It was rather obvious that the Tory manifesto isn't costed, and the two policies mentioned, do not sound like vote winners.

1 Means testing winter payments will cost more than the money saved. This was the argument used by the Tories to remove 50% in their last manifesto.

2 Ring-fencing someone's last 100k isn't going to go far or save people from losing their houses or similar.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

I think there is a battle going on between the Hammond and May camps.

The chancellor is in the impossible position of finding money for Mrs May's recklessness and previously failed to protect his budget so now he is putting up some resistance.

Should have resigned over that he would be in a far better position now and not have to do an impossible job or put up with her.

The ideal revenge would be to resign on election day having carefully arranged for awful economy news to be released at the same time.

I am afraid you are the sort of person that would argue black was white rather than accept that your views are yours and yours alone and the truth and other peoples views mean nothing. I can see why so many refuse to debate with you. Your vote is your vote and my vote is my vote and the party I vote for will win this coming election by a huge majority so you will have to live with the result I am afraid.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

I like Green policies, but I will possibly vote for Labour

22 years eating a vegan diet. Perfectly happy and healthy on it.

I totally accept my views are my own and have not claimed otherwise. I also respect other people's views but don't necessarily agree with them. I find it hard to understand certain views when they are not explained, but simply stated as fact, or just refuting someone else's views without any reasoned critique.

I know you've posted your view that raising taxes will cripple the economy and any additional borrowing will "bankrupt" the UK. I simply don't agree with them and have explained why.

The only person I've seen actively refuse to debate is Willo, and whether that's to stop this become "another Willo thread" or because he can't be bothered or something else who knows.

I thought you lefties were all in favour of raiding inheritance anyway?

Not taking all of it!

This using your house as collateral towards social care is going to lose a lot of votes. People were encouraged into home ownership under Tories, now they're getting their house taken away (that they've paid over theodds for in interest payments) if they get alzheimers. People who were planning to leave assets to their offspring will be disappointed (unless you're well off enough to afford private care anyway)

Edited by nickgusset (18 May 2017 2.22pm)

Ken Clarkson - big fan of Europe

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

Gove has aspirations for being back in the cabinet. And I suppose it was partly also in response to the "lack of quality" about Labour remark. Gove is actually one of the most talented Tory MPs, but he's still capable of a giant facepalm moment.

Specifically I am using "Tories" to refer to Theresa May and her camp/aides. They clearly do not take criticism well. And there has been insufficient scrutiny of both them and their treatment of the media.

When Donald Trump decided to start banning papers from his events it was a scandal that was highlighted in this country. When Theresa May does it, it doesn't even seem to make the other news outlets in *this* country let alone overseas.

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

I don't see how Trump banning media outlets he doesn't like from press conferences is a 'scandal'. He isn't doing anything illegal and they are perfectly free to publish what they want.

While Trump deserves a fair amount of the criticism he gets it's also true that some of it is pretty harsh and over the top.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)