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Mapletree Croydon 12 Apr 22 8.55pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Perhaps they were running to get weapons or to bring reinforcements! Edited by georgenorman (12 Apr 2022 6.55pm) So from this I take it that you are a fan of the death penalty for serial burglary but not a fan of trial by jury. Fair enough, I am sure Mr Martin was a great judge of appropriate retribution Although his legal team apparently did not think so, this from the appeal: Tony Martin, the farmer who was jailed for shooting dead a teenage burglar at his remote Norfolk home, was suffering from a paranoid personality disorder and a depressive illness at the time, the appeal court was told yesterday. Sexual abuse suffered as a child may have led Martin to believe he was at risk of being "violated" by the burglars and his mental state could have made him react more violently than the average person, Martin's appeal team argued.
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georgenorman 12 Apr 22 9.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
So from this I take it that you are a fan of the death penalty for serial burglary but not a fan of trial by jury. Fair enough, I am sure Mr Martin was a great judge of appropriate retribution Although his legal team apparently did not think so, this from the appeal: Tony Martin, the farmer who was jailed for shooting dead a teenage burglar at his remote Norfolk home, was suffering from a paranoid personality disorder and a depressive illness at the time, the appeal court was told yesterday. Sexual abuse suffered as a child may have led Martin to believe he was at risk of being "violated" by the burglars and his mental state could have made him react more violently than the average person, Martin's appeal team argued. Certainly I support trial by jury but surely one can disagree with a verdict. Edited by georgenorman (12 Apr 2022 9.51pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Apr 22 10.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The other day, you were making a case for historical slavers and those that benefitted from it being retrospectively vilified for what was a legal trade. Surely, a man should be allowed to shoot someone who has invaded his home in the back, front or where ever. What would you do? I don't recognise the "case" you attribute to me. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else. I don't believe in vilifying anyone. Putting things in their context as the world moves forward, and our understanding evolves, yes. We must do that constantly. I don't believe in shooting anyone, unless there is an immediate threat to life. I have not expressed an opinion on "nicking homosexuals", only that when homosexual acts were illegal, any that were prosecuted and found guilty were on the wrong side of the law. No, of course people shouldn't be free to shoot burglars. Stop and think what the consequences of that would be. Not every burglar is in their right mind. Many do it to feed a drug habit. Some because of depression and hunger. Serial burglars need to be detected and punished. If they thought they were likely to be shot, I have no doubt many more would go armed, and the results would not just be dead burglars. Your argument is to have us replicate the situation in the USA, and no-one sensible should really want that for us
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Mapletree Croydon 12 Apr 22 10.44pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Certainly I support trial by jury but surely one can disagree with a verdict. Edited by georgenorman (12 Apr 2022 9.51pm) Strange as you appeared to believe that Tony Martin was within his rights to be judge, Judy and executioner. Which is it to be? Summary execution of a fleeing burglar or a trial with a jury? And is execution the correct tariff for the crime? And should you hoot people that have driven badly after the event or use your horn only to warn of impending danger?
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Stirlingsays 12 Apr 22 11.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Strange as you appeared to believe that Tony Martin was within his rights to be judge, Judy and executioner. Which is it to be? Summary execution of a fleeing burglar or a trial with a jury? And is execution the correct tariff for the crime? And should you hoot people that have driven badly after the event or use your horn only to warn of impending danger? Did you spend much time quizzing the Arabs on that during your time there? Are Al Jazeera spending much airtime navel gazing over which directions criminals run in?
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Apr 22 11.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Did you spend much time quizzing the Arabs on that during your time there? Are Al Jazeera spending much airtime navel gazing over which directions criminals run in? I'd like to think there's at least some consideration as to which way their heads bounce.
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Stirlingsays 13 Apr 22 12.16am | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
I'd like to think there's at least some consideration as to which way their heads bounce. If it bounces off at a 45 degrees angle then Allah says they were innocent. Then they have to give two barrels of oil to the family. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2022 12.18am)
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georgenorman 13 Apr 22 6.54am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Strange as you appeared to believe that Tony Martin was within his rights to be judge, Judy and executioner. Which is it to be? Summary execution of a fleeing burglar or a trial with a jury? And is execution the correct tariff for the crime? And should you hoot people that have driven badly after the event or use your horn only to warn of impending danger? I havn't said any of these things.
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georgenorman 13 Apr 22 7.00am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, of course people shouldn't be free to shoot burglars. Stop and think what the consequences of that would be. Not every burglar is in their right mind. Many do it to feed a drug habit. Some because of depression and hunger. Serial burglars need to be detected and punished. If they thought they were likely to be shot, I have no doubt many more would go armed, and the results would not just be dead burglars. Of course people should be free to defend themselves. Stop and think what the consequences of not being allowed to do so. It isn't really practicable to inquire into the mental or pharmacological state of whoever has invaded your home and threatened your life and property. Many criminals already go armed with knives and guns yet you want to give them the benefit of the doubt that they won't murder us in our beds.
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Spiderman Horsham 13 Apr 22 8.40am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No thanks, I saw what one did to Tommy Cooper. Just like that
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Spiderman Horsham 13 Apr 22 8.44am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Strange as you appeared to believe that Tony Martin was within his rights to be judge, Judy and executioner. Which is it to be? Summary execution of a fleeing burglar or a trial with a jury? And is execution the correct tariff for the crime? And should you hoot people that have driven badly after the event or use your horn only to warn of impending danger? Judge Judy! She would have sorted it out
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Stirlingsays 13 Apr 22 9.37am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Just like that 'Last night I dreamt I ate a large marshmallow, in the morning, I couldn't find my pillow'.
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