For the ballot to have any credibility, Corbyn has to stand.
More importantly, Corbyn should have stood down already because his own party have no faith in him. Let's face it, if winning elections is your business, they are right.

agree completely. We are going through a unique set of circumstances and I don't rule anything out in terms of a realignment, but what is clear is that the Conservatives understand the difference between a party of government and a party of protest.

What is also clear is that the Labour Party belongs to its members, not its MPs (irrespective of how deluded or disingenuous the members may be). So if there is to be a split, the rank and file membership must retain the name and the infrastructure. It is for the PLP to split and set up a new structure.

I was a very early SDP convert after the last Labour schism and genuinely believed it would work - I was wrong them but maybe the situation is different now. What is certain is that none of the main parties (in England) have ever been at such a collectively low ebb and disunited.

If I wanted to take a punt, then Andy Burnham leading a social-democratic alliance in the next election would be my bet. I'm not putting my money where my mouth is though.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

Yet he is the only moderate who hasn't resigned from the shadow front bench.

"If I wanted to take a punt, then Andy Burnham leading a social-democratic alliance in the next election would be my bet. I'm not putting my money where my mouth is though".

I hope you are right for it is desperately needed. The centre represents by far the greatest majority view in our country. Most of us are neither far right, or far left. Labour have just committed suicide. It is now a club run by it's far left membership and not a political party, whose MPs represent their constituents. It has to split, for everyone's benefit. They are now the left wing equivalent of the BNP on the right. Noisy but unelectable.

The Tories are little better. The divisions are there too, although a semblance of unity is being maintained at the moment. That unity will be severely tested in the coming months. I hope their left wing splits away too and a genuine party of the centre emerges.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (12 Jul 2016 10.17pm)

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (12 Jul 2016 10.18pm)

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How many Corbyn fans will pay the £25 on the 18h-19th July to be able to vote for him?

COYP

I have seen jeremy corbyn play a few times. A trick left wing- back who can outmanouevre defences at times. One to watch.

LOL

Left-Footed he can also play at centre-half and is good in the air.His nickname was "Jezza C".

The vote is only open to members who were paid up as of Feb.

Unless you belong to an affiliate union. In which case, you can.

That said, there's talk that only open to pre Feb members as it said different on the Labour website and joinlabour.

Also. The sneaky NEC voted on this motion, even though it wasn't on the agenda, after Corbyn and others had left the meeting.

Don't 15 million people who didn't vote to leave deserve to have a voice?

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)