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matt_himself Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.13am
Originally posted by nickgusset I seem to recall you assuming lots of things about HoL users. Hypocrisy rules. Good morning Gusset. See you are going for man, not ball. How hypocritical after everything you said yesterday. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.13am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I seem to recall you assuming lots of things about HoL users. Hypocrisy rules.

Good morning Gusset. See you are going for man, not ball. How hypocritical after everything you said yesterday.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.14am
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch Look through earlier posts on this thread. The amount of people already saying "The Establishment" wont let Leave win. Conspiracy theories and the internet, it unfortunately doesn't take much I agree. I don't know how any person can say that either campaign has acted or will act with dignity. Both are as bad as each other. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.14am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Look through earlier posts on this thread. The amount of people already saying "The Establishment" wont let Leave win. Conspiracy theories and the internet, it unfortunately doesn't take much

I agree. I don't know how any person can say that either campaign has acted or will act with dignity. Both are as bad as each other.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.17am
Originally posted by matt_himself Good morning Gusset. See you are going for man, not ball. How hypocritical after everything you said yesterday. Perhaps, but you need calling out on it.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.17am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Good morning Gusset. See you are going for man, not ball. How hypocritical after everything you said yesterday.

Perhaps, but you need calling out on it.

beagle pom tiddly om pom pom 20 Jun 16 9.18am
Originally posted by nickgusset Still don't know... I'm waiting to see if anyone from the eu pops up in the week to wave a carrot at us. Well, I'm still on the fence on the issue. I'm instinctively sceptical of the EU, its bureaucracy, its political aims and its ability to reform itself. For me, the EU is the epitome of a vast oil tanker that can't react quickly or change course. However, I'm not a rabid rightwing fascist. I'm pro immigration. The immigration 'issue' isn't an issue for me in this referendum. In fact, I'd prefer to remain in the EU if the likes of Farage and supporters of 'that poster' were to have their hand on the country's tiller. There are some thoroughly distasteful people in the Brexit camp who's vision of what a post-Brexit Britain should look like doesn't square with mine. And so (maybe like you) I keep reading all differing opinions in the media looking for whatever it is that will give me 'certainty'. When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep. Not screaming and terrified. Like his passengers.

beagle

pom tiddly om pom pom 20 Jun 16 9.18am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Still don't know...
I'm waiting to see if anyone from the eu pops up in the week to wave a carrot at us.

Well, I'm still on the fence on the issue.

I'm instinctively sceptical of the EU, its bureaucracy, its political aims and its ability to reform itself. For me, the EU is the epitome of a vast oil tanker that can't react quickly or change course.

However, I'm not a rabid rightwing fascist. I'm pro immigration. The immigration 'issue' isn't an issue for me in this referendum.

In fact, I'd prefer to remain in the EU if the likes of Farage and supporters of 'that poster' were to have their hand on the country's tiller. There are some thoroughly distasteful people in the Brexit camp who's vision of what a post-Brexit Britain should look like doesn't square with mine.

And so (maybe like you) I keep reading all differing opinions in the media looking for whatever it is that will give me 'certainty'.

When the time comes, I want die just like my Dad - at peace and asleep.
Not screaming and terrified.
Like his passengers.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jun 16 9.22am
Originally posted by matt_himself And, conversely, where is the Remain campaign's detailed description of how they will instigate and enact the fundamental reforms the EU needs following a Remain win? Both campaigns have been low on detail. Dear Matt The EU is structurally incapable of reform. Junker the unelected president of the "European Commission" views intransigence as a great strength with the surival of the EU and the single currency as a major priority. Edited by Willo (20 Jun 2016 9.31am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jun 16 9.22am

Originally posted by matt_himself

And, conversely, where is the Remain campaign's detailed description of how they will instigate and enact the fundamental reforms the EU needs following a Remain win?

Both campaigns have been low on detail.

Dear Matt

The EU is structurally incapable of reform.
Junker the unelected president of the "European Commission" views intransigence as a great strength with the surival of the EU and the single currency as a major priority.

Edited by Willo (20 Jun 2016 9.31am)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.25am
Originally posted by beagle Well, I'm still on the fence on the issue. I'm instinctively sceptical of the EU, its bureaucracy, its political aims and its ability to reform itself. For me, the EU is the epitome of a vast oil tanker that can't react quickly or change course. However, I'm not a rabid rightwing fascist. I'm pro immigration. The immigration 'issue' isn't an issue for me in this referendum. In fact, I'd prefer to remain in the EU if the likes of Farage and supporters of 'that poster' were to have their hand on the country's tiller. There are some thoroughly distasteful people in the Brexit camp who's vision of what a post-Brexit Britain should look like doesn't square with mine. And so (maybe like you) I keep reading all differing opinions in the media looking for whatever it is that will give me 'certainty'. I'll be honest and say I'd respect Farage more if he actually voted in the European parliament. He moans about fishing quotas, claimed expenses for being in thr parliament on that day, yet none of the UKIP mep's voted. The more I read and hear, the harder it is to decide This video sums up the complexity of the decision very well. [Link] (quite smeary)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.25am

Originally posted by beagle

Well, I'm still on the fence on the issue.

However, I'm not a rabid rightwing fascist. I'm pro immigration. The immigration 'issue' isn't an issue for me in this referendum.

And so (maybe like you) I keep reading all differing opinions in the media looking for whatever it is that will give me 'certainty'.

I'll be honest and say I'd respect Farage more if he actually voted in the European parliament. He moans about fishing quotas, claimed expenses for being in thr parliament on that day, yet none of the UKIP mep's voted.

The more I read and hear, the harder it is to decide

This video sums up the complexity of the decision very well.

[Link]

(quite smeary)

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jun 16 9.27am
Originally posted by beagle However, I'm not a rabid rightwing fascist. I'm pro immigration. The immigration 'issue' isn't an issue for me in this referendum. . With respect, "Brexiteers" in general are not against immigration per se.It is the uncontrolled immigration that is the real issue.I really do NOT wish to live in a country with a population of 75 million and the enormous impact that will have on public services, housing etc etc.I mention "Country" - we will just be a state in a "United States of Europe" if we remain in the EU because this is their primary aim. Edited by Willo (20 Jun 2016 9.28am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Jun 16 9.27am

Originally posted by beagle

However, I'm not a rabid rightwing fascist. I'm pro immigration. The immigration 'issue' isn't an issue for me in this referendum.

With respect, "Brexiteers" in general are not against immigration per se.It is the uncontrolled immigration that is the real issue.I really do NOT wish to live in a country with a population of 75 million and the enormous impact that will have on public services, housing etc etc.I mention "Country" - we will just be a state in a "United States of Europe" if we remain in the EU because this is their primary aim.

Edited by Willo (20 Jun 2016 9.28am)

matt_himself Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.29am
Originally posted by Willo Dear Matt The EU is strucurally incapable of reform. Junker the unelected president of the "European Commission" views intransigence as a great strength with the surival of the EU and the single currency as a major priority. I agree. It was my question to Trottyteacher to answer. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.29am

Originally posted by Willo

Dear Matt

The EU is strucurally incapable of reform.
Junker the unelected president of the "European Commission" views intransigence as a great strength with the surival of the EU and the single currency as a major priority.

I agree. It was my question to Trottyteacher to answer.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.30am
Originally posted by nickgusset Perhaps, but you need calling out on it. Utter bollocks Gusset. You just want to start a fight. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.30am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Perhaps, but you need calling out on it.

Utter bollocks Gusset. You just want to start a fight.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.33am
Originally posted by nickgusset I'll be honest and say I'd respect Farage more if he actually voted in the European parliament. He moans about fishing quotas, claimed expenses for being in thr parliament on that day, yet none of the UKIP mep's voted. The more I read and hear, the harder it is to decide This video sums up the complexity of the decision very well. [Link] (quite smeary) Conversely, do you view Gerry Adams' acceptance of Westminiater expenses, a man who has never voted in the Commons, the act of a principled politician or do you have the same level of respect for him as you do Farage? We all know you are going to do what Corbyn did and turn your back on principle, vote Remain and try to undermine Cameron. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.33am

Originally posted by nickgusset

The more I read and hear, the harder it is to decide

This video sums up the complexity of the decision very well.

[Link]

(quite smeary)

Conversely, do you view Gerry Adams' acceptance of Westminiater expenses, a man who has never voted in the Commons, the act of a principled politician or do you have the same level of respect for him as you do Farage?

We all know you are going to do what Corbyn did and turn your back on principle, vote Remain and try to undermine Cameron.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.37am
Originally posted by matt_himself I agree. It was my question to Trottyteacher to answer. Name calling now. Good work.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.37am

Originally posted by matt_himself

I agree. It was my question to Trottyteacher to answer.

Name calling now. Good work.

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 20 Jun 16 9.43am
Originally posted by beagle Well, I'm still on the fence on the issue. I'm instinctively sceptical of the EU, its bureaucracy, its political aims and its ability to reform itself. For me, the EU is the epitome of a vast oil tanker that can't react quickly or change course. However, I'm not a rabid rightwing fascist. I'm pro immigration. The immigration 'issue' isn't an issue for me in this referendum. In fact, I'd prefer to remain in the EU if the likes of Farage and supporters of 'that poster' were to have their hand on the country's tiller. There are some thoroughly distasteful people in the Brexit camp who's vision of what a post-Brexit Britain should look like doesn't square with mine. And so (maybe like you) I keep reading all differing opinions in the media looking for whatever it is that will give me 'certainty'. I have gone from Remain, to unsure, to probably Remain though at this stage I am not sure I will even bother voting. Get three fifths of bugger all in concessions was extremely disappointing and it shows the contempt some of the member nations have for us. As mentioned previously, the tone of the debate from both sides is utterly shameful. My fear if Brexit win is what type of government we end up with. the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 20 Jun 16 9.43am

Originally posted by beagle

Well, I'm still on the fence on the issue.

However, I'm not a rabid rightwing fascist. I'm pro immigration. The immigration 'issue' isn't an issue for me in this referendum.

In fact, I'd prefer to remain in the EU if the likes of Farage and supporters of 'that poster' were to have their hand on the country's tiller. There are some thoroughly distasteful people in the Brexit camp who's vision of what a post-Brexit Britain should look like doesn't square with mine.

And so (maybe like you) I keep reading all differing opinions in the media looking for whatever it is that will give me 'certainty'.

I have gone from Remain, to unsure, to probably Remain though at this stage I am not sure I will even bother voting.

Get three fifths of bugger all in concessions was extremely disappointing and it shows the contempt some of the member nations have for us.

As mentioned previously, the tone of the debate from both sides is utterly shameful.

My fear if Brexit win is what type of government we end up with.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.43am
Originally posted by matt_himself Conversely, do you view Gerry Adams' acceptance of Westminiater expenses, a man who has never voted in the Commons, the act of a principled politician or do you have the same level of respect for him as you do Farage? We all know you are going to do what Corbyn did and turn your back on principle, vote Remain and try to undermine Cameron. Another assumption. more incorrect pronoun usage. Part of Sinn Feins manifesto included the fact that (wrongly in my view) that they would refuse to vote. People voted knowing this. Did UKIP say they were not going to vote in the EU parliament as part of their manifesto? To be honest I don't know the answer to that. However, for Nigel to stand on a boat with fishermen saying he supports them, knowing he didn't vote against the quotas shows what a charlatan he is. Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2016 9.45am)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.43am

Originally posted by matt_himself

We all know you are going to do what Corbyn did and turn your back on principle, vote Remain and try to undermine Cameron.

Another assumption. more incorrect pronoun usage.

Part of Sinn Feins manifesto included the fact that (wrongly in my view) that they would refuse to vote. People voted knowing this.

Did UKIP say they were not going to vote in the EU parliament as part of their manifesto? To be honest I don't know the answer to that.

However, for Nigel to stand on a boat with fishermen saying he supports them, knowing he didn't vote against the quotas shows what a charlatan he is.

Edited by nickgusset (20 Jun 2016 9.45am)

matt_himself Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.44am
Originally posted by nickgusset Name calling now. Good work. See, you cannot resist a fight, can you? Why didn't you call out Trottyteacher when he called me 'Toryboy'? More double standards Gusset. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.44am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Name calling now. Good work.

See, you cannot resist a fight, can you?

Why didn't you call out Trottyteacher when he called me 'Toryboy'? More double standards Gusset.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.45am
Originally posted by nickgusset Another assumption. more incorrect pronoun usage. Part of Sinn Feins manifesto included the fact that (wrongly in my view) that they would refuse to vote. People voted knowing this. Did UKIP say they were not going to vote in the EU parliament as part of their manifesto? Yo be honest I don't know the answer to that. However, for Nigel to stand on a boat with fishermen saying he supports them, knowing he didn't vote against the quotas shows what a rogue he is. Bored today Gusset? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 20 Jun 16 9.45am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Another assumption. more incorrect pronoun usage.

Part of Sinn Feins manifesto included the fact that (wrongly in my view) that they would refuse to vote. People voted knowing this.

Did UKIP say they were not going to vote in the EU parliament as part of their manifesto? Yo be honest I don't know the answer to that.

However, for Nigel to stand on a boat with fishermen saying he supports them, knowing he didn't vote against the quotas shows what a rogue he is.

Bored today Gusset?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.46am
Originally posted by matt_himself See, you cannot resist a fight, can you? Why didn't you call out Trottyteacher when he called me 'Toryboy'? More double standards Gusset. My name is Nick. Show some respect. Sporty teacher no name calling please. Happy now?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.46am

Originally posted by matt_himself

See, you cannot resist a fight, can you?

Why didn't you call out Trottyteacher when he called me 'Toryboy'? More double standards Gusset.

My name is Nick. Show some respect.
Sporty teacher no name calling please.

Happy now?

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.48am
Originally posted by matt_himself Bored today Gusset? Not answering the point? How unusual, and you showed such promise yesterday Actually I'm enjoying the last couple of days of my 6 month sabbatical from work.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 Jun 16 9.48am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Bored today Gusset?

Not answering the point? How unusual, and you showed such promise yesterday

Actually I'm enjoying the last couple of days of my 6 month sabbatical from work.

Rubin 20 Jun 16 10.17am
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch I have gone from Remain, to unsure, to probably Remain though at this stage I am not sure I will even bother voting. Get three fifths of bugger all in concessions was extremely disappointing and it shows the contempt some of the member nations have for us. As mentioned previously, the tone of the debate from both sides is utterly shameful. My fear if Brexit win is what type of government we end up with. All I'll say is that you can vote to change a government. You can't vote to change the EU. Edited by Rubin (20 Jun 2016 10.18am)

Rubin

20 Jun 16 10.17am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I have gone from Remain, to unsure, to probably Remain though at this stage I am not sure I will even bother voting.

Get three fifths of bugger all in concessions was extremely disappointing and it shows the contempt some of the member nations have for us.

As mentioned previously, the tone of the debate from both sides is utterly shameful.

My fear if Brexit win is what type of government we end up with.

All I'll say is that you can vote to change a government. You can't vote to change the EU.

Edited by Rubin (20 Jun 2016 10.18am)

snytaxx London 20 Jun 16 10.27am
Originally posted by nickgusset Not answering the point? How unusual, and you showed such promise yesterday Actually I'm enjoying the last couple of days of my 6 month sabbatical from work. Have you declared for remain yet Nick? Alternatively, you could do a Baroness Warsi and defect from a campaign you were never part of.

snytaxx

London 20 Jun 16 10.27am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Not answering the point? How unusual, and you showed such promise yesterday

Actually I'm enjoying the last couple of days of my 6 month sabbatical from work.

Have you declared for remain yet Nick?

Alternatively, you could do a Baroness Warsi and defect from a campaign you were never part of.

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 20 Jun 16 10.41am
Originally posted by Rubin All I'll say is that you can vote to change a government. You can't vote to change the EU. Edited by Rubin (20 Jun 2016 10.18am) But, the EU will still have considerable influence in how the goverbment govern, Three years of BoJo & Gove could do enough damage to last two - three times longer than that. the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 20 Jun 16 10.41am

Originally posted by Rubin

All I'll say is that you can vote to change a government. You can't vote to change the EU.

Edited by Rubin (20 Jun 2016 10.18am)

But, the EU will still have considerable influence in how the goverbment govern,

Three years of BoJo & Gove could do enough damage to last two - three times longer than that.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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