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 Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 22 Aug 22 9.07am |
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Originally posted by Willo
One might find criticism about the current ruling apropos 'Handball' but according to the ruling currently in place it was a penalty. My criticisms were aimed at the rules as they currently stand Willo and not the referee, for clarity.
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Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Aug 22 9.22am |
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An arm extended away from the body makes that body bigger, in an unnatural position. One could argue that if this ruling was removed, players could extend their arms to block crosses,shots and headers knowing that if they did so they would not be penalised if the ball made contact with them providing of course they never deliberately moved their arm towards the ball. Anyway, no more to add on this matter as I am mindful of the fact that this discussion veers away from the subject of the Thread.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 22 Aug 22 9.32am |
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Originally posted by Willo
An arm extended away from the body makes that body bigger, in an unnatural position. One could argue that if this ruling was removed, players could extend their arms to block crosses,shots and headers knowing that if they did so they would not be penalised if the ball made contact with them providing of course they never deliberately moved their arm towards the ball. Anyway, no more to add on this matter as I am mindful of the fact that this discussion veers away from the subject of the Thread. That is the point of the rule. Players would soon adapt their arms and hands if it wasn't a pen look at how many defenders put their arms behind their back if they think a ball might hit them.
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thai-eagle  chiang mai 22 Aug 22 9.46am |
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..but you can NOT jump for real without using your arms.
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cryrst  The garden of England 22 Aug 22 10.06am |
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Originally posted by thai-eagle
..but you can NOT jump for real without using your arms. So it’s fair atm then. If the ball touches a defenders arm it’s a penalty and if it touches the attackers arm it’s a free kick. With arms up or down. It’s a disadvantage for a defender but one of those that works for both teams when in attack.
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 YT Oxford 22 Aug 22 10.32am |
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but for the penalty, the VAR recording clearly shows the Villa defender pulling Guehi's shirt as they both jump for the ball. He grabs a good handful of the sleeve and pulls Guehi downwards/himself upwards. That offence alone merits a penalty, but none of the 'Fun Boy Three' on MOTD noticed it.
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Frickin Saweet  South Cronx 22 Aug 22 10.49am |
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Originally posted by YT
I hate to agree with the boy Lineker, but why not keep it simple and judge it on the position of the feet? The sport is called football, after all. Just plot the furthest-forward point of the attacker's foot and compare it with with the furthest-back point of the last defender's foot. i agree with this. There used to be some skill wrong-footing the last man to run clear of the defense. As a defender when I was playing I used to love that battle with the offside trap. But it's all but evaporated because of the current rules.
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| ripleyeagle Ripley Surrey 22 Aug 22 11.13am |
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Originally posted by Willo
An arm extended away from the body makes that body bigger, in an unnatural position. One could argue that if this ruling was removed, players could extend their arms to block crosses,shots and headers knowing that if they did so they would not be penalised if the ball made contact with them providing of course they never deliberately moved their arm towards the ball. Anyway, no more to add on this matter as I am mindful of the fact that this discussion veers away from the subject of the Thread.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Aug 22 11.16am |
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Originally posted by ripleyeagle
It wasn't a good decision but at Palace we need the odd one to go our way. There's been far worse against us, so I'll take it.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Aug 22 11.24am |
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Originally posted by ripleyeagle
I would still have concluded that it was the correct decision based on the current interpretation of handball and I mentioned this last night in conversation with a learned gentleman.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 22 Aug 22 11.34am |
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Handball should revert to deliberate hand/arm to ball. Offside should be when one foot is in front of the last man. It's not difficult. VAR is like the country, if it's broke we won't fix it.
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| YT Oxford 22 Aug 22 11.36am |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
It wasn't a good decision but at Palace we need the odd one to go our way. There's been far worse against us, so I'll take it. It WAS a good decision in that the laws/interpretations as they currently stand dictate that it should be a penalty. It was arguably a BAD decision on the basis that the law is an ass; but ultimately the law is the law.
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