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TQ_Eagle Flag Torquay 08 Jan 21 10.59pm

Well that's screwed the weekend up for us all....again.

Realistically, how long does Parish give Woy? He couldn't motivate an inmate to walk out of an open prison.

No shots on goal, gutless display in the midfield and the usual crab football before lumping it forward to players who can't hold it up.

Only the league to play for and I can see us being sucked into a relegation fight.......without any fight.

 

Belmont Flag 08 Jan 21 11.00pm

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

But he's another that's slow and can't travel with the ball despite being younger. He's also not good or snappy enough out of possession.

I agree he is slow and he will ever be a box to box midfielder but in the right set up (which we obviously don't have) he is the perfect player to receive the ball from the back four and build from the back and if we had a progressive coach with the players we have I think he would be an asset but unfortunately we don't have a progressive coach so he is wasted.

We need a manager who looks at the players and plays to their strengths and then evolves into a balanced approach,unfortunately in my opinion Roy looks at the squad and thinks how can I mould this bunch of players into my way of playing which results in round pegs in square holes

 

samprior Flag Hamburg 08 Jan 21 11.03pm

Fully expected for it to be an appalling game today so watched Lord of the Rings instead.

Biggest disappointed for me is Sakho has (of course) picked up an injury after only 45 mins. Now we'll be even less likely to shift him off the books.

Couldn't care less about being out of the cup tbh but a timely reminder of how much investment the wider squad requires.

Edited by samprior (08 Jan 2021 11.04pm)

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jan 21 11.05pm

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

Instead of 'turgid' could we say 'stodgy'?

Rest assured I have found words to describe our displays but I would not use such language on HOL.
Noisy scoffs of disgust and invective language delivered in high-decibel fulmination have often reverberated around 'Chez Willo' and elsewhere.

 

Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 08 Jan 21 11.08pm

Originally posted by Belmont

I agree he is slow and he will ever be a box to box midfielder but in the right set up (which we obviously don't have) he is the perfect player to receive the ball from the back four and build from the back and if we had a progressive coach with the players we have I think he would be an asset but unfortunately we don't have a progressive coach so he is wasted.

We need a manager who looks at the players and plays to their strengths and then evolves into a balanced approach,unfortunately in my opinion Roy looks at the squad and thinks how can I mould this bunch of players into my way of playing which results in round pegs in square holes

He's too slow and the older lads in J Mac, Luka and Schlupp are better at moving the ball forward despite their age IMO.

A progressive coach is going to need better players and not a squad of thirty plus average players who got run off the pitch by a youthful 10 man Aston Villa.

 

Gribbo Flag Bromley 08 Jan 21 11.20pm

Roy needs to go without question, he is slowly sucking the life out of the club. Who do you replace him with? Hopefully not Dougie or Dyche - more of the same methinks.

 

Mathers Flag 08 Jan 21 11.32pm

[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3591546]

Absolutely smashed by a two bob outfit!!! Disgraceful!!! Sack the lot of them, starting with that idiot Roy Hodgson!!! Then kick out Steve Parish!!! And those U.S. tossers!!! There for the taking!!! Such an easy game, all we needed to do was attack, attack, attack......

It was Wolverhampton Wanderers. Away. They have pumped a fair few quid into the team. I really despair of the 'supporters' these days.

And ffs stop using the word "turgid". I wouldn't mind if we did play turgidly, but that is not possible.

Absolutely no disgrace in losing to an full strength Wolves team. Not having a shot on target and playing the way we did, however, is disgraceful.

In a cup match you may a well have a bloody go. Instead we done the usual tactic of trying to hang in the game by doing nothing then waking up in the 80th min when it’s too late.


Edited by Mathers (08 Jan 2021 11.41pm)

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jan 21 11.43pm

Originally posted by Gribbo

Roy needs to go without question, he is slowly sucking the life out of the club. Who do you replace him with? Hopefully not Dougie or Dyche - more of the same methinks.

The question is :

Is Mr Hodgson the problem?
Or is the squad with 15 players either 30 this year or already in their 30s simply not good enough as many are in the 'Twilight' of their careers and past their best ?
Or is it a combination of the two ?

I am not confident at all that we will survive the dreaded drop.

Edited by Willo (08 Jan 2021 11.45pm)

 

Belmont Flag 08 Jan 21 11.44pm

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

He's too slow and the older lads in J Mac, Luka and Schlupp are better at moving the ball forward despite their age IMO.

A progressive coach is going to need better players and not a squad of thirty plus average players who got run off the pitch by a youthful 10 man Aston Villa.

When I say progressive I can't imagine Roy blending U23 players with senior players and evolving the playing staff that way.

 

EddieMac Flag 08 Jan 21 11.45pm

[quote=Tim Gypsy Hill '64;3591546]

Absolutely smashed by a two bob outfit!!! Disgraceful!!! Sack the lot of them, starting with that idiot Roy Hodgson!!! Then kick out Steve Parish!!! And those U.S. tossers!!! There for the taking!!! Such an easy game, all we needed to do was attack, attack, attack......

It was Wolverhampton Wanderers. Away. They have pumped a fair few quid into the team. I really despair of the 'supporters' these days.

And ffs stop using the word "turgid". I wouldn't mind if we did play turgidly, but that is not possible.

You need to go back to school and learn the meaning of turgid. You have the IQ of a flip flop.

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 08 Jan 21 11.46pm

Originally posted by Belmont

I read a quote form an ex Liverpool player once who played under Roy and it went along the lines of, they would be playing a team who most of the players thought they had a chance of winning against but then Roy would set them up defensively which would change the player's mindset into believing they could possibly lose.

This could easily be happening at Palace whereby the players always look to play sideways or backwards as they are sent out with a negative instead of positive mindset, which is evident as not many, as a first instinct look to play forwards.

It does seem weird to imagine players knowingly pass the ball backwards and sideways with the understanding that this ball they're playing is just continuing the awful prospects of them as a team achieving anything, why would a team on the pitch do that? Why would a player knowingly reduce their individual value by continuing to play this way with the double whammy of not personally going on a cup run or to see themselves involved in a squad that is very well placed in the league, the very same can be said for the manager.

I saw a very brief change just after Zaha came on when he actually closed down and won the ball from one of their players as he tried to move forward and suddenly we were at them and they didn't seem so happy when he put a wonderful pacey ball behind their defence, it was a very brief moment but it showed an awful lot to me that Benteke and Batshuayi totally failed to show any attempt to close any of their play down and to show any intention of getting into their faces,
So did Zaha show his contempt towards his managers orders to allow them to have the freedom to just room at will by forcing one of them to make a mistake and then attack as he did or did he play as his manager informed him to?

I feel the ability to do what Zaha did was because he had the ability to do it also the criticism aimed at Eze is not justified because he appeared to be willing to run forward with the ball as did Ayew but only towards half time did he start to play this way and then quite a few times during the second half, I thought Ayew looked our most dangerous player.

 

Belmont Flag 08 Jan 21 11.53pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

It does seem weird to imagine players knowingly pass the ball backwards and sideways with the understanding that this ball they're playing is just continuing the awful prospects of them as a team achieving anything, why would a team on the pitch do that? Why would a player knowingly reduce their individual value by continuing to play this way with the double whammy of not personally going on a cup run or to see themselves involved in a squad that is very well placed in the league, the very same can be said for the manager.

I saw a very brief change just after Zaha came on when he actually closed down and won the ball from one of their players as he tried to move forward and suddenly we were at them and they didn't seem so happy when he put a wonderful pacey ball behind their defence, it was a very brief moment but it showed an awful lot to me that Benteke and Batshuayi totally failed to show any attempt to close any of their play down and to show any intention of getting into their faces,
So did Zaha show his contempt towards his managers orders to allow them to have the freedom to just room at will by forcing one of them to make a mistake and then attack as he did or did he play as his manager informed him to?

I feel the ability to do what Zaha did was because he had the ability to do it also the criticism aimed at Eze is not justified because he appeared to be willing to run forward with the ball as did Ayew but only towards half time did he start to play this way and then quite a few times during the second half, I thought Ayew looked our most dangerous player.


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If you send a team out with a negative mindset how do you think they are going play?

 

palace chick Flag South Croydon 09 Jan 21 12.03am

I see Hodgson is saying we lost to a Wolves wonder goal. Might be better if he explained why we allowed him the time and space to take that shot. If Mitchell and Schlupp had been down the left side I’m fairly sure they would have been tight on the scorer. Eze in my mind was the culprit in giving him that space to shot. All goals come from mistakes but that was lower league defending. In truth the whole 90 plus minutes were poor by us and we got what we deserved :-(

 

slubglurge Flag welling 09 Jan 21 12.07am

Our tactics stand off their midfield and let them dictate play and create chances. Their tactics press our midfield and fullbacks hard and stop us getting any momentum. Which is better? Answers on a postcard please

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jan 21 12.09am

Originally posted by palace chick

I see Hodgson is saying we lost to a Wolves wonder goal. Might be better if he explained why we allowed him the time and space to take that shot. If Mitchell and Schlupp had been down the left side I’m fairly sure they would have been tight on the scorer. Eze in my mind was the culprit in giving him that space to shot. All goals come from mistakes but that was lower league defending. In truth the whole 90 plus minutes were poor by us and we got what we deserved :-(

Eze needs to contribute more from a defensive standpoint but I am not suggesting he should be turned into a defensive midfielder!
Probably about 2 or 3 years ago whilst at QPR, it was said that he needed to improve his work off the ball and that they needed to add discipline and workrate to his game.

Edited by Willo (09 Jan 2021 12.16am)

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 09 Jan 21 12.13am

Originally posted by slubglurge

Our tactics stand off their midfield and let them dictate play and create chances. Their tactics press our midfield and fullbacks hard and stop us getting any momentum. Which is better? Answers on a postcard please

Maybe our ageing squad just do not have the energy, vigour and mobility to 'Press' teams.

Mr Hodgson's teams are all about shape, distances and getting behind the ball in a structure when the opposition are in possession so even if we DID have players with the ability to 'Press' maybe they would not be required to do so.

Edited by Willo (09 Jan 2021 12.16am)

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 09 Jan 21 12.15am

Originally posted by Willo

The question is :

Is Mr Hodgson the problem?
Or is the squad with 15 players either 30 this year or already in their 30s simply not good enough as many are in the 'Twilight' of their careers and past their best ?
Or is it a combination of the two ?

I am not confident at all that we will survive the dreaded drop.

Edited by Willo (08 Jan 2021 11.45pm)

I feel as you know that our players as a whole are simply not able to match the fitness and abilities of many other teams in this league and Wolves have proven this twice now this season. We have to keep our energies for the more important issues of surviving this season to be able to re group with much change before the start of next season. We have really hit a wall with this squad now and do nothing with it is going to cost us dearly next season.

 

Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 09 Jan 21 12.38am

Originally posted by EddieMac

You need to go back to school and learn the meaning of turgid. You have the IQ of a flip flop.

Nice insult. But what does turgid mean?

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

jeeagles Flag 09 Jan 21 12.45am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

I feel as you know that our players as a whole are simply not able to match the fitness and abilities of many other teams in this league and Wolves have proven this twice now this season. We have to keep our energies for the more important issues of surviving this season to be able to re group with much change before the start of next season. We have really hit a wall with this squad now and do nothing with it is going to cost us dearly next season.

Tonights line up probably had one of our lowest average age in months.

One 31 year old.

Sakho, McCarthy, Benteke, and PVA are all 30 but only used on a rotational basis.

The record for most distance covered in a Premier League game was set this year by James Milner.

Peak fitness is meant to be between 27 and 29 with peak endurance not reached until 35.

An aging squad isn't an excuse for tonights performance with 0 shots on goal.

 

jeeagles Flag 09 Jan 21 1.22am

[Link]

A couple of seasons old but still a good indicator.

Jimmy Mac has clocked up the most milage in a game for us this season at 33.

In the article, the Palace player with most miles covered in a game was Max Meyer.

Seems like the players are clocking up the miles. One reason for Luka being top in 2019 was lack of rotation.

Obviously this doesn't include sprints but it's still the best indicator I could find.

Other reasons exist which means stats can be manipulated, but there are only so aren't many ways to creatively manipulated a ratio of distance and time.

Conclusion - the way we are set up is a bigger issue than age.

 

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