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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
But he's another that's slow and can't travel with the ball despite being younger. He's also not good or snappy enough out of possession. I agree he is slow and he will ever be a box to box midfielder but in the right set up (which we obviously don't have) he is the perfect player to receive the ball from the back four and build from the back and if we had a progressive coach with the players we have I think he would be an asset but unfortunately we don't have a progressive coach so he is wasted. We need a manager who looks at the players and plays to their strengths and then evolves into a balanced approach,unfortunately in my opinion Roy looks at the squad and thinks how can I mould this bunch of players into my way of playing which results in round pegs in square holes
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
Instead of 'turgid' could we say 'stodgy'? Rest assured I have found words to describe our displays but I would not use such language on HOL.
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Originally posted by Belmont
I agree he is slow and he will ever be a box to box midfielder but in the right set up (which we obviously don't have) he is the perfect player to receive the ball from the back four and build from the back and if we had a progressive coach with the players we have I think he would be an asset but unfortunately we don't have a progressive coach so he is wasted. We need a manager who looks at the players and plays to their strengths and then evolves into a balanced approach,unfortunately in my opinion Roy looks at the squad and thinks how can I mould this bunch of players into my way of playing which results in round pegs in square holes He's too slow and the older lads in J Mac, Luka and Schlupp are better at moving the ball forward despite their age IMO. A progressive coach is going to need better players and not a squad of thirty plus average players who got run off the pitch by a youthful 10 man Aston Villa.
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Originally posted by Gribbo
Roy needs to go without question, he is slowly sucking the life out of the club. Who do you replace him with? Hopefully not Dougie or Dyche - more of the same methinks. The question is : Is Mr Hodgson the problem? I am not confident at all that we will survive the dreaded drop. Edited by Willo (08 Jan 2021 11.45pm)
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
He's too slow and the older lads in J Mac, Luka and Schlupp are better at moving the ball forward despite their age IMO. A progressive coach is going to need better players and not a squad of thirty plus average players who got run off the pitch by a youthful 10 man Aston Villa. When I say progressive I can't imagine Roy blending U23 players with senior players and evolving the playing staff that way.
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Originally posted by Belmont
I read a quote form an ex Liverpool player once who played under Roy and it went along the lines of, they would be playing a team who most of the players thought they had a chance of winning against but then Roy would set them up defensively which would change the player's mindset into believing they could possibly lose. This could easily be happening at Palace whereby the players always look to play sideways or backwards as they are sent out with a negative instead of positive mindset, which is evident as not many, as a first instinct look to play forwards. It does seem weird to imagine players knowingly pass the ball backwards and sideways with the understanding that this ball they're playing is just continuing the awful prospects of them as a team achieving anything, why would a team on the pitch do that? Why would a player knowingly reduce their individual value by continuing to play this way with the double whammy of not personally going on a cup run or to see themselves involved in a squad that is very well placed in the league, the very same can be said for the manager. I saw a very brief change just after Zaha came on when he actually closed down and won the ball from one of their players as he tried to move forward and suddenly we were at them and they didn't seem so happy when he put a wonderful pacey ball behind their defence, it was a very brief moment but it showed an awful lot to me that Benteke and Batshuayi totally failed to show any attempt to close any of their play down and to show any intention of getting into their faces, I feel the ability to do what Zaha did was because he had the ability to do it also the criticism aimed at Eze is not justified because he appeared to be willing to run forward with the ball as did Ayew but only towards half time did he start to play this way and then quite a few times during the second half, I thought Ayew looked our most dangerous player.
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
It does seem weird to imagine players knowingly pass the ball backwards and sideways with the understanding that this ball they're playing is just continuing the awful prospects of them as a team achieving anything, why would a team on the pitch do that? Why would a player knowingly reduce their individual value by continuing to play this way with the double whammy of not personally going on a cup run or to see themselves involved in a squad that is very well placed in the league, the very same can be said for the manager. I saw a very brief change just after Zaha came on when he actually closed down and won the ball from one of their players as he tried to move forward and suddenly we were at them and they didn't seem so happy when he put a wonderful pacey ball behind their defence, it was a very brief moment but it showed an awful lot to me that Benteke and Batshuayi totally failed to show any attempt to close any of their play down and to show any intention of getting into their faces, I feel the ability to do what Zaha did was because he had the ability to do it also the criticism aimed at Eze is not justified because he appeared to be willing to run forward with the ball as did Ayew but only towards half time did he start to play this way and then quite a few times during the second half, I thought Ayew looked our most dangerous player.
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Originally posted by palace chick
I see Hodgson is saying we lost to a Wolves wonder goal. Might be better if he explained why we allowed him the time and space to take that shot. If Mitchell and Schlupp had been down the left side I’m fairly sure they would have been tight on the scorer. Eze in my mind was the culprit in giving him that space to shot. All goals come from mistakes but that was lower league defending. In truth the whole 90 plus minutes were poor by us and we got what we deserved :-( Eze needs to contribute more from a defensive standpoint but I am not suggesting he should be turned into a defensive midfielder! Edited by Willo (09 Jan 2021 12.16am)
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Originally posted by slubglurge
Our tactics stand off their midfield and let them dictate play and create chances. Their tactics press our midfield and fullbacks hard and stop us getting any momentum. Which is better? Answers on a postcard please Maybe our ageing squad just do not have the energy, vigour and mobility to 'Press' teams. Mr Hodgson's teams are all about shape, distances and getting behind the ball in a structure when the opposition are in possession so even if we DID have players with the ability to 'Press' maybe they would not be required to do so. Edited by Willo (09 Jan 2021 12.16am)
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Originally posted by Willo
The question is : Is Mr Hodgson the problem? I am not confident at all that we will survive the dreaded drop. Edited by Willo (08 Jan 2021 11.45pm) I feel as you know that our players as a whole are simply not able to match the fitness and abilities of many other teams in this league and Wolves have proven this twice now this season. We have to keep our energies for the more important issues of surviving this season to be able to re group with much change before the start of next season. We have really hit a wall with this squad now and do nothing with it is going to cost us dearly next season.
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Originally posted by EddieMac
You need to go back to school and learn the meaning of turgid. You have the IQ of a flip flop. Nice insult. But what does turgid mean?
Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers |
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
I feel as you know that our players as a whole are simply not able to match the fitness and abilities of many other teams in this league and Wolves have proven this twice now this season. We have to keep our energies for the more important issues of surviving this season to be able to re group with much change before the start of next season. We have really hit a wall with this squad now and do nothing with it is going to cost us dearly next season. Tonights line up probably had one of our lowest average age in months. One 31 year old. Sakho, McCarthy, Benteke, and PVA are all 30 but only used on a rotational basis. The record for most distance covered in a Premier League game was set this year by James Milner. Peak fitness is meant to be between 27 and 29 with peak endurance not reached until 35. An aging squad isn't an excuse for tonights performance with 0 shots on goal.
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