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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Why not? It would make a refreshing change from the sea of identical 'progressive' robots that dominant the entertainment industry. All non violent views have a place in the marketplace of ideas. Start writing reviews, if you want to, mate. FFS what is it with some people? Bond isn't just any character, he is an iconic white character with a back story that has existed for decades.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
FFS what is it with some people? Bond isn't just any character, he is an iconic white character with a back story that has existed for decades. Yeah, lets remake the 'The Color Purple' and reverse the skin colour roles so that it is edgy. Anyone complaining about it is a racist! What did that band say in the ninties....'Modern life is crap'.....Sometimes I think that about developments in modern western culture. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2017 7.42pm)
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Ask him his views on racial demographics and representation on the news. That's easy Einstein.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So far on these boards I've notice you use the word 'misogyny' in describing me....it's plainly ridiculous...My mother, god bless her, is probably worth ten of you. Then here you use the term, 'white privilege'. So you are announcing your politics clear as day. You are a full on American style 'progressive'. If I were to play your game I could accuse you of 'misandry'...in your case that certain hate of anything masculine that certain 'beta males' are so steeped into. Well, in my opinion, there is a place for your personality type in society, just as there is a place for all non violent views. However, if you want to play the game of name calling recognise that at a certain stage some people are going to get tired of it and then name calling is all you are going to get.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If a black person asks for black role models do you ask them about it? I doubt it because them being a minority seems to give hem having a 'preference' a pass. You know what I'm fine with that. You might prefer long legged black girls or white girls to short legged ones....Or blue eyed Scandinavian girls to short squat Italian types. Having a preference isn't being racist. Being racist is being racist. Believing that the stereotype of a Scandinavian bird can be more attractive than an Italian one doesn't mean that I think any difference as to their worth as actual human beings. I don't believe the short Italian bird is a worst human being just because of her genetics...It's purely a physical thing....Hey I'd probably still fcuk her anyway. If you prefer your Bond to be white or your Shaft to be black it doesn't really matter. All that matters is how you treat people in real life. Fairness is what matters.....not thought policing. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2017 7.21pm) I haven't said that anyone is being racist because there is little point in ever doing so. If someone says "I want this character to be white because I'm white" it's a very specific thing to say and up to others how they view that. In saying that I personally wouldn't rule out a black Bond, but am happy either way, I'm not somehow attempting to deprive white men of masculine male role models. In any case, that assumes that a white man needs a white role model, and black specifically needs black and so on. I believe that while it's useful for people to see others 'like them' do well, most people usually and thankfully view themselves in a less linear way than 'I'm this race, that gender' and so model themselves on a variety of people they admire.
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Originally posted by wordup
He's an underrated actor that's for sure. On top of that.. Anything to keep him off Question Time.
I must have missed that episode.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You clearly have a problem with the English language. I never said such a thing. I said I'd prefer Bond to be White. I don't care if you like that or not. What I prefer personally has no bearing on what the producers of Bond choose to do but the preference of the wider target audience as a whole will do. The so called prejudice against Black actors you imply doesn't seem to have been a problem for Denzel Washington, Will Smith, Morgan Freeman, James Earl Jones, Danny Glover, Samuel Jackson, Idris Elba, Jennifer Hudson, Eddie Murphy, Forrest Whitaker,Paul Winfield, Laurence Fishburn, Don Cheadle, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Jamie Foxx, Ving Rhames....... I could go on... and on. And The fact that two bad films featuring White people failed does not mean that casting White people was the cause or that casting Middle Eastern actors would have made them do any better.
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Originally posted by wordup
I haven't said that anyone is being racist because there is little point in ever doing so. If someone says "I want this character to be white because I'm white" it's a very specific thing to say and up to others how they view that. In saying that I personally wouldn't rule out a black Bond, but am happy either way, I'm not somehow attempting to deprive white men of masculine male role models. In any case, that assumes that a white man needs a white role model, and black specifically needs black and so on. I believe that while it's useful for people to see others 'like them' do well, most people usually and thankfully view themselves in a less linear way than 'I'm this race, that gender' and so model themselves on a variety of people they admire. No you didn't accuse people, I was reading between the lines and going further and hypering it up a bit. You actually come across quite well.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No, it is you creating a strawman argument by purposefully misrepresenting what I said. Anyone you thinks that having a preference for Bond to be White is 'racist' is a fruit loop. I'm sure some Black people want Bond to be White.
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
No it isn't, as expressed, it's preference. I think you are conflating preference with racism. They are two separate ideas. You would have to actually know the guy to accuse him of that.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yeah, lets remake the 'The Color Purple' and reverse the skin colour roles so that it is edgy.
You could remake, for example, "The Color Purple" but set it in ISIS-controlled Syria and still maintain the core story of violence towards and suppression of a young girl. You can remake anything into anything - more often than not to a lesser end. So, if you portray Bond as a modern figure in the modern era - as the current Bond is - the character can played by anyone as long as you stay true to what makes the character work, not the superficial look.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No it isn't, as expressed, it's preference. I think you are conflating preference with racism. They are two separate ideas. You would have to actually know the guy to accuse him of that.
That's a statement of preference; is it racist?
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
I identify with a White character because I'm white. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 Jul 2017 8.05pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I prefer Shaft to be white...does that make me a racist. I prefer Michael Jackson to be black...does that make me a racist.....That skin thing he did to himself...which he claimed was medical just didn't sit right with me....Still, free world. Preference is different to racism. Racism is racism....When people lower standards for it it doesn't help.
If you want Shaft to be white because you think that such a depiction would be an interesting exploration of race in our culture, then that's not racist. If you want Shaft to be white because you're white, that's racist.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I identify with a White character because I'm white.
Did you object to when the Craig-Bond movies took a white character - Felix Leiter - that had been written as white and always played by a white man - and turned him black? Edited by Ray in Houston (18 Jul 2017 8.10pm)
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
If you want Shaft to be white because you think that such a depiction would be an interesting exploration of race in our culture, then that's not racist. If you want Shaft to be white because you're white, that's racist. Are you for real?
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Are you for real?
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
You could remake, for example, "The Color Purple" but set it in ISIS-controlled Syria and still maintain the core story of violence towards and suppression of a young girl. You can remake anything into anything - more often than not to a lesser end. So, if you portray Bond as a modern figure in the modern era - as the current Bond is - the character can played by anyone as long as you stay true to what makes the character work, not the superficial look. Yeah, I'd say that is all valid. Art, for art's sake, doesn't have to hold true to boundaries.....I suppose if I see something as tokenism or as just being done to push ideologies it pisses me off a bit....But art as a pure art form of expression shouldn't be told what it can and can't do....Yeah I'd agree with that. Still, it's also perfectly valid to criticise it from pretty much most perspectives as I suppose that is the core of what art is....viewponts and perspectives. I like the fantasy of Bond as this British strong representative of anglo saxonism....But I know that it is what it is....just a fiction designed to entertain a demographic and pass leisure time for them....It won't be to everyone's tastes and I don't think any art form can be...Or really should try in a perfect world....Though we know that commercial art forms are obviously under massive pressures to make their investments back. The skin colour is more an aesthetic.....more important to some more than others but I'm fine with however people feel about it.
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