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 silvertop  Portishead 28 Jan 19 6.11pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
The Dems know that if Trump builds the wall, then it will increase his chances of re-election and massively decrease his chances if he doesn't. The Dems have always spoke of increased fencing at the border because it always has been an issue to the American people. Walls have proven to work - just look at the parts of the border where the wall is secure. But the Dems also oppose it mainly because illegal immigrants are Dem voters! You were doing OK till the last sentence
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| .TUX. 28 Jan 19 6.29pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Why don't Americans want the wall? I had a brief look and couldn't find a reason. Is it just because it's trumps idea? Yes.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 28 Jan 19 7.31pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
You were doing OK till the last sentence Why do you think the Dems don't want voter ID introduced? Would you say newly arrived Hispanics vote Democrat or Republican? Hmmmmm! And how about the thousands of illegal votes registered across the US, especially the border states like Texas? Story today 'Potential Non-Citizens Have Cast 58,000 Votes in Texas' [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (28 Jan 2019 7.32pm)
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| .TUX. 28 Jan 19 7.58pm |
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Haters seem to forget (or don't know?) that the 'Wall' was backed by many in the recent past inc Bush, Obama and Clinton.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 28 Jan 19 7.58pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Haters seem to forget (or don't know?) that the 'Wall' was backed by many in the recent past inc Bush, Obama and Clinton. perhaps you should source those.
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| .TUX. 28 Jan 19 8.05pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
perhaps you should source those. I did.
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cryrst  The garden of England 28 Jan 19 8.13pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
perhaps you should source those. Really ?!
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 28 Jan 19 8.36pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Haters seem to forget (or don't know?) that the 'Wall' was backed by many in the recent past inc Bush, Obama and Clinton. So true. It's only racist when Trump wants it! Furthermore, much of the Republican establishment don't want a wall because they like cheap Mexican gardeners and fruit pickers as much as the Democrats.
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| Stirlingsays 28 Jan 19 8.49pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
So true. It's only racist when Trump wants it! Furthermore, much of the Republican establishment don't want a wall because they like cheap Mexican gardeners and fruit pickers as much as the Democrats.
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| .TUX. 28 Jan 19 9.01pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
...........as well as showing that 'big Govt' is really not necessary.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 28 Jan 19 9.06pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
'Trump’s 5bn dollar Border Wall Request Equals 0.11% of Federal Spending' [Link] The Democrats were willing to have the government shut down for not wanting to spend 0.11% of the federal budget. THEY are the ones who should be ashamed.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 28 Jan 19 9.18pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
'Trump’s 5bn dollar Border Wall Request. do you believe it will only take USD 5Bn?
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| Stuk Top half 28 Jan 19 9.25pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
do you believe it will only take USD 5Bn? That's not really the point is it. He asked for 5.7bn of funding for it, rather than stating that it would cost that to do it. They wasted 11bn arguing about it, which will apparently only be a 3bn loss after they've paid the back pay. I don't see how that works either, seeing as not all of those 800,000 employees carried on working while not getting paid. And it's not like he was quite open about doing this in his campaign, which got him elected.
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| Stirlingsays 29 Jan 19 12.39pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Reading this thread from time to time is always good for a laugh. The Trump apologists are pretty much exactly the same bunch who defend Brexit. Just as with Brexit they repeat out of date arguments picked up from sites which sympathise with their prejudices. Go onto any Trump supporters site, or read the responses to the Great Orange Leader's tweets and you will find exactly the same ideas, most of which are created in the minds of buffoons like Alex Jones or on Fox "News". Trump has not been charged with anything. Yet! Mueller has not yet made his report but several of Trump's closest associates have been indicted already and either pleaded guilty or been found guilty. No-one is guilty just by association but common sense says that on the balance of probabilities something is going to be found that links Trump to illegal activity. Using cut outs and employing plausible deniability won't work 100% of the time. That aside his behaviour and ignorance is enough to disqualify him from any kind of public office. Those who apologise for such a man, even if they approve of his political direction, need to take a good hard look at themselves. Trump has been a corporate international business man for over thirty years....and the best you can come up with is 'on the balance of probabilities something is going to be found that links Trump to illegal activity'. Seriously???? Are you kidding me? Of course he's been involved in illegal activity. No one in international business for that long isn't. But there was no Russian collusion nor anything significant in terms of breaking laws that the neutral person on the street would regard as against the country. The sheer other worldliness of commentary like your post seems to be from some naivete social construct rather than from how the real world works. Hate to break it to you....But every politician at the top of the food chain is questionable. You just defend witch hunts because that's what the left do....while at the same time having double standards for your own political tribe.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 29 Jan 19 12.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Reading this thread from time to time is always good for a laugh. The Trump apologists are pretty much exactly the same bunch who defend Brexit. Just as with Brexit they repeat out of date arguments picked up from sites which sympathise with their prejudices. Go onto any Trump supporters site, or read the responses to the Great Orange Leader's tweets and you will find exactly the same ideas, most of which are created in the minds of buffoons like Alex Jones or on Fox "News". Trump has not been charged with anything. Yet! Mueller has not yet made his report but several of Trump's closest associates have been indicted already and either pleaded guilty or been found guilty. No-one is guilty just by association but common sense says that on the balance of probabilities something is going to be found that links Trump to illegal activity. Using cut outs and employing plausible deniability won't work 100% of the time. That aside his behaviour and ignorance is enough to disqualify him from any kind of public office. Those who apologise for such a man, even if they approve of his political direction, need to take a good hard look at themselves. Would be nice if you could debate some of the points with facts, reason and logic. But you have nothing! So instead resort to the common left-wing tactic of smearing the other side as stupid. Sad.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jan 19 1.09pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Trump has been a corporate international business man for over thirty years....and the best you can come up with is 'on the balance of probabilities something is going to be found that links Trump to illegal activity'. Seriously???? Are you kidding me? Of course he's been involved in illegal activity. No one in international business for that long isn't. But there was no Russian collusion nor anything significant in terms of breaking laws that the neutral person on the street would regard as against the country. The sheer other worldliness of commentary like your post seems to be from some naivete social construct rather than from how the real world works. Hate to break it to you....But every politician at the top of the food chain is questionable. You just defend witch hunts because that's what the left do....while at the same time having double standards for your own political tribe. As I have told you before I am NOT on the left side of politics. I am a traditional conservative voter who believes in capitalism, but with a safety net to catch and protect the genuinely disadvantaged. I believe in rewarding enterprise and not rewarding laziness. I also believe in lawfulness and high standards of integrity, fairness and morality from those in high office. That Trump has been "in business for 30 years" does not qualify him for being anything other than being Trump. NY state have their teeth into him now, so as well as the Mueller enquiry he faces jeopardy from several directions. Many businessmen end up in jail with their reputations ruined if they deliberately flout the law. Has Trump? Only time will tell. Until Mueller reports no-one can say for sure what will transpire. That no charges have yet been laid is obvious, but to claim that this means there has been no collusion, or other significant illegality, is to presume far too much. I don't presume, but I do read extensively and watch the straws in the wind. Most of what has happened so far was predicted in the Steele dossier. Not all of that dossier is thought to be true but enough has already been proved to be true for Trump to be very concerned, as his body language and tweeting confirm. If I was a betting man, which I am not, I would take odds of 5 to 1 on of his being accused of something, and expect to win. I think it's much more likely than not. Describing investigations as "witch hunts" is what the guilty do. If you are innocent then you have nothing to fear from any investigation. If your crimes are technical or minor then the punishment will reflect that. Many politicians get slapped wrists for crossing lines. Nixon described Watergate as a "witch hunt" and looked what happened to him. The current one has already turned up quite a lot of witches.
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