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 cpfc_chap  koh samui 27 May 19 7.37am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
And leavers from anywhere and everywhere voted brexit party. Agree, but initial data shows a cumulative win for remain parties here. I would imagine many leave votes wouldn't have bother voting due to us already having a referendum to leave which the government have not yet acted on! Where as the remainers would have been out in numbers to prove there love for the EU!
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Badger11  Beckenham 27 May 19 7.50am |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
If you assume no ‘no deal’ supporters voted labor, lib dem, change or green, and only some who voted conservative in addition to the vast majority of Brexit voters (but not all) and ukip, then the answer is clear that the single most popular option would be to revoke article 50 rather than crash out, assuming it’s no deal or revoke. It's not a referendum but I think you have to go on the party manifesto's rather that on what you think people voted for. On that basis Labour is Brexit until they change their policy. So far it looks like this: Brexit Parties %: Brexit party 32 Total 58 Remain % Total 33 It would be a lot clearer for the public if Labour became a a pro remain party but right now you have to go with their official party policy.
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| Midlands Eagle 27 May 19 8.07am |
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Originally posted by cpfc_chap
I disagree as I think that most leavers would have voted for Brexit Party as a lesson to Parliament as to what we want with Remainers voting Lib Dem or Green in desperation to try and get another referendum
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 May 19 8.15am |
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Alistair Campbell is spinning that last night was a victory for the Remain parties. Thank god he doesn't do my taxes.
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| silvertop Portishead 27 May 19 8.24am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No that's not accurate. Soft leavers would still have voted for Labour due to their policy of actually leaving. What is true is that no 'no deal' voters would have voted Labour. The real split between leave and remain isn't really knowable and that was always the case with Labour's position. There is something of a north south divide for labour. Down here no labour supporter backs no deal. Try having that conversation in Northumberland or Lincolnshire. One of the main reasons for labour's ambiguity on the issue. That and the fact that their leader is a fanatical brexiteer who voted remain.
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| silvertop Portishead 27 May 19 8.25am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Alistair Campbell is spinning that last night was a victory for the Remain parties. Thank god he doesn't do my taxes. 53% remain. Maths not you strong point?
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| cpfc_chap koh samui 27 May 19 8.32am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I disagree as I think that most leavers would have voted for Brexit Party as a lesson to Parliament as to what we want with Remainers voting Lib Dem or Green in desperation to try and get another referendum They would have voted Brexit for sure I am talking general turnout of voters! Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage said he was ready to "take on" the Tories and Labour in a general election.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 May 19 8.40am |
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Please break that down are you including Labour in the Remain? They are not a Remain party.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 May 19 8.58am |
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This is a classic from the BBC straight out of the Stalin book for accountancy. 1.Anti Brexit 40.4 (Lib Dems, Green, SNP, Change UK Plaid) So the Anti Brexit parties have it. Hang on why are the Tories and Labour not included? If they are excluded because they are more than just about Brexit well then that also applied to the Lib Dems. Green, SNP etc. If you are going to tally up the parties you have to include Labour and Tory as Brexit which is their official policy.
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Originally posted by Badger11
This is a classic from the BBC straight out of the Stalin book for accountancy. 1.Anti Brexit 40.4 (Lib Dems, Green, SNP, Change UK Plaid) So the Anti Brexit parties have it. Hang on why are the Tories and Labour not included? If they are excluded because they are more than just about Brexit well then that also applied to the Lib Dems. Green, SNP etc. If you are going to tally up the parties you have to include Labour and Tory as Brexit which is their official policy. I totally agree, I find the spin embaracing
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| Stirlingsays 27 May 19 9.07am |
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The BBC are so impartial, so objective. Unfit for purpose.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Stirlingsays 27 May 19 9.09am |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
The only way to have got a fully accurate picture of leave/remain feeling would have been for the remain camp to have started The Remain Party in direct competition to The Brexit Party. All this adding up various parties votes to compare against the Brexit Party is fantasy.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 May 19 9.22am |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
The only way to have got a fully accurate picture of leave/remain feeling would have been for the remain camp to have started The Remain Party in direct competition to The Brexit Party. All this adding up various parties votes to compare against the Brexit Party is fantasy. Agreed as the BBC slide shows. I really hope Labour becomes a full on Remain party so we get rid of the ambiguity.
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| Stirlingsays 27 May 19 9.45am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I am so mad I have just complained to the BBC I expect they will have a BS response but it's really disgusting. I think you can argue that The Brexit party, UKIP and Change UK are pretty much Brexit related parties. I would imagine supporters of all other parties would argue they have other policies and are a more broad based church. So I don't see how you can argue that the Tories and Labour should be not be included in the numbers whilst counting the Lib Dems and the Greens etc. I am spitting feather. I admire your energy levels. I gave up going through the process of complaining to the BBC about six months ago. Looking at their coverage, especially the website you could end up doing little else all day. The fact that they are on the public purse when their stance on Brexit has been laid bare is incriminating. I just try to limit my interactions with the BBC down to a minimal now and wait for the day when their unjust tax is made an optional one instead of one that's deliberately difficult to avoid.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 May 19 9.46am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I disagree as I think that most leavers would have voted for Brexit Party as a lesson to Parliament as to what we want with Remainers voting Lib Dem or Green in desperation to try and get another referendum Yes I’d halve the labour vote and give each side half. It’s still a pre Brexit result, by far.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 May 19 9.48am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
My thoughts, some votes are still to be counted. Labour and especially the Tories were crushed. At the last GE they got 80% of the vote between them this time it looks like around 24%. Brexit party just 6 weeks old swept all before. The politicians had better pay attention. Lib Dems gobbled up the Remain vote. The Greens have done well again. UKIP collapsed. As I have said previously we don't vote for extremists in this country so all the nonsense about the rise of the far right* is just that. Change UK. Who? They're slogan should be we want Change by remaining the same. No surprise they failed I think the voters saw them for what they were a bunch of bitter losers from both parties. So what now. Tories, worst election ever. If I was a Tory MP on a small majority and wanting to save my job I would be thinking warm and fuzzy thoughts about Boris. None of the other candidates have brand recognition I am not sure he would be a good PM but for the Tories this is about damage limitation. Labour. Last night Emily Thornberry said "the results show we need a second referendum". Really Emily is that what you take from this? Lord Adonis at least had the good sense to refuse to speak to the media. My guess is that for once Corbyn is actually right I think a GE may happen before the year is out with a new Tory leader and possibly a new Labour leader.
She says that while her poor bstard husband Rogers her in the dark.
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Park Road  27 May 19 9.48am |
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In plain English... who's the winner by a majority of more votes than anyone else?
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