More those who wrongly believe that they are morally superior but are in reality, just deluded fools.

To repeat, Mueller did not exonerate Trump from either "collusion" (which is not actually a crime) or obstruction. He made no judgements because that was not his role. It is either for a Judge to make, once Trump leaves office and is indicted, or for Congress to make if he is impeached prior to leaving office.

So you are 100% wrong to claim, as Trump does, that "There was no Russian collusion". There were just no Russian collusion indictments issued against Trump by Mueller because there were NO indictments of any kind issued by Mueller naming Trump because of the DoJ's reluctance to indict a sitting President. There have though been many indictments of Trump associates which also have Russian connections, alongside indictments of some Russians. No conspiracies involved. Just rock solid fact. There are others still in process in other courts, witnessed by the redactions.

Congress is now seeking to dig deeper into the background by following up the lead given to them by Mueller. Trump's blatant obstruction of their oversight role is plain to see, aided and abetted by a compliant AJ. The latest being him issuing an instruction to Don McGahn not to testify, using the flimsiest of excuses.

Are these the actions of an innocent man who just wants to be left alone to do his job?

Surely an innocent man, with nothing to hide or fear, would allow unfettered access to everyone and everything, clear up all doubt and make a fool of his accusers!

I know what my conclusion is and I think most objective observers come to the same one.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I've heard your argument millions of times in different ways and words, its borring.
We voted leave, not a deal. We voted a government into office with a leave manifesto, May has said over 100 times we are leaving,a majority voted for artical 50.

We are leaving and it's you and your type that have brought on the problems We have.
Sore losers.

I getting bored with repeating myself while you do your usual dancing around playing with terminology.

Here is a link to a podcast by Sam Harris (no fan of Trump). The podcast is called, 'What Does the Mueller Report Really Say? (with Benjamin Wittes)'.

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That formed my view as to what is actually actionable. Now unless you have something new to say on the matter go and bore someone else.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Do you ever tire of double talk?

You don't believe in the validity of the Referendum but you are happy to have another one.

Doublethink nonsense.

May will be toast soon.

Then it will be Boris Johnson, or someone like Gove or Hunt maybe in the infamous hot seat.

However none of those possible changes in leadership result in any majority for a no deal exit, and before May leaves, her deal will finally be consigned to the scrap heap.

So where does that leave things?

Totally stuck in a quagmire.

Like it or not, and we can argue many times about what questions should be on there, and how to count those votes, a second referendum is the only mechanism by which the country can move out of the impasse.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Please not Gove as it's all his fault that we are in this mess.

If he hadn't knifed his so called friend in the back Boris Johnson would have been Prime Minister instead of May and we would have been extricated from Europe by now

I have consistently argued AGAINST a second referendum and FOR Parliament to do it's job.

If though they need to consult the people again to see if they will confirm whatever decision they make then that's their decision.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

As the EU elections are a distraction and a waste of time and money they will do no such thing.

Only the highly motivated will bother to turn out so they will tell us nothing and mean even less.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

But this is the narrative that I struggle with. How can you re-run a vote on leaving the EU and still ask people to believe in our democracy?

I actually believe that it would be better for the country for Parliament to just revoke A50. We can then vote in a party with a manifesto promise to start it all off again and our loathing remains focused on politicans.

But a second referendum with Remain as an option? I can only speak for myself but I will not vote/or spoil the ballot paper.. And actively encourage everybody I know to do similar.

And you get a Remain victory. Probably by a huge margin but on a substantially reduced turn out.

Why would that second vote solve anything? I genuinely struggle to get my head around why anybody in their right mind could honestly believe that making us vote again solves a single part of this? All it does it make matters 100 times worse. It destroys us. Brexit does not fade away. It haunts any and everything that happens in the UK.

It scares me. It genuinely does.

A second referendum with a Remain option would be the most catastrophic peace-time event in the UK's history. And I suspect herald the end of the UK in any kind of recognisable form.

Stabbed in the back narratives poison everybody. Including those who wield the knife in the first place.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.