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.TUX. Flag 18 May 17 9.23pm

Originally posted by susmik

You are right Rudi: [Link]

And as for obesity: [Link]

You were quite right in saying obesity costs the NHS a fortune and something should be done about it.
Why is it that when you walk down the high street the largest looking person male or female is ALWAYS eating the largest pie available or the biggest ice cream on sale. It looks pretty awful and it seems they just do not care.

Stop pretending 'fat free is good' while pumping sugar into everything as a taste substitute would be a start?
Once again, you've proven yourself to be not too bright.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 18 May 17 9.41pm

Why stop at fatties?....I mean there is smokers, drunks, druggies, tramps, mentally ill, suicidal, the reckless.

Hell....Lets just allow 'normal' people to have 'free' healthcare.....Hell, it isn't as though the NHS was always meant to be for the nation.

Seriously guys.....Sometimes you just have to put up with s*** for the greater good because otherwise you commit something far worse.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 May 2017 9.42pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 May 17 9.56pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Stop pretending 'fat free is good' while pumping sugar into everything as a taste substitute would be a start?
Once again, you've proven yourself to be not too bright.

The human body is designed to survive. It craves fat and sugar. In a world where high calorie food is constantly available and people do less activity, this is bound to present a problem.
The individual has to make sensible choices and control their natural urge to eat.
There are potential health problems with fat and sugar but calories are calories and people need to eat less of them to manage their body fat levels.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (18 May 2017 9.57pm)

 

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 18 May 17 9.57pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Your attitude makes no sense at all.

Inheritance money has already been taxed. Why should people pay an extortionate amount of tax to get what should be theirs?

How is it theirs. It belongs to whoever gave it to them. That's like saying companies should pay no tax as their income comes from consumers who have already paid income tax.

My point is the recipient and beneficiary has paid no tax. And not earned it!

 

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 18 May 17 10.02pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I'd say a fairer system would be to tax the recipient not the estate.

But essentially for the beneficiary they have done literally nothing to earn it other than be a member of the lucky sperm club.

In that case, in your final days, you might as well cash in all your assets and have a big bonfire in your garden of all the cash rather than letting it get into the hands of taxman.

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 18 May 17 10.05pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

How is it theirs. It belongs to whoever gave it to them. That's like saying companies should pay no tax as their income comes from consumers who have already paid income tax.

My point is the recipient and beneficiary has paid no tax. And not earned it!

It is theirs because as you say, it has been given to them. Comparing it to income tax is a facile argument. What next, taxing birthday presents or wedding gifts?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 May 17 10.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

So you want funding switched from A&E maybe to caring for the elderly? Or would you prefer a rise in income tax that can disappear down the black hole of NHS waste?
This is not a perfect world. People with assets should pay for themselves and it's tough luck on their kids.
I'd also like to inherit my share but that is now at risk for many.

In the end (sweeping generalisation aside) It's accepted that Tories only worry about themselves and their circumstances) we all do to a degree. That's why Tories will lose votes. I'd say they won't switch parties, they just won't vote.

 

Mstrobez Flag 18 May 17 10.14pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Some have no self respect or respect for anything. Those outside Greggs I'm talking about, doing the sweep and brush of pastry flakes off their clothes.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 May 2017 8.36pm)

Would you not say that's the sign of someone perhaps with mental health issues? And if not how would you prove that? Pretty sure if you told a psychiatrist that, they'd deem you to at least suffer from some form of depression. So what then under your scheme?

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 May 17 10.16pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

It is theirs because as you say, it has been given to them. Comparing it to income tax is a facile argument. What next, taxing birthday presents or wedding gifts?

You buy gifts out of your income after it has been taxed also VAT depending on what it is.

 

elgrande Flag bedford 18 May 17 10.23pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Would you not say that's the sign of someone perhaps with mental health issues? And if not how would you prove that? Pretty sure if you told a psychiatrist that, they'd deem you to at least suffer from some form of depression. So what then under your scheme?

So you are saying that all fat people suffer from depression.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 18 May 17 10.26pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

How is it theirs. It belongs to whoever gave it to them. That's like saying companies should pay no tax as their income comes from consumers who have already paid income tax.

My point is the recipient and beneficiary has paid no tax. And not earned it!

Anjem Choudary, convicted of supporting terrorism, was in receipt of around £25,000 a year in tax-payer funded benefits. Did he pay any tax or earn it? Is it ok for such people to receive such money from people who otherwise would leave it to their children?

 


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becky Flag over the moon 18 May 17 10.26pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

It is theirs because as you say, it has been given to them. Comparing it to income tax is a facile argument. What next, taxing birthday presents or wedding gifts?



They already do (monetary gifts over certain limits).... see 'Exempted Gifts' a bit down the page [Link]

Edited by becky (18 May 2017 10.27pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 May 17 10.27pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Would you not say that's the sign of someone perhaps with mental health issues? And if not how would you prove that? Pretty sure if you told a psychiatrist that, they'd deem you to at least suffer from some form of depression. So what then under your scheme?

Why engage in this this diversionary tactic of whataboutery? Argue about who deserves treatment and who doesn't to the NHS thread. Anyone would think some on the right were throwing in a dead cat to move the debate away from the subject of an appalling conservative manifesto.

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 18 May 17 10.27pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

You buy gifts out of your income after it has been taxed also VAT depending on what it is.

You buy your house out of your income after it has been taxed plus pay stamp duty.

To say the state should take a persons estate when they die is ridiculous not least because people will make sure that they get rid of everything anyway.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 May 17 10.30pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Anjem Choudary, convicted of supporting terrorism, was in receipt of around £25,000 a year in tax-payer funded benefits. Did he pay any tax or earn it? Is it ok for such people to receive such money from people who otherwise would leave it to their children?

We can chuck around lots of names in a tax w***er top trumps if you want. I'm going to raise your Anjem Choudary with Philip May.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 May 17 10.36pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

You buy your house out of your income after it has been taxed plus pay stamp duty.

To say the state should take a persons estate when they die is ridiculous not least because people will make sure that they get rid of everything anyway.

Nothing is certain but death and taxes Y.


 

Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 18 May 17 10.40pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

We can chuck around lots of names in a tax w***er top trumps if you want. I'm going to raise your Anjem Choudary with Philip May.

Pah. I'll raise you Lord "Daily Mail" Rothermere.

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 18 May 17 11.08pm

I will give you the two tax avoiding Tonys. Benn & Blair £££

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 May 17 11.30pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Would you not say that's the sign of someone perhaps with mental health issues? And if not how would you prove that? Pretty sure if you told a psychiatrist that, they'd deem you to at least suffer from some form of depression. So what then under your scheme?

You're telling me that the mr and Mrs chav walking down the street, munching on pasties, or the middle class, semi retired couple filling up their Sainsburys shopping trolley with 25% off when you buy 6 plus bottles of wine yet can't stop at 1 or 2 glasses are depressed?

Come off it. Some people are greedy feckers and have no care or concern for their health because the tab is picked up by the NHS.

You see loads of fat parents, picking up their fat kids when it would only take 15 mins to walk home from high school. I wouldn't care but it's now affecting other's health or healthcare provision.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (18 May 2017 11.31pm)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 18 May 17 11.37pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

In that case, in your final days, you might as well cash in all your assets and have a big bonfire in your garden of all the cash rather than letting it get into the hands of taxman.

This is where the policy doesn't work. Have loads of big family holidays just before you need care. Maybe downsize to spend it. There will still be plenty who wouldn't I suppose so it'll still deliver a lot of revenue.

You will not be able to pass it on 7 years+ before death which is not as straightforward and possible as people believe, and in this case it'd be fraud to pass it on or 'sell' assets or change names on deeds etc.

 


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