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 dannyboy1978  09 Jun 21 6.08pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Are you surprised when black schoolkids do very badly? How do we expect to get the next generation of business leaders and professional people. We have to address the poor educational performance if we can do this the rest will fall into place. I don't believe FTSE companies are being racist but the pool of black talent is limited, we need to broaden and deepen that pool. Have you seen Whitgift, it's mainly Asian and black kids , your point?
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| dannyboy1978 09 Jun 21 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I regularly observe people under-estimating those from ethnic minorities. When given a level playing field they do well. I just put the first Director onto our Exec from an ethnic minority group. Without my efforts there is almost zero chance that would happen. He needed coaching, support and someone to merchandise him inside the organisation. When he got it he blossomed. Wouldn't you do that to anyone? Or just because of their ethnicity, sounds racist to me.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 09 Jun 21 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Because people always under-estimated him, IMO due to his African roots. I had a huge blow-up with the CEO and forced her to realise what was happening. They keep doing the same with one of our Care Home managers because she has a strong African accent. She is incredibly clever. Edited by Mapletree (09 Jun 2021 4.58pm) good for her. and by the same token, we have all worked with pale eejits who talk like Prince Charles and are barely capable of making a cup of tea.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 09 Jun 21 7.33pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Have you seen Whitgift, it's mainly Asian and black kids , your point? I thought my point was quite clear. It's no good complaining that black people are discriminated against for the top job if they don't have the qualifications in the first place. This all starts with education, Mapletree says that the numbers of blacks going to Uni has increased ergo in 20 years time there should be a big talent pool.
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| dannyboy1978 09 Jun 21 7.42pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I thought my point was quite clear. It's no good complaining that black people are discriminated against for the top job if they don't have the qualifications in the first place. This all starts with education, Mapletree says that the numbers of blacks going to Uni has increased ergo in 20 years time there should be a big talent pool. If they haven't got the qualifications now then why are people moaning there isn't enough black people in director positions.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 09 Jun 21 9.22pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
If they haven't got the qualifications now then why are people moaning there isn't enough black people in director positions. Exactly my point.
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| DanH SW2 09 Jun 21 9.46pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Exactly my point. It is a fair point, but women have more often than not outperformed men academically, and that isn’t reflected in the make up of leadership positions in business.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 09 Jun 21 9.50pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
It is a fair point, but women have more often than not outperformed men academically, and that isn’t reflected in the make up of leadership positions in business. What point are you trying to make here Dan? That only white, hetro men discriminate?
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 09 Jun 21 9.56pm |
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Good interview with Simon Jordan who talks about BLM and politics in sport. [Link]
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| DanH SW2 09 Jun 21 10.03pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
What point are you trying to make here Dan? That only white, hetro men discriminate? Nope, not in the slightest. That it’s heavily weighted in that direction not through merit alone.
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| Stirlingsays 09 Jun 21 10.04pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
It is a fair point, but women have more often than not outperformed men academically, and that isn’t reflected in the make up of leadership positions in business. If the latter bothers you why doesn't the former?
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| DanH SW2 09 Jun 21 10.15pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If the latter bothers you why doesn't the former? That women out perform men academically?
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| Stirlingsays 09 Jun 21 10.17pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
That women out perform men academically? Well, its a generalization because more go, but yes.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 09 Jun 21 10.20pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
That women out perform men academically? Women also often lose much of their prime working years to raising families.
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| DanH SW2 09 Jun 21 10.22pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, its a generalization because more go, but yes. I’ve never really thought about it too much to be honest with you, and know there’s been periods where it has been the reverse. I’ve always just put it down to females being more studious/attentive at a young age and get better grades whereas as soon as a guy hits 15/16 he’s trying to shag anything that moves (and is in the pub in any downtime from that).
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| DanH SW2 09 Jun 21 10.25pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Women also often lose much of their prime working years to raising families. Obviously it’s a factor but if a woman has 2 kids that’s 2 years out of a 40 year odd career. It shouldn’t make that much difference. There’s lots of reasons why there’s a disparity at senior levels/in pay. It’s obviously not purely down to discriminatory factors but it certainly is prevalent.
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| Stirlingsays 09 Jun 21 10.27pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
I’ve never really thought about it too much to be honest with you, and know there’s been periods where it has been the reverse. I’ve always just put it down to females being more studious/attentive at a young age and get better grades whereas as soon as a guy hits 15/16 he’s trying to shag anything that moves (and is in the pub in any downtime from that). The bell curve and Tom's answer pretty much are the reasons. In my view, children need their mothers more than the workplace needs another time slave. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2021 10.28pm)
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| Stirlingsays 09 Jun 21 10.29pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Obviously it’s a factor but if a woman has 2 kids that’s 2 years out of a 40 year odd career. It shouldn’t make that much difference. There’s lots of reasons why there’s a disparity at senior levels/in pay. It’s obviously not purely down to discriminatory factors but it certainly is prevalent. Two years? You think that most women only want two years for two children?
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| DanH SW2 09 Jun 21 10.31pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Two years? You think that most women only want two years for two children? If you take your maternity entitlement for each child then it’s two years. I know many take more if they can afford it/childcare costs often make it pointless going back full time anyway.
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| DanH SW2 09 Jun 21 10.34pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The bell curve and Tom's answer pretty much are the reasons. In my view, children need their mothers more than the workplace needs another time slave. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jun 2021 10.28pm) I agree. Modern women want careers too though and you could make the same argument about needing fathers too.
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