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chris123 hove actually 13 Dec 19 9.43am
Originally posted by Badger11 Lots of the political pundits saying tonight that if Johnson gets his win the new Tory northern MPs will push him back to the centre. The next GE will not be about Brexit so they must come up with policies to keep those northern Tories onside. That is what one nation Tory is supposed to be about in't it?

chris123

hove actually 13 Dec 19 9.43am

Originally posted by Badger11

Lots of the political pundits saying tonight that if Johnson gets his win the new Tory northern MPs will push him back to the centre. The next GE will not be about Brexit so they must come up with policies to keep those northern Tories onside.

That is what one nation Tory is supposed to be about in't it?

chris123 hove actually 13 Dec 19 9.45am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Because they’d have to join Change or Lib Dem or whoever. Or follow poor Chuka to wherever he turns up next!!

chris123

hove actually 13 Dec 19 9.45am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Because they’d have to join Change or Lib Dem or whoever.

Or follow poor Chuka to wherever he turns up next!!

chris123 hove actually 13 Dec 19 9.50am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman You said yourself that the referendum went deeper than finances, political vIews, allegiance and loyalty. It meant so much more and people weren’t going to give in, hence the Ref 2 brigade and this. So the ref 2 brigade didn’t back down and the leavers today didn’t back down, and won it again, with a lot of ‘come on and get it moving because we’re bored or want other stuff sorted.’ I do also think there was a fair bit of an opposition to socialism, or a drive to bankruptcy or rising interest rates, although many wouldn’t know how it would hit, just imagining that it would, badly, and probably quickly. The last parliament was rotten - full of mp's who did not follow the mandate.

chris123

hove actually 13 Dec 19 9.50am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You said yourself that the referendum went deeper than finances, political vIews, allegiance and loyalty. It meant so much more and people weren’t going to give in, hence the Ref 2 brigade and this. So the ref 2 brigade didn’t back down and the leavers today didn’t back down, and won it again, with a lot of ‘come on and get it moving because we’re bored or want other stuff sorted.’

I do also think there was a fair bit of an opposition to socialism, or a drive to bankruptcy or rising interest rates, although many wouldn’t know how it would hit, just imagining that it would, badly, and probably quickly.

The last parliament was rotten - full of mp's who did not follow the mandate.

Spiderman Horsham 13 Dec 19 10.01am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I might have found it. [Link] Look at that slimy git's face.....Never liked Osborne but I admit you gonna laugh. Spicy from Johnson. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2019 1.29am) Have you ever seen Osborne and Mr Bean in the same room together?

Spiderman

Horsham 13 Dec 19 10.01am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I might have found it.

[Link]

Look at that slimy git's face.....Never liked Osborne but I admit you gonna laugh.

Spicy from Johnson.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2019 1.29am)

Have you ever seen Osborne and Mr Bean in the same room together?

chris123 hove actually 13 Dec 19 10.04am
Originally posted by Spiderman Or something Democrats??

chris123

hove actually 13 Dec 19 10.04am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Or something

Democrats??

Matov 13 Dec 19 10.06am
Was surprisingly downbeat about the result. I have no real faith in Boris Johnson and only wanted him to win so that we left the EU but would have settled for a smaller majority for him. And was not cheering the result on at all. Until this morning. When I heard Gina Miller being interviewed. And nearly crashed the car as I started laughing and cheering and whooping. f*ing brilliant. The moment from this election that will top all the others. LOL. Over and over again. f* you Miller. And every other w***er who wanted to bin my vote from June 2016. Will stroll around now for the rest of the day with a grin that would put a Chesire Cat to shame. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

13 Dec 19 10.06am

Was surprisingly downbeat about the result. I have no real faith in Boris Johnson and only wanted him to win so that we left the EU but would have settled for a smaller majority for him. And was not cheering the result on at all.

Until this morning.

When I heard Gina Miller being interviewed. And nearly crashed the car as I started laughing and cheering and whooping. f***ing brilliant. The moment from this election that will top all the others. LOL. Over and over again.

f*** you Miller. And every other w***er who wanted to bin my vote from June 2016. Will stroll around now for the rest of the day with a grin that would put a Chesire Cat to shame.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Dec 19 10.13am
Originally posted by chris123 The last parliament was rotten - full of mp's who did not follow the mandate. Yes that as well, plus Lib Dem didn’t grow because it could’ve meant a Corbyn as PM, although as has been mentioned before, remove Brexit or Corbyn’s 2nd referendum pledge and might have won. Boris, Cummings, the party leaders and cabinet would’ve discussed all factors, oh and including the Boris factor, and thought they stood a great chance. It was won before it started really. I’m just surprised the Workington Man profile leak worked. Perhaps they just probably agreed on it for one election they needed Brexit started and Corbyn and Islington politics out. Edited by Rudi Hedman (13 Dec 2019 10.14am) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 13 Dec 19 10.13am

Originally posted by chris123

The last parliament was rotten - full of mp's who did not follow the mandate.

Yes that as well, plus Lib Dem didn’t grow because it could’ve meant a Corbyn as PM, although as has been mentioned before, remove Brexit or Corbyn’s 2nd referendum pledge and might have won.

Boris, Cummings, the party leaders and cabinet would’ve discussed all factors, oh and including the Boris factor, and thought they stood a great chance. It was won before it started really. I’m just surprised the Workington Man profile leak worked. Perhaps they just probably agreed on it for one election they needed Brexit started and Corbyn and Islington politics out.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (13 Dec 2019 10.14am)

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Dec 19 10.16am
Originally posted by Matov Was surprisingly downbeat about the result. I have no real faith in Boris Johnson and only wanted him to win so that we left the EU but would have settled for a smaller majority for him. And was not cheering the result on at all. Until this morning. When I heard Gina Miller being interviewed. And nearly crashed the car as I started laughing and cheering and whooping. f*ing brilliant. The moment from this election that will top all the others. LOL. Over and over again. f* you Miller. And every other w*er who wanted to bin my vote from June 2016. Will stroll around now for the rest of the day with a grin that would put a Chesire Cat to shame. She was on tv last night still talking about legal issues ahead so we might not have seen or heard the last of her. Her initial care for process, which was actually to just remain. COYP**

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 13 Dec 19 10.16am

Originally posted by Matov

Until this morning.

f*** you Miller. And every other w***er who wanted to bin my vote from June 2016. Will stroll around now for the rest of the day with a grin that would put a Chesire Cat to shame.

She was on tv last night still talking about legal issues ahead so we might not have seen or heard the last of her. Her initial care for process, which was actually to just remain.

COYP

Midlands Eagle 13 Dec 19 10.17am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Surprised it worked tbh but this and the referendum has told politicians not to ignore them or take them for granted, twice. Whether it’s heeded or not is anyone’s guess. In his speech this morning Boris pointed out that certain parliamentarians had paid the price for not heeding the wishes of the electorate. Good riddance to Grieve, Gauke, Soubrey and all the other defectors

Midlands Eagle

13 Dec 19 10.17am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Surprised it worked tbh but this and the referendum has told politicians not to ignore them or take them for granted, twice. Whether it’s heeded or not is anyone’s guess.

In his speech this morning Boris pointed out that certain parliamentarians had paid the price for not heeding the wishes of the electorate.

Good riddance to Grieve, Gauke, Soubrey and all the other defectors

Bexley Eagle Bexley Kent 13 Dec 19 10.21am
As a side note I would just like to add that Nicola Sturgeon is an odious human being.

Bexley Eagle

Bexley Kent 13 Dec 19 10.21am

As a side note I would just like to add that Nicola Sturgeon is an odious human being.

Mapletree Croydon 13 Dec 19 10.24am
Originally posted by buzby1 As a lifelong Labour supporter I'm very happy with this election result. Labour needed to be crushed. Corbyn and his Momentum chums have been shown to be unelectable, irresponsible and racist. The sooner the lot of them stop whinging, stop making ridiculous excuses for their defeat and disappear the better. Labour needs to completely rebuild as a creditable party without Corbyn and the rest of the Crazy Gang. Loved Alan Johnson laying into that fraud John Landsman last night on ITV. I was hoping he was going to punch him. Not sure about racist. If you criticise Israel you tend to get hit by everything the Jewish lobby can throw at you, whether or not it's justified Apart from that I am with you. Corbyn unelectable and Brexit not dealt with. Maybe if Labour had emasculated the Lib Dems by being a clearly Remain party it would have fared better. I suspect though the balance continues to be slightly in favour of Brexit across the country as a whole. So now the metropolitans and the Scots feel disenfranchised. There is a long way to come back to get any feeling of a unitary culture, something which so many people on this site seems to think important. I wonder if Cummings can also succeed there, using his puppets. At least the ERG has almost no power left now.

Mapletree

Croydon 13 Dec 19 10.24am

Originally posted by buzby1

As a lifelong Labour supporter I'm very happy with this election result. Labour needed to be crushed. Corbyn and his Momentum chums have been shown to be unelectable, irresponsible and racist. The sooner the lot of them stop whinging, stop making ridiculous excuses for their defeat and disappear the better. Labour needs to completely rebuild as a creditable party without Corbyn and the rest of the Crazy Gang.

Loved Alan Johnson laying into that fraud John Landsman last night on ITV. I was hoping he was going to punch him.

Not sure about racist. If you criticise Israel you tend to get hit by everything the Jewish lobby can throw at you, whether or not it's justified

Apart from that I am with you.

Corbyn unelectable and Brexit not dealt with.

Maybe if Labour had emasculated the Lib Dems by being a clearly Remain party it would have fared better. I suspect though the balance continues to be slightly in favour of Brexit across the country as a whole.

So now the metropolitans and the Scots feel disenfranchised. There is a long way to come back to get any feeling of a unitary culture, something which so many people on this site seems to think important. I wonder if Cummings can also succeed there, using his puppets.

At least the ERG has almost no power left now.

Matov 13 Dec 19 10.25am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman She was on tv last night still talking about legal issues ahead so we might not have seen or heard the last of her. Her initial care for process, which was actually to just remain. Nah. She is a busted flush. And I suspect that a lot of our finest legal brains will all of a sudden go very quiet about Brexit. Lot of people seeing their gravy trains suddenly threatened by the size of Johnson's majority. Did not see her last night but this morning she sounded very flat. She knows. Absolutely nothing anymore to be gained with the irony being that thanks to her interference Johnson can now pass what he wants. And I finally understand what it means to experience a cathartic moment. It was as though years of frustration and rage just dissipated over the space of 20 or so seconds. For that, Ms Miller will always have a special place in my heart. Currently having to listen to Remain Retard after Remain Retard doing any and everything other than putting their hands up and admit they f***ed up. They actually make me feel a degree of sympathy for Corbyn who is clearly now their whipping boy. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

13 Dec 19 10.25am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

She was on tv last night still talking about legal issues ahead so we might not have seen or heard the last of her. Her initial care for process, which was actually to just remain.

Nah. She is a busted flush. And I suspect that a lot of our finest legal brains will all of a sudden go very quiet about Brexit. Lot of people seeing their gravy trains suddenly threatened by the size of Johnson's majority.

Did not see her last night but this morning she sounded very flat. She knows. Absolutely nothing anymore to be gained with the irony being that thanks to her interference Johnson can now pass what he wants.

And I finally understand what it means to experience a cathartic moment. It was as though years of frustration and rage just dissipated over the space of 20 or so seconds. For that, Ms Miller will always have a special place in my heart.

Currently having to listen to Remain Retard after Remain Retard doing any and everything other than putting their hands up and admit they f***ed up. They actually make me feel a degree of sympathy for Corbyn who is clearly now their whipping boy.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Badger11 Beckenham 13 Dec 19 10.26am
Good morning some random thoughts I'm still tired from watching last night after promising I wouldn't. I won't gloat I don't think that's British my side won in a fair campaign fought by all. I suspect that many Remain voters stayed at home partly because they couldn't vote for Labour's odd Brexit policy which was neither fish nor fowl. The failure of Parliament to deliver on the referendum was a factor. I firmly believe in this country that when all the noisy shouting and marching is done the silent majority thought it unfair to ignore the 2016 result even if they disagreed with it. Corbyn and his policies were a factor on the doorstep although his supporters will deny this because they want a younger version to replace him. Taking each policy individually you can make an argument for each one putting them together and promising to nationalise 10% of the economy in the first 100 days was downright scary. Too much too soon the public aren't stupid they didn't believe only the super rich would be taxed. The Labour party or should we re-brand it the London Party now has a fight for its heart and soul I hope that more moderate voices are heard but who knows. Boris now has his majority so no excuses get Brexit done and start governing for all of the country. The Tories broke the red wall oop north but failed badly in London nothing seems to stop the red wall here. No doubt that idiot Khan will get back in next year. I see all of the defectors were rightly wiped out they either jumped by not standing or got pushed by the electorate. I hope this is a lesson to MPs you defy your voters at your own risk. It was a bad night for the Lib Dems they increased their share of the vote slightly but apart from the odd result failed to even match the number of MPs from 2017. Oh and so much for our Lib Dem Prime Minister, try winning your own seat first darling. Great night for the SNP and it creates a problem for Boris as they will demand an Indyref2. Personally I think they should be allowed one 5 years after we have really left the EU. What happened to the Green Party so much for the environment being a key factor in this election. I expect the great unwashed to go back to gluing themselves to things because they can't get their way at the ballot box. The Brexit part did make an impact in certain areas depriving Labour of key votes. Nigel will not shut up and go away so Boris has to ensure a good Brexit whatever that means. No doubt they'll be calls for PR as it's not fair well one thing that is not fair is voting for a party that then abounds its key principles in a grubby little deal just to get some power. So that's a no for me. Finally for those upset that their side lost take some comfort if your cause is just your party will be back. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 13 Dec 19 10.26am

Good morning some random thoughts I'm still tired from watching last night after promising I wouldn't.

I won't gloat I don't think that's British my side won in a fair campaign fought by all.

I suspect that many Remain voters stayed at home partly because they couldn't vote for Labour's odd Brexit policy which was neither fish nor fowl.

The failure of Parliament to deliver on the referendum was a factor. I firmly believe in this country that when all the noisy shouting and marching is done the silent majority thought it unfair to ignore the 2016 result even if they disagreed with it.

Corbyn and his policies were a factor on the doorstep although his supporters will deny this because they want a younger version to replace him. Taking each policy individually you can make an argument for each one putting them together and promising to nationalise 10% of the economy in the first 100 days was downright scary. Too much too soon the public aren't stupid they didn't believe only the super rich would be taxed.

The Labour party or should we re-brand it the London Party now has a fight for its heart and soul I hope that more moderate voices are heard but who knows.

Boris now has his majority so no excuses get Brexit done and start governing for all of the country.

The Tories broke the red wall oop north but failed badly in London nothing seems to stop the red wall here. No doubt that idiot Khan will get back in next year.

I see all of the defectors were rightly wiped out they either jumped by not standing or got pushed by the electorate. I hope this is a lesson to MPs you defy your voters at your own risk.

It was a bad night for the Lib Dems they increased their share of the vote slightly but apart from the odd result failed to even match the number of MPs from 2017. Oh and so much for our Lib Dem Prime Minister, try winning your own seat first darling.

Great night for the SNP and it creates a problem for Boris as they will demand an Indyref2. Personally I think they should be allowed one 5 years after we have really left the EU.

What happened to the Green Party so much for the environment being a key factor in this election. I expect the great unwashed to go back to gluing themselves to things because they can't get their way at the ballot box.

The Brexit part did make an impact in certain areas depriving Labour of key votes. Nigel will not shut up and go away so Boris has to ensure a good Brexit whatever that means.

No doubt they'll be calls for PR as it's not fair well one thing that is not fair is voting for a party that then abounds its key principles in a grubby little deal just to get some power. So that's a no for me.

Finally for those upset that their side lost take some comfort if your cause is just your party will be back.

One more point

Mapletree Croydon 13 Dec 19 10.26am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Yes that as well, plus Lib Dem didn’t grow because it could’ve meant a Corbyn as PM, although as has been mentioned before, remove Brexit or Corbyn’s 2nd referendum pledge and might have won. Boris, Cummings, the party leaders and cabinet would’ve discussed all factors, oh and including the Boris factor, and thought they stood a great chance. It was won before it started really. I’m just surprised the Workington Man profile leak worked. Perhaps they just probably agreed on it for one election they needed Brexit started and Corbyn and Islington politics out. Edited by Rudi Hedman (13 Dec 2019 10.14am) I still can't understand why the Labour party allowed itself to be manipulated into agreeing to an election. The die was cast as soon as that happened

Mapletree

Croydon 13 Dec 19 10.26am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes that as well, plus Lib Dem didn’t grow because it could’ve meant a Corbyn as PM, although as has been mentioned before, remove Brexit or Corbyn’s 2nd referendum pledge and might have won.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (13 Dec 2019 10.14am)

I still can't understand why the Labour party allowed itself to be manipulated into agreeing to an election. The die was cast as soon as that happened

Mapletree Croydon 13 Dec 19 10.28am
Originally posted by Badger11 Good morning some random thoughts I'm still tired from watching last night after promising I wouldn't. I won't gloat I don't think that's British my side won in a fair campaign fought by all. I suspect that many Remain voters stayed at home partly because they couldn't vote for Labour's odd Brexit policy which was neither fish nor fowl. The failure of Parliament to deliver on the referendum was a factor. I firmly believe in this country that when all the noisy shouting and marching is done the silent majority thought it unfair to ignore the 2016 result even if they disagreed with it. Corbyn and his policies were a factor on the doorstep although his supporters will deny this because they want a younger version to replace him. Taking each policy individually you can make an argument for each one putting them together and promising to nationalise 10% of the economy in the first 100 days was downright scary. Too much too soon the public aren't stupid they didn't believe only the super rich would be taxed. The Labour party or should we re-brand it the London Party now has a fight for its heart and soul I hope that more moderate voices are heard but who knows. Boris now has his majority so no excuses get Brexit done and start governing for all of the country. The Tories broke the red wall oop north but failed badly in London nothing seems to stop the red wall here. No doubt that idiot Khan will get back in next year. I see all of the defectors were rightly wiped out they either jumped by not standing or got pushed by the electorate. I hope this is a lesson to MPs you defy your voters at your own risk. It was a bad night for the Lib Dems they increased their share of the vote slightly but apart from the odd result failed to even match the number of MPs from 2017. Oh and so much for our Lib Dem Prime Minister, try winning your own seat first darling. Great night for the SNP and it creates a problem for Boris as they will demand an Indyref2. Personally I think they should be allowed one 5 years after we have really left the EU. What happened to the Green Party so much for the environment being a key factor in this election. I expect the great unwashed to go back to gluing themselves to things because they can't get their way at the ballot box. The Brexit part did make an impact in certain areas depriving Labour of key votes. Nigel will not shut up and go away so Boris has to ensure a good Brexit whatever that means. No doubt they'll be calls for PR as it's not fair well one thing that is not fair is voting for a party that then abounds its key principles in a grubby little deal just to get some power. So that's a no for me. Finally for those upset that their side lost take some comfort if your cause is just your party will be back. Why will Farage have any power at all? Surely Boris can do what the hell he feels like in terms of the nature of the Brexit deal.

Mapletree

Croydon 13 Dec 19 10.28am