaten twice. What they could do is to declare themselves separate from Labour and elect one of them to be their leader, who presumably would become Leader of the opposition. Then the Labour Party could nominate other people stand against each them that went down that road at the next General Election.

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