So you believe people realised how much worse off they would be post Brexit? I don't. The economics was not properly explained and the people trusted populist statements.

In addition, the people that voted are no longer the the same as the people who would live with the vote. The demographics have changed such that a Brexit vote now would be unlikely. Young people will refuse to be saddled with the lack of informed choice that drove the first vote. The longer the impasse lasts the more the voters will have changed.

I would urge you to think again.

The referendum was NOT democratic. No referendum in the UK can be because referendums are not recognised in our system. What gave it democratic legitimacy were the commitments given to respect the result and the enactment of Article 50. However everyone, MPs included, are entitled to change their mind in the light of new knowledge or changed circumstances. Commitments can be withdrawn and Acts repealed.

Rather than being a failure of our democracy what we are witnessing is a triumph of it, as the will of Parliament is being shown to be paramount. So this actually reflects very well on us as a democracy. It's just such a pity that so many don't understand this.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 May 2019 3.26pm)

Seems like a stupid decision to pick a fight with with the "King of Spin".

Second post today I agree with you on.

There are a few politicians like Blair/Johnson/Campbell/Cameron who despite being unpopular can come up with soundbites that can destroy opponents.

Seems like a stupid decision to pick a fight with with the "King of Spin".

So lads, you want a no deal "WTO" exit.

Does anyone understand what the really, really means?

If you are advocating for it, enlighten me about what it means, how we get there, and why its better than the current trading setup.

The current trading option isn't available as a stand alone.

A WTO exit is only a starting point as we would be negotiating our own trading deals too and they would be deals that suit us and not France or Germany.

Once we are out the EU would be keen to discuss trading with us anyway as both French and German car manufacturers won't want 10% tariffs on their cars here and that's just for starters

Sadly, you aren't getting this.

I have not labelled anyone populist, I have stated that arguments made were populist. As you know I do not favour the labelling of people.

For your enlightenment:

Populism refers to a range of political stances that emphasise the idea of "the people" and often juxtapose this group against "the elite".

You complete numpty

Remain was and is the preference for the large majority of middle class......they want things to remain just as they are because it benefits them....mostly the nimby types.

Leave is the preference for large majority of working class and those middle class who remember where they came from.

As I always believed that the EU election result would be meaningless in terms of any impact on Brexit I have stayed away from the instant analysis. I guess the only real benefit might be to those who try to analyse voting trends in the various regions.

I do though follow Louise Mensch on Twitter who is, among many other things, a committed Brexiteer. She posted this, which I thought sufficiently interesting to share here:-

"So it’s another woeful performance for @Nigel_Farage. Brexit Party IS UKIP, yet even with Tories in chaos he only picked up an extra 5 seats. Cons have 4, not none. Remain beat Brexit overall.

Forget the hot takes. That’s a very bad result for Farage under these circumstances."

From a Brexiteer I think that is quite insightful.