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rossboss29 Flag Portsmouth 20 Jan 14 4.06pm Send a Private Message to rossboss29 Add rossboss29 as a friend

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Quote Master Coin at 20 Jan 2014 3.43pm

Quote rossboss29 at 19 Jan 2014 10.02pm

He isn't going to score goals, but he played his role on perfection yesterday. Defending a 1-0 lead, he is the perfect player. A defensive striker if you will. Opinions. I'd bring him in.

Was his job yesterday to squander 2 gilt-edged chances then rather than just burying the game? We had several extra minutes of squeaky bum time because he is so low on confidence in front of goal that he tried to side foot it in from 25 yards rather than race forwards onto a practically open goal and then take it with composure.

Not for me thanks. He tries hard but isn't good enough and I don't think you can afford to carry him on the bench every week. On top of that I feel like he is one of those players who will just stifle the development of some of our academy lads.



As in laying off a clever dummy that had the defenders truely baffled and a shot from 25 yards. Hardly gilt edged chance, he would never of outpaced their defenders from that distance.
Also he was great at holding up the ball and wasting valuable seconds, would you rather a lightweight gayle running his socks off when the ball is lumped up to him or someone who can get hold of it and ward off defenders?

 

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rossboss29 Flag Portsmouth 20 Jan 14 4.08pm Send a Private Message to rossboss29 Add rossboss29 as a friend

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Don't get me wrong, gayle is a brilliant player to come on when we are chasing a game, but when in a winning postion wilbs would be the ideal stiker to come on when defending a lead.

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gary3a Flag bromley 20 Jan 14 4.22pm Send a Private Message to gary3a Add gary3a as a friend

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He scored today and set one up for the development squad.

 

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Quote Master Coin at 20 Jan 2014 3.43pm

Quote rossboss29 at 19 Jan 2014 10.02pm

He isn't going to score goals, but he played his role on perfection yesterday. Defending a 1-0 lead, he is the perfect player. A defensive striker if you will. Opinions. I'd bring him in.

Was his job yesterday to squander 2 gilt-edged chances then rather than just burying the game? We had several extra minutes of squeaky bum time because he is so low on confidence in front of goal that he tried to side foot it in from 25 yards rather than race forwards onto a practically open goal and then take it with composure.

agree 100%



 

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Master Coin Flag 20 Jan 14 4.45pm Send a Private Message to Master Coin Add Master Coin as a friend

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Quote rossboss29 at 20 Jan 2014 4.06pm

Quote Master Coin at 20 Jan 2014 3.43pm

Quote rossboss29 at 19 Jan 2014 10.02pm

He isn't going to score goals, but he played his role on perfection yesterday. Defending a 1-0 lead, he is the perfect player. A defensive striker if you will. Opinions. I'd bring him in.

Was his job yesterday to squander 2 gilt-edged chances then rather than just burying the game? We had several extra minutes of squeaky bum time because he is so low on confidence in front of goal that he tried to side foot it in from 25 yards rather than race forwards onto a practically open goal and then take it with composure.

Not for me thanks. He tries hard but isn't good enough and I don't think you can afford to carry him on the bench every week. On top of that I feel like he is one of those players who will just stifle the development of some of our academy lads.



As in laying off a clever dummy that had the defenders truely baffled and a shot from 25 yards. Hardly gilt edged chance, he would never of outpaced their defenders from that distance.
Also he was great at holding up the ball and wasting valuable seconds, would you rather a lightweight gayle running his socks off when the ball is lumped up to him or someone who can get hold of it and ward off defenders?

Clearly though you wouldn't just "lump the ball up to Gayle" - you'd play incisive through balls for him to run onto by outpacing the defense. You're comparing apples with oranges.

If we really need a player to play the role of "wasting a trivial amount of seconds before losing the ball" then so be it. However I'd rather this was a secondary skillset tacked onto the skillset of somebody who was competent at a few other things - possibly even including scoring goals.

Personally, if we need to waste time towards the end of the game, I'd rather do that by passing the ball around and denying the opposition the ability to get the ball than dicking around near the corner flag for 10 seconds. Holding the ball in the corner is the mark of an underdog team in a cup game trying to close out an upset. They aren't good enough to pass the ball around to kill off the game so they play for the corner. This is okay in that scenario and is acceptable since you're such an underdog that you cannot be reasonably expected to outplay teams. I'd even say I'd be happy to do it if we were somehow trying to nick points off the likes of Man City / Arsenal in a league game.

In a game against Stoke however (one in which we'd been the better team throughout anyway) I'd rather we'd just played to close the game out through continuing to outclass them.

 

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danincyp Flag Old Bexley 20 Jan 14 7.09pm Send a Private Message to danincyp Add danincyp as a friend

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defensive striker. he certainly defended the stoke goal with that sidefoot.

 


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herefordeagle Flag Hereford 20 Jan 14 9.19pm Send a Private Message to herefordeagle Add herefordeagle as a friend

He did well - get off his back. That's all folks. I bid you goodnight

 


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Quote Master Coin at 20 Jan 2014 4.45pm

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Wilbs in the 25 man squad' by Penge Eagle

Quote rossboss29 at 20 Jan 2014 4.06pm

Quote Master Coin at 20 Jan 2014 3.43pm

Quote rossboss29 at 19 Jan 2014 10.02pm

He isn't going to score goals, but he played his role on perfection yesterday. Defending a 1-0 lead, he is the perfect player. A defensive striker if you will. Opinions. I'd bring him in.

Was his job yesterday to squander 2 gilt-edged chances then rather than just burying the game? We had several extra minutes of squeaky bum time because he is so low on confidence in front of goal that he tried to side foot it in from 25 yards rather than race forwards onto a practically open goal and then take it with composure.

Not for me thanks. He tries hard but isn't good enough and I don't think you can afford to carry him on the bench every week. On top of that I feel like he is one of those players who will just stifle the development of some of our academy lads.



As in laying off a clever dummy that had the defenders truely baffled and a shot from 25 yards. Hardly gilt edged chance, he would never of outpaced their defenders from that distance.
Also he was great at holding up the ball and wasting valuable seconds, would you rather a lightweight gayle running his socks off when the ball is lumped up to him or someone who can get hold of it and ward off defenders?

Clearly though you wouldn't just "lump the ball up to Gayle" - you'd play incisive through balls for him to run onto by outpacing the defense. You're comparing apples with oranges.

If we really need a player to play the role of "wasting a trivial amount of seconds before losing the ball" then so be it. However I'd rather this was a secondary skillset tacked onto the skillset of somebody who was competent at a few other things - possibly even including scoring goals.

Personally, if we need to waste time towards the end of the game, I'd rather do that by passing the ball around and denying the opposition the ability to get the ball than dicking around near the corner flag for 10 seconds. Holding the ball in the corner is the mark of an underdog team in a cup game trying to close out an upset. They aren't good enough to pass the ball around to kill off the game so they play for the corner. This is okay in that scenario and is acceptable since you're such an underdog that you cannot be reasonably expected to outplay teams. I'd even say I'd be happy to do it if we were somehow trying to nick points off the likes of Man City / Arsenal in a league game.

In a game against Stoke however (one in which we'd been the better team throughout anyway) I'd rather we'd just played to close the game out through continuing to outclass them.


No. We did EXACTLY the right thing. And we used the right men for the job with Wilbs and Moxey. It's games like this where the ability to make the game go to sleep really comes into play. When Wilbs ran for the corner instead of towards the goal I was breathing a sigh of relief. A sign of a brain, not of a defeatist attitude. It was too late in the game to take chances.

 

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