Precisely. We need to leave, but we don't need to leave on no deal. Leaving on a managed deal is not 'not leaving'. That, is a fact.

Customs Union comes closest to remaining, and for that reason I can't see that version happening. Will no doubt end up being some sort of frankensteined May deal, with an extension into 2020.

The more I think about it the more I think a second ref is unlikely, or at least a one with no deal and deal as the only two options. Can't see the politicos putting the most feared option on the table to the plebs again. Too risky.

And to those surprised at the continuing obfuscation – you can't say there is a corrupt political elite making decisions for themselves one minute then expect them to simply ratify something like this without a hitch the next. Naive at best.

Makes me laugh - hating the system because it’s protecting its own interests then expecting the same system to implement something that goes against the grain.

As long as we do leave, I can't see room for complaint. You can wish you had a harder, softer or no brexit at all, but the result of the vote will have been honoured. Choosing 'leave' did not mean 'no deal'. Considering the vote split had the option been 'Leave with no deal on WTO terms' Remain would probably have won. So every cloud. And that's that

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

So Carney and Hammond have lied then? They have assured us that we will be in financial meltdown....should we prosecute?

They did. According to a LibDem Councillor I spoke with who had taken her seat from UKIP they are now changing their minds in droves.

I'd not quite looked at it this way. You do come across as a balanced voice in a tribal atmosphere. To me remaining makes little sense, as it goes against the majority vote. Those voices and that fact aren't going away just because some close their eyes to it, that's true even if the vote is 'somehow' overturned. It's a reality that remainers need to face.

At the same time though, this 'f*ck em all off', boo hiss EU attitude is shortsighted. Ultimately we have more in common with our European partners than those elsewhere around the world and so logically it makes little sense to dismiss them or for the relationship between us to become more and more hostile.

A sensible and reciprocal attitude with close European nations, where we have control over immigration policy makes a hell of a lot more sense than this, 'f*ck the EU, think of the opportunities in Guam' style attitude.

A balanced exit 'if possible' is not the end of the world, and so I hope the EU and UK can achieve that, rather that this gungho complete and sudden exit strategy. I've travelled around a bit in Europe lately, and while views vary I've come across a few people in countries that clearly are a hair's breadth different to our own who seem to think we actively dislike them and what they stand for. I don't want out allegiances, or indeed or union to increasingly fragment, and so acknowledge that comprises need to be made on all sides. Sometimes to compromise can indicate acceptable of a reality, rather than demonstration of weakness.

The hysteria and endless dragging on of this process due to our failing punch and judy party system is obscuring basic realities. A personal flavour of 'leave' from a menu is less important than actually just getting on and doing it.

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Piers (huge t*** - I hope personal insults to dicks like Piers Morgan are allowed here) is correct, no one voted for a deal.

No one voted for a deal, or no deal. No one voted for Norway plus. No one voted for any specifics, just to leave.

That is exactly the problem, so for once that massive dick Piers Morgan hit the nail on the head.

No one voted for no deal, so to impose it upon people is undemocratic. The WA deal is dead in the water, and lets face it, its half in half out of the EU, its not a real Brexit.

If no deal is the only way to actually leave now, then it should be voted on again, versus remaining in the EU.

If the people opt for a no deal brexit, as a majority, then bring it on and get it over with.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

He's an annoyance at times, because he's essentially always looking to play the role of 'click-bait headline' in any discussion. By which I mean that he'll say whatever he needs to get noticed at the time, wherever it's left or right. It's about coverage not beliefs for him. One minute he's slagging off someone on the left, then the right, then smoking a spliff in a Mike Tyson podcast. It's entertaining, but it's about him rather than the nation.

Not true.

Know how I know?

Cos a mate of a mate in old Devonshire is a farmers son, bay.

And he does say, bay, that his old gaffer done regrets it, bay.

So that’s one.

Also the head of the national farmers union is fairly clear on this issue.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Out here in SK pretty much everyone I speak to (demograph roughly 25yrs to about 40yrs) want Britain to just leave the EU. The EU isn't hugely popular amongst the working class here whilst the middle class think its the greatest thing ever.
There's a fair bit of corruption that goes on with eu money being pocketed on projects & people tend to blame both sides, think this is where the general negative sentiment comes from.

The older generation here want a return to communism & see the EU as a s*** version of that.

I got my residency a few months back & it was all pretty straight forward.
Spent half a day at an immigration centre which resembled a prison.
The whole thing was conducted in Slovak with not a word spoken in English so I was lucky to have my gf there to speak on my behalf at times.
I had to produce a letter stating I would not claim any benefits, had to show I had 200eur in my wallet to feed myself & demonstrate I had a place to live, then it was a case of having your photos/fingerprints taken & my ID was in the post.
We asked what happens once Britain leaves the EU & there's a bit of additional paperwork that needs signing but they already have the system in place.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

Do we give money to the EU . YES
Could it go to the NHS instead. YES.