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dannyboy1978 30 May 19 7.01am
Look at the spun head line to discreaded brexit. BBC News - Brexit shutdown slashes UK car production by 45% [Link] Then goes to say. "Production for both home and overseas markets fell by 43.7% and 44.7% respectively." "The stoppages in the factories have exacerbated a continuing slow down in the global car industry caused by the trade tensions between the US and China, uncertainties over the arrival of electric and self driving cars, and tougher environmental controls after the VW emissions scandal." Didnt we have mass job cuts in the 80's when car factories closed down whilst in the EU and later rover closed down. If Boris is going to court this should be considered bbc story should also. Edited by dannyboy1978 (30 May 2019 7.47am)

dannyboy1978

30 May 19 7.01am

Look at the spun head line to discreaded brexit.
BBC News - Brexit shutdown slashes UK car production by 45%
[Link]
Then goes to say.
"Production for both home and overseas markets fell by 43.7% and 44.7% respectively."
"The stoppages in the factories have exacerbated a continuing slow down in the global car industry caused by the trade tensions between the US and China, uncertainties over the arrival of electric and self driving cars, and tougher environmental controls after the VW emissions scandal."
Didnt we have mass job cuts in the 80's when car factories closed down whilst in the EU and later rover closed down.
If Boris is going to court this should be considered bbc story should also.

Edited by dannyboy1978 (30 May 2019 7.47am)

Ouzo Dan Behind you 30 May 19 7.19am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle 3 lies. Lie 1 - the figure. Lie 2 - the NHS piece. Lie 3 - dumbing down the entire topic by conflating a number which has many intangibles connected to it with domestic spending when they are totally unrelated, creating a false connection. You haven't answered my question. 1. The figure - erm yeah it's out a bit but I've already explained this, it's somewhat a half truth. Ill give you this one. 2. The NHS piece We send the EU £350m a week Let's fund our NHS instead vote leave It doesn't say give all 350m a week to the NHS although it's sensible to think that should we save x amount by leaving some of it can fund the NHS. Its accurate enough. 3. Dumbing down the topic Britain pays in more than it gets out, it's the side of a bus, what on earth do you expect to be printed on the side of a bus? Perhaps it should be covered in small print, would that make it more palatable? Again nothing to see here. The legal action is a grotesque waste of time & money, its been funded by hard Remainers who see anyone who doesn't conform to their npc hive mind as literal reincarnations of Hitler, ie. They should never be taken seriously. Fbpe = farage beating practically everyone Edited by Ouzo Dan (30 May 2019 7.26am) The mountains are calling & I must go.

Ouzo Dan

Behind you 30 May 19 7.19am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

3 lies.

Lie 1 - the figure.

Lie 2 - the NHS piece.

Lie 3 - dumbing down the entire topic by conflating a number which has many intangibles connected to it with domestic spending when they are totally unrelated, creating a false connection.

You haven't answered my question.

1. The figure - erm yeah it's out a bit but I've already explained this, it's somewhat a half truth.
Ill give you this one.

2. The NHS piece
We send the EU £350m a week
Let's fund our NHS instead
vote leave
It doesn't say give all 350m a week to the NHS although it's sensible to think that should we save x amount by leaving some of it can fund the NHS.
Its accurate enough.

3. Dumbing down the topic
Britain pays in more than it gets out, it's the side of a bus, what on earth do you expect to be printed on the side of a bus? Perhaps it should be covered in small print, would that make it more palatable?
Again nothing to see here.

The legal action is a grotesque waste of time & money, its been funded by hard Remainers who see anyone who doesn't conform to their npc hive mind as literal reincarnations of Hitler, ie. They should never be taken seriously.

Fbpe = farage beating practically everyone

Edited by Ouzo Dan (30 May 2019 7.26am)

The mountains are calling & I must go.

Badger11 Beckenham 30 May 19 7.22am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Look at the spun head line to discreaded brexit. BBC News - Brexit shutdown slashes UK car production by 45% [Link] Then goes to say. "Production for both home and overseas markets fell by 43.7% and 44.7% respectively." "The stoppages in the factories have exacerbated a continuing slow down in the global car industry caused by the trade tensions between the US and China, uncertainties over the arrival of electric and self driving cars, and tougher environmental controls after the VW emissions scandal." If Boris is going to court this should be considered also. Yup I saw the headline but when you read the article the two don't tally. That is not to say that the Brexit isn't isn't having an impact but you only have to look at worldwide car production to realise the main causes of the downturn. Inevitably the paper are now investigating the person who brought the case against Boris. Like most of us he is not perfect, expect a few skeletons to fall out of his cupboard. It has also been pointed out that Boris wasn't the only one using the £350million claim, a number of other high profile Leave politicians also did so why are they not being prosecuted as well? One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 30 May 19 7.22am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Look at the spun head line to discreaded brexit.
BBC News - Brexit shutdown slashes UK car production by 45%
[Link]
Then goes to say.
"Production for both home and overseas markets fell by 43.7% and 44.7% respectively."
"The stoppages in the factories have exacerbated a continuing slow down in the global car industry caused by the trade tensions between the US and China, uncertainties over the arrival of electric and self driving cars, and tougher environmental controls after the VW emissions scandal."
If Boris is going to court this should be considered also.

Yup I saw the headline but when you read the article the two don't tally. That is not to say that the Brexit isn't isn't having an impact but you only have to look at worldwide car production to realise the main causes of the downturn.

Inevitably the paper are now investigating the person who brought the case against Boris. Like most of us he is not perfect, expect a few skeletons to fall out of his cupboard.

It has also been pointed out that Boris wasn't the only one using the £350million claim, a number of other high profile Leave politicians also did so why are they not being prosecuted as well?

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 30 May 19 7.25am
Apparently the wrong winners were shown on BGT must be a Remainer doing the scores. [Link] One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 30 May 19 7.25am

Apparently the wrong winners were shown on BGT must be a Remainer doing the scores.

[Link]

One more point

cpfc_chap koh samui 30 May 19 7.30am
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan You haven't answered my question. 1. The figure - erm yeah it's out a bit but I've already explained this, it's somewhat a half truth. Ill give you this one. 2. The NHS piece We send the EU £350m a week Let's fund our NHS instead vote leave It doesn't say give all 350m a week to the NHS although it's sensible to think that should we save x amount by leaving some of it can fund the NHS. Its accurate enough. 3. Dumbing down the topic Britain pays in more than it gets out, it's the side of a bus, what on earth do you expect to be printed on the side of a bus? Perhaps it should be covered in small print, would that make it more palatable? Again nothing to see here. The legal action is a grotesque waste of time & money, its been funded by hard Remainers who see anyone different to their npc hive mind as literal reincarnations of Hitler, ie. They should never be taken seriously. Edited by Ouzo Dan (30 May 2019 7.22am) They are still clutching at straws. Remainers are becoming a bit loathsome to me and starting become the real thickos of society

cpfc_chap

koh samui 30 May 19 7.30am

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

You haven't answered my question.

1. The figure - erm yeah it's out a bit but I've already explained this, it's somewhat a half truth.
Ill give you this one.

The legal action is a grotesque waste of time & money, its been funded by hard Remainers who see anyone different to their npc hive mind as literal reincarnations of Hitler, ie. They should never be taken seriously.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (30 May 2019 7.22am)

They are still clutching at straws. Remainers are becoming a bit loathsome to me and starting become the real thickos of society

dannyboy1978 30 May 19 7.39am
So if the UK gives the EU 13 billion a year but gets back 4 billion in a rebate, does anyone know who chooses where the 4 billion is spent or goes? My thinking is if the EU chooses where the 4 billions goes then actually if we left the EU we could literally give , if we choose to give the NHS 13 billion a year. anyone know what that is a week?

dannyboy1978

30 May 19 7.39am

So if the UK gives the EU 13 billion a year but gets back 4 billion in a rebate, does anyone know who chooses where the 4 billion is spent or goes?

My thinking is if the EU chooses where the 4 billions goes then actually if we left the EU we could literally give , if we choose to give the NHS 13 billion a year.
anyone know what that is a week?

Badger11 Beckenham 30 May 19 7.49am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 So if the UK gives the EU 13 billion a year but gets back 4 billion in a rebate, does anyone know who chooses where the 4 billion is spent or goes? My thinking is if the EU chooses where the 4 billions goes then actually if we left the EU we could literally give , if we choose to give the NHS 13 billion a year. anyone know what that is a week? I don't think that Boris has lied. He has skewed the numbers to make a point but all politicians do. Ask the Tories how the economy is doing they will reel off a load of facts that tell you it's great. Ask Corbyn the same question and you will get a different answer because it's cherry picking. Edited by Badger11 (30 May 2019 7.49am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 30 May 19 7.49am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

So if the UK gives the EU 13 billion a year but gets back 4 billion in a rebate, does anyone know who chooses where the 4 billion is spent or goes?

My thinking is if the EU chooses where the 4 billions goes then actually if we left the EU we could literally give , if we choose to give the NHS 13 billion a year.
anyone know what that is a week?

I don't think that Boris has lied. He has skewed the numbers to make a point but all politicians do. Ask the Tories how the economy is doing they will reel off a load of facts that tell you it's great. Ask Corbyn the same question and you will get a different answer because it's cherry picking.

Edited by Badger11 (30 May 2019 7.49am)

One more point

Mapletree Croydon 30 May 19 8.49am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Your usual nonsense. All just lies and propaganda. It is a fact she took a seat from UKIP in a by election last autumn.

Mapletree

Croydon 30 May 19 8.49am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Your usual nonsense.

All just lies and propaganda.

It is a fact she took a seat from UKIP in a by election last autumn.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 May 19 9.36am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Your usual nonsense. All just lies and propaganda. It isn't. I live in the south west and some of my friends are farmers. Two I have spoken to in recent days were originally strong leavers, mainly because of a dislike of all the bureaucracy and paperwork and the idea they would be to trade freely. Now they understand that the paperwork will get even more complicated and confusing and have no idea what will be needed so cannot plan effectively. Reality has dawned in the south west at least in some minds. Whether in "droves" I cannot tell. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 30 May 19 9.36am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Your usual nonsense.

All just lies and propaganda.

It isn't.

I live in the south west and some of my friends are farmers.

Two I have spoken to in recent days were originally strong leavers, mainly because of a dislike of all the bureaucracy and paperwork and the idea they would be to trade freely. Now they understand that the paperwork will get even more complicated and confusing and have no idea what will be needed so cannot plan effectively. Reality has dawned in the south west at least in some minds. Whether in "droves" I cannot tell.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

DANGERCLOSE London 30 May 19 10.23am
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DANGERCLOSE

London 30 May 19 10.23am

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dannyboy1978 30 May 19 10.52am
This could back fire for the remoaners. If Boris Johnson states the facts and makes a clear case that 350 million a week could in theory go to the NHS if britain so wishes then the case to leave is increased. Fingers crossed lol

dannyboy1978

30 May 19 10.52am

This could back fire for the remoaners. If Boris Johnson states the facts and makes a clear case that 350 million a week could in theory go to the NHS if britain so wishes then the case to leave is increased. Fingers crossed lol

Badger11 Beckenham 30 May 19 10.58am
Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE [Tweet Link] [Tweet Link] Smart move by Farage if the Tories don't want to be wiped out at the next GE by his party then they had best deliver Brexit. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 30 May 19 10.58am

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

[Tweet Link]

Smart move by Farage if the Tories don't want to be wiped out at the next GE by his party then they had best deliver Brexit.

One more point

Stirlingsays 30 May 19 12.52pm
Johnson or whichever leaver wins the contest needs to make a deal with Farage and probably Ukip. Whoever wins the leadership can't push any form of Brexit through without another set of MPs general election. So maybe Johnson should surf that honeymoon period, crack a few jokes, make a deal with Farage and Ukip not to stand in the GE and then call another election. I don't know if there is enough time however to get everything done and dusted before the October deadline. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 May 19 12.52pm

Johnson or whichever leaver wins the contest needs to make a deal with Farage and probably Ukip.

Whoever wins the leadership can't push any form of Brexit through without another set of MPs general election.

So maybe Johnson should surf that honeymoon period, crack a few jokes, make a deal with Farage and Ukip not to stand in the GE and then call another election.

I don't know if there is enough time however to get everything done and dusted before the October deadline.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 30 May 19 1.54pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It isn't. I live in the south west and some of my friends are farmers. Two I have spoken to in recent days were originally strong leavers, mainly because of a dislike of all the bureaucracy and paperwork and the idea they would be to trade freely. Now they understand that the paperwork will get even more complicated and confusing and have no idea what will be needed so cannot plan effectively. Reality has dawned in the south west at least in some minds. Whether in "droves" I cannot tell. You have no actual proof of course that this would be the case? You are kinda having a punt here. Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 30 May 19 1.54pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It isn't.

I live in the south west and some of my friends are farmers.

Two I have spoken to in recent days were originally strong leavers, mainly because of a dislike of all the bureaucracy and paperwork and the idea they would be to trade freely. Now they understand that the paperwork will get even more complicated and confusing and have no idea what will be needed so cannot plan effectively. Reality has dawned in the south west at least in some minds. Whether in "droves" I cannot tell.

You have no actual proof of course that this would be the case? You are kinda having a punt here.

Pro USA & Israel

Maine Eagle USA 30 May 19 2.41pm
Originally posted by Jimenez You have no actual proof of course that this would be the case? You are kinda having a punt here. I spoke to my wife earlier. I have actual proof of it! I remember it like it was yesterday. Go grab a cheap processed hot dog on a moist stale bun, Jimenez! Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle

USA 30 May 19 2.41pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

You have no actual proof of course that this would be the case? You are kinda having a punt here.

I spoke to my wife earlier.

I have actual proof of it!

I remember it like it was yesterday.

Go grab a cheap processed hot dog on a moist stale bun, Jimenez!

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle USA 30 May 19 2.44pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Do we give money to the EU . YES Could it go to the NHS instead. YES. Lol. The wrong amount was put on the bus, that’s called lying. The whole amount of this fake amount cannot go to the NHS, funding public services is a bit more complicated than that. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle

USA 30 May 19 2.44pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Do we give money to the EU . YES
Could it go to the NHS instead. YES.

Lol.

The wrong amount was put on the bus, that’s called lying.

The whole amount of this fake amount cannot go to the NHS, funding public services is a bit more complicated than that.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle USA 30 May 19 2.46pm
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan You haven't answered my question. 1. The figure - erm yeah it's out a bit but I've already explained this, it's somewhat a half truth. Ill give you this one. 2. The NHS piece We send the EU £350m a week Let's fund our NHS instead vote leave It doesn't say give all 350m a week to the NHS although it's sensible to think that should we save x amount by leaving some of it can fund the NHS. Its accurate enough. 3. Dumbing down the topic Britain pays in more than it gets out, it's the side of a bus, what on earth do you expect to be printed on the side of a bus? Perhaps it should be covered in small print, would that make it more palatable? Again nothing to see here. The legal action is a grotesque waste of time & money, its been funded by hard Remainers who see anyone who doesn't conform to their npc hive mind as literal reincarnations of Hitler, ie. They should never be taken seriously. Fbpe = farage beating practically everyone Edited by Ouzo Dan (30 May 2019 7.26am) To answer your question yes I think dumbed down false and misleading things written on buses did affect the election. Half truth? Hmmm. With stats you either put the correct number in or you inflate it and lie about it. Reminds me of something Michael Cohen said. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle

USA 30 May 19 2.46pm

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

You haven't answered my question.

1. The figure - erm yeah it's out a bit but I've already explained this, it's somewhat a half truth.
Ill give you this one.

Fbpe = farage beating practically everyone

Edited by Ouzo Dan (30 May 2019 7.26am)

To answer your question yes I think dumbed down false and misleading things written on buses did affect the election.

Half truth? Hmmm. With stats you either put the correct number in or you inflate it and lie about it. Reminds me of something Michael Cohen said.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Spiderman Horsham 30 May 19 3.58pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Not true. Know how I know? Cos a mate of a mate in old Devonshire is a farmers son, bay. And he does say, bay, that his old gaffer done regrets it, bay. So that’s one. Also the head of the national farmers union is fairly clear on this issue. Ah! the old mate of a mate scenario

Spiderman

Horsham 30 May 19 3.58pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Not true.

Know how I know?

Cos a mate of a mate in old Devonshire is a farmers son, bay.

And he does say, bay, that his old gaffer done regrets it, bay.

So that’s one.

Also the head of the national farmers union is fairly clear on this issue.

Ah! the old mate of a mate scenario

Maine Eagle USA 30 May 19 4.57pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Ah! the old mate of a mate scenario Correct. Don’t have any friends who have friends, spidey? How about Lex Luther? Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle

USA 30 May 19 4.57pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Ah! the old mate of a mate scenario

Correct.

Don’t have any friends who have friends, spidey?

How about Lex Luther?

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Stirlingsays 30 May 19 5.29pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Correct. Don’t have any friends who have friends, spidey? How about Lex Luther? That's Rees Mogg's code name. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 May 19 5.29pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Correct.

Don’t have any friends who have friends, spidey?

How about Lex Luther?

That's Rees Mogg's code name.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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