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Mapletree Flag Croydon 12 Apr 22 8.55pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Perhaps they were running to get weapons or to bring reinforcements!
Perhaps they only wanted to sell Martin some lucky heather or clothes pegs?
They broke into someone's home, not for the first time, and sufferred the consequences. If he had not been armed, Martin would possibly have been beaten to death.
It would not be a bad thing if a few more burglars got their comeuppance.

Edited by georgenorman (12 Apr 2022 6.55pm)

So from this I take it that you are a fan of the death penalty for serial burglary but not a fan of trial by jury. Fair enough, I am sure Mr Martin was a great judge of appropriate retribution

Although his legal team apparently did not think so, this from the appeal:

Tony Martin, the farmer who was jailed for shooting dead a teenage burglar at his remote Norfolk home, was suffering from a paranoid personality disorder and a depressive illness at the time, the appeal court was told yesterday.

Sexual abuse suffered as a child may have led Martin to believe he was at risk of being "violated" by the burglars and his mental state could have made him react more violently than the average person, Martin's appeal team argued.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 12 Apr 22 9.50pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

So from this I take it that you are a fan of the death penalty for serial burglary but not a fan of trial by jury. Fair enough, I am sure Mr Martin was a great judge of appropriate retribution

Although his legal team apparently did not think so, this from the appeal:

Tony Martin, the farmer who was jailed for shooting dead a teenage burglar at his remote Norfolk home, was suffering from a paranoid personality disorder and a depressive illness at the time, the appeal court was told yesterday.

Sexual abuse suffered as a child may have led Martin to believe he was at risk of being "violated" by the burglars and his mental state could have made him react more violently than the average person, Martin's appeal team argued.

Certainly I support trial by jury but surely one can disagree with a verdict.
The Death Penalty is not something anyone should be a 'fan' of. However, I think it should be available as a sentence for a judge to pass if he or she thinks the crime is henious enough.
It would have been the job of Martin's defence team to explore every avenue in his appeal.

Edited by georgenorman (12 Apr 2022 9.51pm)

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 22 10.28pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The other day, you were making a case for historical slavers and those that benefitted from it being retrospectively vilified for what was a legal trade.
That doesn't really fit with the rigidity of your assertion regarding shooting burglars and nicking homosexuals.

Surely, a man should be allowed to shoot someone who has invaded his home in the back, front or where ever.
He has lost no matter what. The scum who did it would probably hound him forever and maybe kill him no matter what he did.

What would you do?

I don't recognise the "case" you attribute to me. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else. I don't believe in vilifying anyone. Putting things in their context as the world moves forward, and our understanding evolves, yes. We must do that constantly.

I don't believe in shooting anyone, unless there is an immediate threat to life. I have not expressed an opinion on "nicking homosexuals", only that when homosexual acts were illegal, any that were prosecuted and found guilty were on the wrong side of the law.

No, of course people shouldn't be free to shoot burglars. Stop and think what the consequences of that would be. Not every burglar is in their right mind. Many do it to feed a drug habit. Some because of depression and hunger. Serial burglars need to be detected and punished. If they thought they were likely to be shot, I have no doubt many more would go armed, and the results would not just be dead burglars.

Your argument is to have us replicate the situation in the USA, and no-one sensible should really want that for us

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 12 Apr 22 10.44pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Certainly I support trial by jury but surely one can disagree with a verdict.
The Death Penalty is not something anyone should be a 'fan' of. However, I think it should be available as a sentence for a judge to pass if he or she thinks the crime is henious enough.
It would have been the job of Martin's defence team to explore every avenue in his appeal.

Edited by georgenorman (12 Apr 2022 9.51pm)

Strange as you appeared to believe that Tony Martin was within his rights to be judge, Judy and executioner. Which is it to be? Summary execution of a fleeing burglar or a trial with a jury?

And is execution the correct tariff for the crime?

And should you hoot people that have driven badly after the event or use your horn only to warn of impending danger?

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 12 Apr 22 11.16pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Strange as you appeared to believe that Tony Martin was within his rights to be judge, Judy and executioner. Which is it to be? Summary execution of a fleeing burglar or a trial with a jury?

And is execution the correct tariff for the crime?

And should you hoot people that have driven badly after the event or use your horn only to warn of impending danger?

Did you spend much time quizzing the Arabs on that during your time there?

Are Al Jazeera spending much airtime navel gazing over which directions criminals run in?

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Apr 22 11.36pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Did you spend much time quizzing the Arabs on that during your time there?

Are Al Jazeera spending much airtime navel gazing over which directions criminals run in?

I'd like to think there's at least some consideration as to which way their heads bounce.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Apr 22 12.16am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I'd like to think there's at least some consideration as to which way their heads bounce.

If it bounces off at a 45 degrees angle then Allah says they were innocent.

Then they have to give two barrels of oil to the family.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2022 12.18am)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 13 Apr 22 6.54am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Strange as you appeared to believe that Tony Martin was within his rights to be judge, Judy and executioner. Which is it to be? Summary execution of a fleeing burglar or a trial with a jury?

And is execution the correct tariff for the crime?

And should you hoot people that have driven badly after the event or use your horn only to warn of impending danger?

I havn't said any of these things.
Certainly there should be a trial by jury if the crown prosecutor thinks it is required.
Martin was found guilty of manslaughter, I merely question whether it was a correct verdict.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 13 Apr 22 7.00am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No, of course people shouldn't be free to shoot burglars. Stop and think what the consequences of that would be. Not every burglar is in their right mind. Many do it to feed a drug habit. Some because of depression and hunger. Serial burglars need to be detected and punished. If they thought they were likely to be shot, I have no doubt many more would go armed, and the results would not just be dead burglars.

Of course people should be free to defend themselves. Stop and think what the consequences of not being allowed to do so. It isn't really practicable to inquire into the mental or pharmacological state of whoever has invaded your home and threatened your life and property. Many criminals already go armed with knives and guns yet you want to give them the benefit of the doubt that they won't murder us in our beds.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 13 Apr 22 8.40am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No thanks, I saw what one did to Tommy Cooper.

Just like that

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 13 Apr 22 8.44am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Strange as you appeared to believe that Tony Martin was within his rights to be judge, Judy and executioner. Which is it to be? Summary execution of a fleeing burglar or a trial with a jury?

And is execution the correct tariff for the crime?

And should you hoot people that have driven badly after the event or use your horn only to warn of impending danger?

Judge Judy! She would have sorted it out

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Apr 22 9.37am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Just like that

'Last night I dreamt I ate a large marshmallow, in the morning, I couldn't find my pillow'.

 


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