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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Feb 21 10.35am |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
With the utmost respect you said, and I quote, ‘We won only 1 of our first 12 games.’ If this is correct FDB was only manager of the first 4 with Hodgson in charge of the subsequent 8. Did you make a mistake in your statement?
Mr Hodgson was of course in charge for the next 8 matches.
On the back of the first 4 under FDB, we lost the next 3, and 2 of those were away at Man Utd and Man C, games we certainly we were not expected to get anything from after our start to the season. We emerged victorious in the next game, a 2-1 win over Chelsea which was certainly unexpected and most welcome.
Following Chelsea we lost by the single goal at Newcastle and Tottenham and drew against Everton and W.Ham before recording a home win against Stoke.
Indeed 1 win in our first 12 games but one has to look at the results under Mr Hodgson in context.
Edited by Willo (19 Feb 2021 10.39am)
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 19 Feb 21 10.40am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Hodgson was of course in charge for the next 8 matches.
On the back of the first 4 under FDB, we lost the next 3, and 2 of those were away at Man Utd and Man C, games we certainly we were not expected to get anything from after our start to the season. We emerged victorious in the next game, a 2-1 win over Chelsea which was certainly unexpected and most welcome.
I fondly remember the scenes after the final whistle, people hugging and laughing outside the ground afterwards, it was like VE day!
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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WJK1960 19 Feb 21 10.46am |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Yes, so by those statistics we won only one of his first 8 games in charge so he surely contributed to the problem he later ‘rescued’ us from! It can be ‘spun’ any way that people want and of course I am not denying that it was a creditable achievement. But there were plenty of games left and a good squad as highlighted. Pulis inherited a shambles and was the true ‘miracle worker’ although many fans dislike him because of the way he departed. It doesn’t mean Hodgson didn’t do a decent job during the season in question (after his first 8 games)!
So the fact that it took 8 games to turn it round would actually indicate that the squad, though good on paper, actually needed time to gel and take on Roy's coaching. And I agree that the squad was good, even though they had to overcome a severely underperforming striker in Benteke who scored only 3 PL goals that season. From your posts it is clear you don't think highly of Hodgson. I actually think some of the football in that season was amongst the best that Palace have played since their Premiership return so I would value Hodgson's contribution in that year as significantly better than 'decent'. I would agree that Pulis's achievement was the greater if we are seeking to rank them in some sort of order but of that team I would take the 13/14 version of Ward and Dann, Jedinak for Luka and Puncheon for Townsend (and possibly Bolasie too) above what we currently have in place. So there were some very good players in that 13/14 side, but obviously a number that were relatively weak too.
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PatrickA London 19 Feb 21 10.47am |
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And then there was the 1-0 win under Pulis at home to Mourinho’s Chelsea . A remarkable result.
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PatrickA London 19 Feb 21 1.49pm |
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Broadly I’m in agreement with your post WJK. It’s not so much that I don’t think well of Hodgson but it’s more the level of hyperbole around his achievements that I struggle with. I was at the Chelsea victory and it was a tactical masterclass with Chelsea totally confused by the fluidity of our play. I also was fortunate enough to witness the away victories under Hodgson at Man City and Arsenal and said to my family at the time to make the most of it as these were once in 20 years type experiences. Probably an 8 out of 10 to Hodgson for the first few years, particularly with the constraints others have highlighted. Since the back end of last season though there are worrying signs. Some really terrible performances with Hodgson looking clueless as to how remedy the situation. He’s moved to a 442 which has left us vulnerable in defence and central midfield. It’s easy to blame our strikers, but how much service is provided to them in reality. We have no attacking threat without Zaha and as manager Hodgson should surely have addressed this situation by now so that we have an alternative way of threatening the opposition. I’m not advocating that he be sacked, merely that for all parties concerned it may be better to have a parting of the ways at the end of the season. If he leaves and it all goes ‘belly up’ I may look back at his tenure fondly!
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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Feb 21 11.51pm |
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Exactly Willo, exactly. They were desperate times and thankfully Roy steered us to safety.
Originally posted by Willo
Although Mr Hodgson joined after 4 games,after 7 games we had lost the lot and not scored a solitary goal which was a 'first' in the PL.
We only won 1 of our first 12 games and were firm favourites for relegation.It was only in our 17th game,home to Watford, when a 2-1 win saw us off the bottom for the first time,accordingly we were bottom for nearly half the season.
We finished 11th which was a creditable feat given the above.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Feb 21 11.55pm |
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Where's the rolling eyes emoji when you need it?
Hyperbole, is that your word of the week ? And you struggle with it? JHFC
It's a free board and opinions are just that, as with sphincters, everybody has one.
Originally posted by PatrickA
Broadly I’m in agreement with your post WJK. It’s not so much that I don’t think well of Hodgson but it’s more the level of hyperbole around his achievements that I struggle with. I was at the Chelsea victory and it was a tactical masterclass with Chelsea totally confused by the fluidity of our play. I also was fortunate enough to witness the away victories under Hodgson at Man City and Arsenal and said to my family at the time to make the most of it as these were once in 20 years type experiences. Probably an 8 out of 10 to Hodgson for the first few years, particularly with the constraints others have highlighted. Since the back end of last season though there are worrying signs. Some really terrible performances with Hodgson looking clueless as to how remedy the situation. He’s moved to a 442 which has left us vulnerable in defence and central midfield. It’s easy to blame our strikers, but how much service is provided to them in reality. We have no attacking threat without Zaha and as manager Hodgson should surely have addressed this situation by now so that we have an alternative way of threatening the opposition. I’m not advocating that he be sacked, merely that for all parties concerned it may be better to have a parting of the ways at the end of the season. If he leaves and it all goes ‘belly up’ I may look back at his tenure fondly!
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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spartakev2 Anerley 20 Feb 21 8.58am |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Broadly I’m in agreement with your post WJK. It’s not so much that I don’t think well of Hodgson but it’s more the level of hyperbole around his achievements that I struggle with. I was at the Chelsea victory and it was a tactical masterclass with Chelsea totally confused by the fluidity of our play. I also was fortunate enough to witness the away victories under Hodgson at Man City and Arsenal and said to my family at the time to make the most of it as these were once in 20 years type experiences. Probably an 8 out of 10 to Hodgson for the first few years, particularly with the constraints others have highlighted. Since the back end of last season though there are worrying signs. Some really terrible performances with Hodgson looking clueless as to how remedy the situation. He’s moved to a 442 which has left us vulnerable in defence and central midfield. It’s easy to blame our strikers, but how much service is provided to them in reality. We have no attacking threat without Zaha and as manager Hodgson should surely have addressed this situation by now so that we have an alternative way of threatening the opposition. I’m not advocating that he be sacked, merely that for all parties concerned it may be better to have a parting of the ways at the end of the season. If he leaves and it all goes ‘belly up’ I may look back at his tenure fondly!
this is the bit i really dont understand. Hes changed to 442 to presumably make us more of a threat going forward while weakening us defensively. While its weakened us defensively, it hasn't made much difference going forward. Most games we have started with wilf benteke, ayew and eze, with PVA getting forward, and we still rarely look a threat. So are these players not good enough, or is it tactics/training. And as its clearly not working why on earth hadn't he changed it to stop us leaking goals.
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aashman12 20 Feb 21 9.16am |
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Originally posted by eagleheath
Great e mail Dazza. Ignore the haters . Maybe it’s time our disinterested chairman received a few more e mails like this and then maybe just maybe he will take his head out of the sand.
Disinterested, what a crock of s***.
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PatrickA London 20 Feb 21 9.17am |
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There have been spells where 442 worked well for him. Think in particular where he used Cabaye and in form Luka in the central positions with Mcarthur tucked in on the right and RLC tucked in on the left. We had more control in midfield as essentially they were four proper midfield players and Mcarthur and RLC were quite adaptable. Recently Hodgson has tried Ayew and PVA there and it just hasn’t worked. We also have an out of form Luka and a relatively inexperienced Luka in the central areas. This is why we would probably look more secure at the moment if they were bolstered with the addition of Mcarthy and Kouyate to at least make us more competitive and less prone to being outnumbered.
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Midlands Eagle 20 Feb 21 9.24am |
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A quick review of your posting history makes me wonder whether you are referring to your own posts as almost all of them seem to be insulting others who you don't agree with
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