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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
And you sir, are too thick to understand the following: Parliament will not sanction a no deal exit on their own Therefore there is only one way out of this, another vote. If you really want to crash out of the EU overnight, it would have to be voted on because parliament are not going to do that. Well said! Far too many here, and among the hard Brexiteers generally, don't seem to acknowledge that who-ever becomes PM will face the same Parliament and the same problem. This Parliament will not permit a no deal Brexit. Whether they are "too thick" or just unwilling to acknowledge a truth they don't like is an open question. I think myself that there is another possible scenario in which the government loses a vote of no confidence and during the period when another is attempted to be formed that Parliament votes to repeal Article 50. After 14 days, and no new government, a GE must be called. Then things would get really interesting, with a new vote, with a variety of options on the ballot paper, being in the manifestos of enough parties to bring a coalition together. Farage would split the Tories and Labour might dump Corbyn if he goes on being reluctant. Too far ahead though for too much speculation really.
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE
[Tweet Link]When you only ever post twitter stories which are utterly partisan and one sided, they lose all meaning. Kind of like Adam Schiff.
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
ho hum, another day goes by, another day closer to the revocation of article 50. Here is the idiot's guide, step by step. Revocation for dummies one might say. 1 - Bercow will not allow a new PM to unilaterally trigger a no deal exit. There will be uproar if Bercow tries to act as if he was the leader of the Government and at the very least he will risk remaining Mr Bercow for the rest of his life rather than the expected Lord Bercow
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Go on the piers
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
ho hum, another day goes by, another day closer to the revocation of article 50. Here is the idiot's guide, step by step. Revocation for dummies one might say. 1 - Bercow will not allow a new PM to unilaterally trigger a no deal exit. 3 - The EU will not fancy yet another extension, and neither will the new PM. 4 - With about 1 month to go, the new PM will realize they cannot force through no deal. 5 - The new PM will call for the only option left, a new vote. 7 - The electoral college will insist on a remain option, if no deal goes on there. 9 - Brexit will get cancelled.
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Once we leave we have a lovely trade deal coming from the Yanks! Yay. This web page is from the US Govt Office of the US Trade Representative includes a public hearing on the objectives Link to panel discussion: [Link] Page 268 of the PDF of the panel discussion includes the statements copied below from the Brian Toohey, the representative of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturing association of America. He is saying that what the US pharmaceutical industry wants is for full access to US drugs and for the UK Health Service to pay more for them as they are depressing prices through their purchasing power and aren't paying a premium for "innovation" which they should be for a US UK trade agreement. I can hardly wait. "...First, negotiations should build on common ground to ensure transparency and due process for approving, pricing, and reimbursing pharmaceuticals. In the U.K., the government is a primary payer for medicines and, in effect, dictates prices. This dominant position often results in the U.K. failing to appropriately recognize the value of innovation in its pricing reimbursement systems, and, instead, engage in actions that distort markets and artificially depress prices. With these concerns in mind, PhRMA welcomes the administration's continued focus on the problem of advanced economies undervaluing innovative medicines. These provide an important opportunity, consistent with TPA, to ensure government regulatory reimbursement regimes are transparent, non discriminatory, and provide procedural fairness and full market access for U.S. products, which includes the setting of reimbursement amount on competitive market-derived pricing, or an equivalent process, such as one that appropriately recognized the value of an innovative product...."
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Originally posted by Aray
Once we leave we have a lovely trade deal coming from the Yanks! Yay. This web page is from the US Govt Office of the US Trade Representative includes a public hearing on the objectives Link to panel discussion: [Link] Page 268 of the PDF of the panel discussion includes the statements copied below from the Brian Toohey, the representative of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturing association of America. He is saying that what the US pharmaceutical industry wants is for full access to US drugs and for the UK Health Service to pay more for them as they are depressing prices through their purchasing power and aren't paying a premium for "innovation" which they should be for a US UK trade agreement. I can hardly wait. "...First, negotiations should build on common ground to ensure transparency and due process for approving, pricing, and reimbursing pharmaceuticals. In the U.K., the government is a primary payer for medicines and, in effect, dictates prices. This dominant position often results in the U.K. failing to appropriately recognize the value of innovation in its pricing reimbursement systems, and, instead, engage in actions that distort markets and artificially depress prices. With these concerns in mind, PhRMA welcomes the administration's continued focus on the problem of advanced economies undervaluing innovative medicines. These provide an important opportunity, consistent with TPA, to ensure government regulatory reimbursement regimes are transparent, non discriminatory, and provide procedural fairness and full market access for U.S. products, which includes the setting of reimbursement amount on competitive market-derived pricing, or an equivalent process, such as one that appropriately recognized the value of an innovative product...." It's their negotiating position or wish list. We don't have to sign a trade deal if it is bad.
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Originally posted by Aray
Once we leave we have a lovely trade deal coming from the Yanks! Yay. This web page is from the US Govt Office of the US Trade Representative includes a public hearing on the objectives Link to panel discussion: [Link] Page 268 of the PDF of the panel discussion includes the statements copied below from the Brian Toohey, the representative of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturing association of America. He is saying that what the US pharmaceutical industry wants is for full access to US drugs and for the UK Health Service to pay more for them as they are depressing prices through their purchasing power and aren't paying a premium for "innovation" which they should be for a US UK trade agreement. I can hardly wait. "...First, negotiations should build on common ground to ensure transparency and due process for approving, pricing, and reimbursing pharmaceuticals. In the U.K., the government is a primary payer for medicines and, in effect, dictates prices. This dominant position often results in the U.K. failing to appropriately recognize the value of innovation in its pricing reimbursement systems, and, instead, engage in actions that distort markets and artificially depress prices. With these concerns in mind, PhRMA welcomes the administration's continued focus on the problem of advanced economies undervaluing innovative medicines. These provide an important opportunity, consistent with TPA, to ensure government regulatory reimbursement regimes are transparent, non discriminatory, and provide procedural fairness and full market access for U.S. products, which includes the setting of reimbursement amount on competitive market-derived pricing, or an equivalent process, such as one that appropriately recognized the value of an innovative product...." So why arnt the left out protesting now.
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Originally posted by Badger11
It's their negotiating position or wish list. We don't have to sign a trade deal if it is bad. We are being backed into a corner. We will be desperate for markets post Brexit. My old employer very clearly intended and intends to subsume the most lucrative elements of the NHS. In addition there is no doubt we will be forced to accept US meat. A race to the bottom. Americans always believe the American way is best and the sooner we simply accept that and become one of its States the better. Ot maybe four of its States.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Really? But everything was in black and white. Got a link? I provided one originally and the research on the long term declining happiness levels of women is out there. The more feminism and social liberalism has been pushed the less happy the majority of women have become. The real breakthroughs and improvements within society have been technological. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jun 2019 9.40am)
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
It seems that the left only protest when it isn't raining
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Originally posted by Mapletree
There are a number of articles available about American farming methods but they all seem to be written by vested interests so it's difficult to know what's true and what isn't. EU and UK studies quote a high level of bacteria in a significant proportion of American chickens but fail to mention that high levels of bacteria have also been found in British chickens removed from supermarket shelves and tested. In the final analysis if the purchase of American meat forms part of our trade deal the supermarkets and processed food manufacturers don't actually have to buy it and even if they do the consumers can always leave it on the supermarket shelves
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
And you sir, are too thick to understand the following: Parliament will not sanction a no deal exit on their own Therefore there is only one way out of this, another vote. If you really want to crash out of the EU overnight, it would have to be voted on because parliament are not going to do that.
You can have your referendum on how we leave but there can be no remain option.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
There are a number of articles available about American farming methods but they all seem to be written by vested interests so it's difficult to know what's true and what isn't. EU and UK studies quote a high level of bacteria in a significant proportion of American chickens but fail to mention that high levels of bacteria have also been found in British chickens removed from supermarket shelves and tested. In the final analysis if the purchase of American meat forms part of our trade deal the supermarkets and processed food manufacturers don't actually have to buy it and even if they do the consumers can always leave it on the supermarket shelves I have given you the facts on this before Look at the types of bacteria and the numbers of serious infections. This is a black and white issue In addition, farming methods are miles better in the UK and EU than in the US US topsoil degradation is far more advanced than in the UK. Reliability of supply will fast become a problem once we emasculate our indigenous industry. But hey, what do I know?
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Originally posted by Mapletree
We are being backed into a corner. We will be desperate for markets post Brexit. My old employer very clearly intended and intends to subsume the most lucrative elements of the NHS. In addition there is no doubt we will be forced to accept US meat. A race to the bottom. Americans always believe the American way is best and the sooner we simply accept that and become one of its States the better. Ot maybe four of its States. Do you know our drinking water is chlorinated just like our salads. When was the last time the U.S had foot and mouth, MAD cow disease or any other major issues with there meats? However I dare say you'd be able to choose what meat you put in your trolley!
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