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Pussay Patrol 24 Feb 15 11.04pm
Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 9.46pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 9.39pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 9.15pm Quote pefwin at 24 Feb 2015 8.58pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 8.06pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 7.53pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 7.51pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 7.47pm Quote pefwin at 24 Feb 2015 7.25pm Quote nickgusset at 23 Feb 2015 10.50pm . How many people have not been re-deployed and how many have not got an ill health pension? I don't know to be fair. All I've heard is anecdotal from some Fire Brigade friends who say people they've worked with have had their pension payout reduced through enforced early retirement. Every line of work I've ever had has had reduced pension rights if you retire early, enforced or otherwise. Even if the goalposts (or pension ages) are moved? Edited by nickgusset (24 Feb 2015 7.53pm) Well I got made redundant from a firm that had provided a defined benefit scheme, and now I'm in a defined contribution scheme which of course is much more market sensitive. Neither scheme provides any accrued benefit for years you've not worked, whether that's through ill health or any other reason. I'd have been miles better off to still be in the defined benefit scheme though. Why would you expect deferred pay for a time when you did not work for a company? I wouldn't, I never worked in an industry that provided that kind of benefit, so why would any other worker expect it, if they've retired early per Nick's point? The FBU's gripe is that because the retirement age for them has been raised, they are being forced into early retirement because they won't be fit enough at the new age and are being penalised for being made to retire early. One would imagine that there was a reason why the retirement age was lower! The same applies to all of us though doesn't it? Anyone born after 1978 will hasve to work until they are 68 before they get their state pension for the same reason - we're living longer! You're wasting your time with logic and common sense. My Dad still works as a gas engineer at 69, he's as fit as a fiddle, could go another 10. And yet the FBU would have you believe these firemen are ready for the knackers yard at 55. The only lies are coming from the Union if you ask me Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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How many people have not been re-deployed and how many have not got an ill health pension?

I don't know to be fair. All I've heard is anecdotal from some Fire Brigade friends who say people they've worked with have had their pension payout reduced through enforced early retirement.

Every line of work I've ever had has had reduced pension rights if you retire early, enforced or otherwise.

Even if the goalposts (or pension ages) are moved?

Edited by nickgusset (24 Feb 2015 7.53pm)

Well I got made redundant from a firm that had provided a defined benefit scheme, and now I'm in a defined contribution scheme which of course is much more market sensitive.

Neither scheme provides any accrued benefit for years you've not worked, whether that's through ill health or any other reason. I'd have been miles better off to still be in the defined benefit scheme though.

Why would you expect deferred pay for a time when you did not work for a company?

I wouldn't, I never worked in an industry that provided that kind of benefit, so why would any other worker expect it, if they've retired early per Nick's point?

The FBU's gripe is that because the retirement age for them has been raised, they are being forced into early retirement because they won't be fit enough at the new age and are being penalised for being made to retire early.
One would imagine that there was a reason why the retirement age was lower!

The same applies to all of us though doesn't it? Anyone born after 1978 will hasve to work until they are 68 before they get their state pension for the same reason - we're living longer!

You're wasting your time with logic and common sense. My Dad still works as a gas engineer at 69, he's as fit as a fiddle, could go another 10. And yet the FBU would have you believe these firemen are ready for the knackers yard at 55.

The only lies are coming from the Union if you ask me

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Feb 15 11.42pm
Quote Pussay Patrol at 24 Feb 2015 11.04pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 9.46pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 9.39pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 9.15pm Quote pefwin at 24 Feb 2015 8.58pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 8.06pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 7.53pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 7.51pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 7.47pm Quote pefwin at 24 Feb 2015 7.25pm Quote nickgusset at 23 Feb 2015 10.50pm . How many people have not been re-deployed and how many have not got an ill health pension? I don't know to be fair. All I've heard is anecdotal from some Fire Brigade friends who say people they've worked with have had their pension payout reduced through enforced early retirement. Every line of work I've ever had has had reduced pension rights if you retire early, enforced or otherwise. Even if the goalposts (or pension ages) are moved? Edited by nickgusset (24 Feb 2015 7.53pm) Well I got made redundant from a firm that had provided a defined benefit scheme, and now I'm in a defined contribution scheme which of course is much more market sensitive. Neither scheme provides any accrued benefit for years you've not worked, whether that's through ill health or any other reason. I'd have been miles better off to still be in the defined benefit scheme though. Why would you expect deferred pay for a time when you did not work for a company? I wouldn't, I never worked in an industry that provided that kind of benefit, so why would any other worker expect it, if they've retired early per Nick's point? The FBU's gripe is that because the retirement age for them has been raised, they are being forced into early retirement because they won't be fit enough at the new age and are being penalised for being made to retire early. One would imagine that there was a reason why the retirement age was lower! The same applies to all of us though doesn't it? Anyone born after 1978 will hasve to work until they are 68 before they get their state pension for the same reason - we're living longer! You're wasting your time with logic and common sense. My Dad still works as a gas engineer at 69, he's as fit as a fiddle, could go another 10. And yet the FBU would have you believe these firemen are ready for the knackers yard at 55. The only lies are coming from the Union if you ask me Hmm. Well if my house ever catches fire I certainly hope dad's army don't turn up to save it.
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How many people have not been re-deployed and how many have not got an ill health pension?

I don't know to be fair. All I've heard is anecdotal from some Fire Brigade friends who say people they've worked with have had their pension payout reduced through enforced early retirement.

Every line of work I've ever had has had reduced pension rights if you retire early, enforced or otherwise.

Even if the goalposts (or pension ages) are moved?

Edited by nickgusset (24 Feb 2015 7.53pm)

Well I got made redundant from a firm that had provided a defined benefit scheme, and now I'm in a defined contribution scheme which of course is much more market sensitive.

Why would you expect deferred pay for a time when you did not work for a company?

I wouldn't, I never worked in an industry that provided that kind of benefit, so why would any other worker expect it, if they've retired early per Nick's point?

The same applies to all of us though doesn't it? Anyone born after 1978 will hasve to work until they are 68 before they get their state pension for the same reason - we're living longer!

The only lies are coming from the Union if you ask me

Hmm. Well if my house ever catches fire I certainly hope dad's army don't turn up to save it.

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moaner Westerham 25 Feb 15 12.08am
Quote Pussay Patrol at 31 Oct 2014 7.57pm Around bonfire time. They won't reform on their pensions when everyone else has had to. They are being told to work till 60 and they will still get a very generous pension when they retire which will be £26k a year when you add state pension. Any other worker would bite your hand off for such a pension deal. They want to keep their current cushy arrangement and expect the taxpayer to stump up the £600M funding gap. No, F-ck you, you reform like everyone else has had to. I support the Nurses as 1% pay rise is a piss take, but the Firefighters pensions row is disgusting and I think the public would be at least divided and mostly unsupportive Have you added the 2nd jobs or businesses many of them have. Perhaps the Straw and Rifkin rule should apply to them? Everyone is entitled to my opinions
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Quote Pussay Patrol at 31 Oct 2014 7.57pm

Around bonfire time.

They won't reform on their pensions when everyone else has had to.

They are being told to work till 60 and they will still get a very generous pension when they retire which will be £26k a year when you add state pension. Any other worker would bite your hand off for such a pension deal. They want to keep their current cushy arrangement and expect the taxpayer to stump up the £600M funding gap. No, F-ck you, you reform like everyone else has had to.

I support the Nurses as 1% pay rise is a piss take, but the Firefighters pensions row is disgusting and I think the public would be at least divided and mostly unsupportive

Have you added the 2nd jobs or businesses many of them have. Perhaps the Straw and Rifkin rule should apply to them?

Everyone is entitled to my opinions

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chris123 hove actually 25 Feb 15 8.02am
Quote Pussay Patrol at 24 Feb 2015 11.04pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 9.46pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 9.39pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 9.15pm Quote pefwin at 24 Feb 2015 8.58pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 8.06pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 7.53pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 7.51pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 7.47pm Quote pefwin at 24 Feb 2015 7.25pm Quote nickgusset at 23 Feb 2015 10.50pm . How many people have not been re-deployed and how many have not got an ill health pension? I don't know to be fair. All I've heard is anecdotal from some Fire Brigade friends who say people they've worked with have had their pension payout reduced through enforced early retirement. Every line of work I've ever had has had reduced pension rights if you retire early, enforced or otherwise. Even if the goalposts (or pension ages) are moved? Edited by nickgusset (24 Feb 2015 7.53pm) Well I got made redundant from a firm that had provided a defined benefit scheme, and now I'm in a defined contribution scheme which of course is much more market sensitive. Neither scheme provides any accrued benefit for years you've not worked, whether that's through ill health or any other reason. I'd have been miles better off to still be in the defined benefit scheme though. Why would you expect deferred pay for a time when you did not work for a company? I wouldn't, I never worked in an industry that provided that kind of benefit, so why would any other worker expect it, if they've retired early per Nick's point? The FBU's gripe is that because the retirement age for them has been raised, they are being forced into early retirement because they won't be fit enough at the new age and are being penalised for being made to retire early. One would imagine that there was a reason why the retirement age was lower! The same applies to all of us though doesn't it? Anyone born after 1978 will hasve to work until they are 68 before they get their state pension for the same reason - we're living longer! You're wasting your time with logic and common sense. My Dad still works as a gas engineer at 69, he's as fit as a fiddle, could go another 10. And yet the FBU would have you believe these firemen are ready for the knackers yard at 55. The only lies are coming from the Union if you ask me I'm just trying to work out why anyone would think the fire service are any different from anyone else in the land. In my co's now closed defined ben scheme you'd have to work 40 years to get 2/3 pension.
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Quote nickgusset at 23 Feb 2015 10.50pm

How many people have not been re-deployed and how many have not got an ill health pension?

I don't know to be fair. All I've heard is anecdotal from some Fire Brigade friends who say people they've worked with have had their pension payout reduced through enforced early retirement.

Every line of work I've ever had has had reduced pension rights if you retire early, enforced or otherwise.

Even if the goalposts (or pension ages) are moved?

Edited by nickgusset (24 Feb 2015 7.53pm)

Well I got made redundant from a firm that had provided a defined benefit scheme, and now I'm in a defined contribution scheme which of course is much more market sensitive.

Why would you expect deferred pay for a time when you did not work for a company?

I wouldn't, I never worked in an industry that provided that kind of benefit, so why would any other worker expect it, if they've retired early per Nick's point?

The same applies to all of us though doesn't it? Anyone born after 1978 will hasve to work until they are 68 before they get their state pension for the same reason - we're living longer!

The only lies are coming from the Union if you ask me

I'm just trying to work out why anyone would think the fire service are any different from anyone else in the land. In my co's now closed defined ben scheme you'd have to work 40 years to get 2/3 pension.

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sxp55 South Norwood 25 Feb 15 8.04am
the last real fire was in 1666. we'll be alright.... @sxp55555
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South Norwood 25 Feb 15 8.04am

the last real fire was in 1666. we'll be alright....

@sxp55555

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 25 Feb 15 7.12pm
Quote chris123 at 25 Feb 2015 8.02am Quote Pussay Patrol at 24 Feb 2015 11.04pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 9.46pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 9.39pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 9.15pm Quote pefwin at 24 Feb 2015 8.58pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 8.06pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 7.53pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 7.51pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 7.47pm Quote pefwin at 24 Feb 2015 7.25pm Quote nickgusset at 23 Feb 2015 10.50pm . How many people have not been re-deployed and how many have not got an ill health pension? I don't know to be fair. All I've heard is anecdotal from some Fire Brigade friends who say people they've worked with have had their pension payout reduced through enforced early retirement. Every line of work I've ever had has had reduced pension rights if you retire early, enforced or otherwise. Even if the goalposts (or pension ages) are moved? Edited by nickgusset (24 Feb 2015 7.53pm) Well I got made redundant from a firm that had provided a defined benefit scheme, and now I'm in a defined contribution scheme which of course is much more market sensitive. Neither scheme provides any accrued benefit for years you've not worked, whether that's through ill health or any other reason. I'd have been miles better off to still be in the defined benefit scheme though. Why would you expect deferred pay for a time when you did not work for a company? I wouldn't, I never worked in an industry that provided that kind of benefit, so why would any other worker expect it, if they've retired early per Nick's point? The FBU's gripe is that because the retirement age for them has been raised, they are being forced into early retirement because they won't be fit enough at the new age and are being penalised for being made to retire early. One would imagine that there was a reason why the retirement age was lower! The same applies to all of us though doesn't it? Anyone born after 1978 will hasve to work until they are 68 before they get their state pension for the same reason - we're living longer! You're wasting your time with logic and common sense. My Dad still works as a gas engineer at 69, he's as fit as a fiddle, could go another 10. And yet the FBU would have you believe these firemen are ready for the knackers yard at 55. The only lies are coming from the Union if you ask me I'm just trying to work out why anyone would think the fire service are any different from anyone else in the land. In my co's now closed defined ben scheme you'd have to work 40 years to get 2/3 pension. Totally different with statutory / quasi-statutory state schemes. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 25 Feb 15 7.12pm

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Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 9.39pm

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Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 7.47pm

Quote pefwin at 24 Feb 2015 7.25pm

Quote nickgusset at 23 Feb 2015 10.50pm

How many people have not been re-deployed and how many have not got an ill health pension?

I don't know to be fair. All I've heard is anecdotal from some Fire Brigade friends who say people they've worked with have had their pension payout reduced through enforced early retirement.

Every line of work I've ever had has had reduced pension rights if you retire early, enforced or otherwise.

Even if the goalposts (or pension ages) are moved?

Edited by nickgusset (24 Feb 2015 7.53pm)

Well I got made redundant from a firm that had provided a defined benefit scheme, and now I'm in a defined contribution scheme which of course is much more market sensitive.

Why would you expect deferred pay for a time when you did not work for a company?

I wouldn't, I never worked in an industry that provided that kind of benefit, so why would any other worker expect it, if they've retired early per Nick's point?

The same applies to all of us though doesn't it? Anyone born after 1978 will hasve to work until they are 68 before they get their state pension for the same reason - we're living longer!

The only lies are coming from the Union if you ask me

Totally different with statutory / quasi-statutory state schemes.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Feb 15 7.16pm
Thousands of firefighters brought parliament square to a standstill today. Did it make the news? Did it f*. Attachment**: FB_IMG_1424891624748.jpg (42.12Kb)
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Shizzlehurst 25 Feb 15 7.16pm

Thousands of firefighters brought parliament square to a standstill today. Did it make the news? Did it f***.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Feb 15 7.25pm
This is a booklet my fireman friend was given when he joined the service 20 years ago. The Government have effectively torn it up! That's why they're striking. Attachment: FB_IMG_1424892159435.jpg (34.85Kb)
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This is a booklet my fireman friend was given when he joined the service 20 years ago. The Government have effectively torn it up! That's why they're striking.

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davidpercival Croydon 25 Feb 15 7.50pm
Straw and Rifkind have exposed the hypocrisy of Labour and Tories. while they slash the terms and conditions of workers they line up jobs that pay them £5000 - £8000 a day. I support all workers in fighting cuts made by and on behalf of the rich parasites who feed of us.
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Straw and Rifkind have exposed the hypocrisy of Labour and Tories. while they slash the terms and conditions of workers they line up jobs that pay them £5000 - £8000 a day.

I support all workers in fighting cuts made by and on behalf of the rich parasites who feed of us.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 25 Feb 15 7.56pm
Quote davidpercival at 25 Feb 2015 7.50pm Straw and Rifkind have exposed the hypocrisy of Labour and Tories. while they slash the terms and conditions of workers they line up jobs that pay them £5000 - £8000 a day. I support all workers in fighting cuts made by and on behalf of the rich parasites who feed of us. There is nothing wrong with a person charging £5000 - £8000 a day for their services. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Quote davidpercival at 25 Feb 2015 7.50pm

Straw and Rifkind have exposed the hypocrisy of Labour and Tories. while they slash the terms and conditions of workers they line up jobs that pay them £5000 - £8000 a day.

I support all workers in fighting cuts made by and on behalf of the rich parasites who feed of us.

There is nothing wrong with a person charging £5000 - £8000 a day for their services.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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TUX redhill 25 Feb 15 8.01pm
Quote chris123 at 25 Feb 2015 8.02am Quote Pussay Patrol at 24 Feb 2015 11.04pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 9.46pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 9.39pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 9.15pm Quote pefwin at 24 Feb 2015 8.58pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 8.06pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 7.53pm Quote chris123 at 24 Feb 2015 7.51pm Quote nickgusset at 24 Feb 2015 7.47pm Quote pefwin at 24 Feb 2015 7.25pm Quote nickgusset at 23 Feb 2015 10.50pm . How many people have not been re-deployed and how many have not got an ill health pension? I don't know to be fair. All I've heard is anecdotal from some Fire Brigade friends who say people they've worked with have had their pension payout reduced through enforced early retirement. Every line of work I've ever had has had reduced pension rights if you retire early, enforced or otherwise. Even if the goalposts (or pension ages) are moved? Edited by nickgusset (24 Feb 2015 7.53pm) Well I got made redundant from a firm that had provided a defined benefit scheme, and now I'm in a defined contribution scheme which of course is much more market sensitive. Neither scheme provides any accrued benefit for years you've not worked, whether that's through ill health or any other reason. I'd have been miles better off to still be in the defined benefit scheme though. Why would you expect deferred pay for a time when you did not work for a company? I wouldn't, I never worked in an industry that provided that kind of benefit, so why would any other worker expect it, if they've retired early per Nick's point? The FBU's gripe is that because the retirement age for them has been raised, they are being forced into early retirement because they won't be fit enough at the new age and are being penalised for being made to retire early. One would imagine that there was a reason why the retirement age was lower! The same applies to all of us though doesn't it? Anyone born after 1978 will hasve to work until they are 68 before they get their state pension for the same reason - we're living longer! You're wasting your time with logic and common sense. My Dad still works as a gas engineer at 69, he's as fit as a fiddle, could go another 10. And yet the FBU would have you believe these firemen are ready for the knackers yard at 55. The only lies are coming from the Union if you ask me I'm just trying to work out why anyone would think the fire service are any different from anyone else in the land. In my co's now closed defined ben scheme you'd have to work 40 years to get 2/3 pension. I doubt many do tbh. If 'others' had a union to highlight any issues then I'm sure we'd all be equally sympathetic. It's a shame that many 'others' don't have this particular outlet because if they did then what appears to be jealousy would soon disappear, hopefully. News just in..........700,000 of the working population are now said to be on zero hour contracts. Thoughts?
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How many people have not been re-deployed and how many have not got an ill health pension?

I don't know to be fair. All I've heard is anecdotal from some Fire Brigade friends who say people they've worked with have had their pension payout reduced through enforced early retirement.

Every line of work I've ever had has had reduced pension rights if you retire early, enforced or otherwise.

Even if the goalposts (or pension ages) are moved?

Edited by nickgusset (24 Feb 2015 7.53pm)

Well I got made redundant from a firm that had provided a defined benefit scheme, and now I'm in a defined contribution scheme which of course is much more market sensitive.

Why would you expect deferred pay for a time when you did not work for a company?

I wouldn't, I never worked in an industry that provided that kind of benefit, so why would any other worker expect it, if they've retired early per Nick's point?

The same applies to all of us though doesn't it? Anyone born after 1978 will hasve to work until they are 68 before they get their state pension for the same reason - we're living longer!

The only lies are coming from the Union if you ask me

I'm just trying to work out why anyone would think the fire service are any different from anyone else in the land. In my co's now closed defined ben scheme you'd have to work 40 years to get 2/3 pension.

I doubt many do tbh.
If 'others' had a union to highlight any issues then I'm sure we'd all be equally sympathetic.
It's a shame that many 'others' don't have this particular outlet because if they did then what appears to be jealousy would soon disappear, hopefully.

News just in..........700,000 of the working population are now said to be on zero hour contracts.

Thoughts?

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TUX redhill 25 Feb 15 8.11pm
Quote nickgusset at 25 Feb 2015 7.16pm Thousands of firefighters brought parliament square to a standstill today. Did it make the news? Did it f***. No mention of it on LBC today either (from what I heard). Media manipulation from those above?
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Quote nickgusset at 25 Feb 2015 7.16pm

Thousands of firefighters brought parliament square to a standstill today. Did it make the news? Did it f***.

No mention of it on LBC today either (from what I heard). Media manipulation from those above?

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