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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jun 24 10.48pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Actually, they did.

100 percent genes? Who?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 11.01pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It was in answer to "Are they English? If not, what do you think they are?”

How come?

It was in response to:-

“You are simply wrong. Ethnicity is solely defined by individuals themselves and determined by the culture they accept as the one they belong to.”

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 17 Jun 24 11.05pm

Where we are today, English is more or less a way to distinguish British who are not Scottish, Welsh or Irish.

Being a British citizen would be a prerequisite of being English.

This then goes on ad nauseam where you had remoaners who defined themselves as " citizens of Europe "

In broad terms "English " would be a cultural rather than legal description.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Jun 24 11.07pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

How come?

It was in response to:-

“You are simply wrong. Ethnicity is solely defined by individuals themselves and determined by the culture they accept as the one they belong to.”

Then treat it as an answer to one observation and one question.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Jun 24 11.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I already said that people can identify as whatever they like.

Try reading the posts.

What you think is irrelevant. Consider that if you can.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (17 Jun 2024 10.08pm)

If what matters is how people self identify what anyone else thinks is irrelevant.

If you now accept that people can identify as whatever they like then this discussion is over. Being English is a social identity. Otherwise known as an ethnicity. Being British is a nationality. Our nationality. We both identify as English despite having significant contributions from elsewhere in our genes. So does the King. Even more so in his case, being 50% Greek on top of his German connections.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 17 Jun 24 11.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If what matters is how people self identify what anyone else thinks is irrelevant.

If you now accept that people can identify as whatever they like then this discussion is over. Being English is a social identity. Otherwise known as an ethnicity. Being British is a nationality. Our nationality. We both identify as English despite having significant contributions from elsewhere in our genes. So does the King. Even more so in his case, being 50% Greek on top of his German connections.

So you can identify as Cornish.

 

Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 18 Jun 24 7.16am

I'll expand on the link between Truro & Brittany.

During the early Mesolithic period, England was connected to a land bridge to Europe called Doggerland, increasing temperatures would end the Ice age & rising sea levels & natural disasters would see Doggerland disappear for good, from this point Britain would embark on an evolutionary & cultural path exclusive from that of Europe.

Fast forward to Celtic Britain, the Romans have left a power vacuum & the Anglos, Saxons & Jutes have started to occupy the Eastern part of England.
As the Anglo Saxons push further West Bretonnic refugees retreated to modern day Wales Scotland & Cornwall.
Fearing subjugation & death the retreating Bretons led by a majority Dumnonii (Cornish a people more or less gentically isolated since the early Mesolithic) would leave England for good & would eventually settle in Bretagne (Brittany or little Britain).
Brittany remained an independent state until joining France in the 1500's however there is a real push for Brittany to become independent again with over 50% of the population wanting to protect it's genetic & cultural identity.
I guess diversity isn't their strength
The Dumnonii (people of Truro) & those of Brittany are genetically the same people.

At this point I'll add that England directly translates to Land of the Angles so by it's very definition you need to be Anglo to be English.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.


Edited by Ouzo Dan (18 Jun 2024 7.54am)

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jun 24 7.26am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If what matters is how people self identify what anyone else thinks is irrelevant.

If you now accept that people can identify as whatever they like then this discussion is over. Being English is a social identity. Otherwise known as an ethnicity. Being British is a nationality. Our nationality. We both identify as English despite having significant contributions from elsewhere in our genes. So does the King. Even more so in his case, being 50% Greek on top of his German connections.

I can identify as a 'Native' American if I like, but that doesn't mean I am.

The absurdity of the idea that who you choose to be somehow alters reality is just plain bonkers.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jun 24 7.28am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I’ll ignore the rudeness.

What you said was wrong. It isn’t a broad, meaningless term! You just want it to be!

The first lines in the link say it very well:-

“An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a common nation of origin, or common sets of ancestry, traditions, language, history, society, religion, or social treatment.”

Later it says:-

“Ethnicity may be construed as an inherited or societally imposed construct. Ethnic membership tends to be defined by a shared cultural heritage, ancestry, origin myth, history, homeland, language, dialect, religion, mythology, folklore, ritual, cuisine, dressing style, art, or physical appearance. Ethnic groups may share a narrow or broad spectrum of genetic ancestry, depending on group identification, with some groups having mixed genetic ancestry.”

The only reference to genetics being that ethic groups may share either broad or narrow genetic ancestry. Which is precisely what I have been saying. Genetics are no guide to ethnicity. They may share some genetics, either broad or narrow. But may not as some have a mixed genetic ancestry.

How much broader can you get?

You are wasting my time, and yours.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jun 24 7.29am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Actually, they did.

So you can point us to that post then?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 24 8.12am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So you can identify as Cornish.

If I thought it was appropriate, but I don’t and I wouldn’t. I am English.

Some who have lived here since birth, but whose parentage isn’t Cornish, have been fully brought up within the local culture, accept and cherish it, would almost certainly identify as Cornish. They would also be accepted as Cornish by others. No one would give a thought to checking their genetic heritage.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 24 8.19am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

How much broader can you get?

You are wasting my time, and yours.

Culture has a broad meaning! It’s not boundless though! It doesn’t include everything.

What you are arguing for is not for any kind of broad definition of culture. You are arguing for the exclusion of culture and for the imposition of a narrow definition based only on genetics.

Not the choice of the individual but the application of your authority!

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 24 8.25am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I can identify as a 'Native' American if I like, but that doesn't mean I am.

The absurdity of the idea that who you choose to be somehow alters reality is just plain bonkers.

You could, but unless you were indeed bonkers, you wouldn’t. You have no cultural connection to their culture at all. You would be foolish and look foolish but if you wanted to do it no one could stop you. Being ridiculous isn’t a crime.

As I said what others think is irrelevant. They have no authority. This is a cultural issue, not a legal one. The legal one defines nationality and we are all British, not English.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 24 8.31am

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

I'll expand on the link between Truro & Brittany.

During the early Mesolithic period, England was connected to a land bridge to Europe called Doggerland, increasing temperatures would end the Ice age & rising sea levels & natural disasters would see Doggerland disappear for good, from this point Britain would embark on an evolutionary & cultural path exclusive from that of Europe.

Fast forward to Celtic Britain, the Romans have left a power vacuum & the Anglos, Saxons & Jutes have started to occupy the Eastern part of England.
As the Anglo Saxons push further West Bretonnic refugees retreated to modern day Wales Scotland & Cornwall.
Fearing subjugation & death the retreating Bretons led by a majority Dumnonii (Cornish a people more or less gentically isolated since the early Mesolithic) would leave England for good & would eventually settle in Bretagne (Brittany or little Britain).
Brittany remained an independent state until joining France in the 1500's however there is a real push for Brittany to become independent again with over 50% of the population wanting to protect it's genetic & cultural identity.
I guess diversity isn't their strength
The Dumnonii (people of Truro) & those of Brittany are genetically the same people.

At this point I'll add that England directly translates to Land of the Angles so by it's very definition you need to be Anglo to be English.

Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.


Edited by Ouzo Dan (18 Jun 2024 7.54am)

Not now there’re not! There’s more from London and the South East. Who themselves will have as mixed a genetic heritage as anywhere in the UK.

What was, isn’t! What is, won’t be!

 


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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 18 Jun 24 8.44am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not now there’re not! There’s more from London and the South East. Who themselves will have as mixed a genetic heritage as anywhere in the UK.

What was, isn’t! What is, won’t be!

I honestly dont have the energy

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jun 24 9.23am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You could, but unless you were indeed bonkers, you wouldn’t. You have no cultural connection to their culture at all. You would be foolish and look foolish but if you wanted to do it no one could stop you. Being ridiculous isn’t a crime.

As I said what others think is irrelevant. They have no authority. This is a cultural issue, not a legal one. The legal one defines nationality and we are all British, not English.

Someone can claim an identity as much as they like, but everyone else has to accept it to make it credible.

That is the key point.

None of this has anything to do with the factual reality of genetic heritage and characteristics.

You can keep responding to my posts forever. It won't make you right.

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 18 Jun 24 9.46am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If I thought it was appropriate, but I don’t and I wouldn’t. I am English.

Some who have lived here since birth, but whose parentage isn’t Cornish, have been fully brought up within the local culture, accept and cherish it, would almost certainly identify as Cornish. They would also be accepted as Cornish by others. No one would give a thought to checking their genetic heritage.

Having read this description I concur there is indeed quite a difference between Cornwall and England.


The Cornish has a broad, well muscled body. Its legs are of large diameter and widely spaced. The large deep set eyes, projecting brows and strong, slightly curved beak give the Cornish a rather cruel expression. Cornish males are often pugnacious and the chicks tend to be more cannibalistic than some breeds.

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Jun 24 12.42pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I can identify as a 'Native' American if I like, but that doesn't mean I am.

The absurdity of the idea that who you choose to be somehow alters reality is just plain bonkers.

But who'll be the construction worker, the policeman, the cowboy, the biker and the army guy?

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jun 24 1.21pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

But who'll be the construction worker, the policeman, the cowboy, the biker and the army guy?

Are you volunteering?

 

PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 18 Jun 24 4.07pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

....You see this happen in large Islamic communities for example

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2024 6.30pm)

the existence of these mono-cultural ghettoes is a testament to the failures of Labour & Tories. As a minimum, such communities should be 30% Polish, 10% French, 10% irish etc.

The young kids, in the playground, need to learn to all get along. Ghetto-mentalities beget sectarianism and civil strife. As we have seen in Ulster, Kashmir & the middle East.

Its not multiculturalism if there isnt any 'multi'.


I would still use taxpayer money to shove a bit of diversity into these places. Although it is probably too late. The current incumbents would probably see it as a declaration of War. And would show their new neighbours about as much welcome as the Nazi's welcoming Brits onto the Beaches of Normandy.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (18 Jun 2024 4.12pm)

 


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