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Stuk Top half 20 Jun 16 11.54pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 If you think personal experience counts for nothing then fair enough. If you think blaming one immigrant for the EU's foibles is fair enough then you're a fool. It's the system at fault, not the people. Optimistic as ever

Stuk

Top half 20 Jun 16 11.54pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

If you think personal experience counts for nothing then fair enough.

If you think blaming one immigrant for the EU's foibles is fair enough then you're a fool.

It's the system at fault, not the people.

Optimistic as ever

Kermit8 Hevon 21 Jun 16 8.22am
Originally posted by Stuk If you think blaming one immigrant for the EU's foibles is fair enough then you're a fool. It's the system at fault, not the people. Try telling that to Britain First types and the less vocal xenophobes. That'll be their main reason for voting 'out: Johnny Foreigner. And they aren't really trying to hide it to be fair. And yes they are fools and what was Nigel thinking by that poster and sucking up to such people? Still, if they are on the winning team they'll be fools no more. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 21 Jun 16 8.22am

Originally posted by Stuk

If you think blaming one immigrant for the EU's foibles is fair enough then you're a fool.

It's the system at fault, not the people.

Try telling that to Britain First types and the less vocal xenophobes. That'll be their main reason for voting 'out: Johnny Foreigner. And they aren't really trying to hide it to be fair.

And yes they are fools and what was Nigel thinking by that poster and sucking up to such people?

Still, if they are on the winning team they'll be fools no more.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 8.31am
Some food for thought from Paul Mason. hard to disagree with a lot of it. [Link]

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 8.31am

Some food for thought from Paul Mason. hard to disagree with a lot of it.

[Link]

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Jun 16 8.42am
Originally posted by nickgusset Some food for thought from Paul Mason. hard to disagree with a lot of it. [Link] Really ? I have been rolling my eyes and shaking my head. I just had to laugh at the following concerning the Labour front bench: that they will take measures to stop the creation of low-paid jobs that only migrants can do; and they will take the issue of free movement into a big renegotiation with the EU as soon as possible. I'm sure the EU will "Bow" and capitulate to Corbyn and his cronies.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Jun 16 8.42am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Some food for thought from Paul Mason. hard to disagree with a lot of it.

[Link]

Really ?
I have been rolling my eyes and shaking my head.

I just had to laugh at the following concerning the Labour front bench:

that they will take measures to stop the creation of low-paid jobs that only migrants can do; and they will take the issue of free movement into a big renegotiation with the EU as soon as possible.

I'm sure the EU will "Bow" and capitulate to Corbyn and his cronies.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 9.02am
Originally posted by Willo Really ? I have been rolling my eyes and shaking my head. I just had to laugh at the following concerning the Labour front bench: that they will take measures to stop the creation of low-paid jobs that only migrants can do; and they will take the issue of free movement into a big renegotiation with the EU as soon as possible. I'm sure the EU will "Bow" and capitulate to Corbyn and his cronies. In a big, multi-ethnic city, absorbing a lot of migrants is easy. In small towns, where social capital is already meagre, the migrant population can feel unabsorbed. The structure of temporary migration from Europe means many of those who come don’t vote, or don’t have the right to – which feels unsettling if you understand that it is only by voting that the workforce ever achieved progress. It feels as if, through migration, the establishment got to create the kind of working class it always wanted: fragmented, dislocated, politically distant, weak. But a Brexit led by Ukip and the Tory right will not make any of these things better: it will make them worse. Take a look at the people leading the Brexit movement. Nigel Farage, Neil Hamilton, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove. They have fought all their lives for one objective: to give more power to employers and less to workers. Many leading Brexiters are on record as wanting to privatise the NHS. They revelled in the destruction of the working-class communities and cultures capable of staging real revolt. Sir James Dyson moved his factory to Malaysia, so much did he love the British workforce. They talk about defying the “elite”. But they are the elite. Suppose leave wins on Thursday and, within two years, most migration from eastern Europe stops. What is the most likely outcome? For all the rhetoric about “cheap labour”, nobody in the Tory Brexit camp has promised to end it. What they actually promised is to to cut wages and scrap the laws that protect people at work. So even if the migrants stop coming, and maybe a few fruit farms and meat-packing operations in East Anglia shut down, there will still be millions of low-paid jobs on long hours. But guess who will be doing them? Most likely it will be you, the very people flag-waving for the leave camp now: low-skilled people in small towns. And should there be a shortage of unskilled workers, the Brexit camp’s figurehead – Iain Duncan Smith – knows what to do. Before ultimately resigning over benefit cuts, he had made a career out of dragging people out of wheelchairs and off sickbeds and into job assessments designed to cut their benefits.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 9.02am

Originally posted by Willo

Really ?
I have been rolling my eyes and shaking my head.

I just had to laugh at the following concerning the Labour front bench:

I'm sure the EU will "Bow" and capitulate to Corbyn and his cronies.

In a big, multi-ethnic city, absorbing a lot of migrants is easy. In small towns, where social capital is already meagre, the migrant population can feel unabsorbed. The structure of temporary migration from Europe means many of those who come don’t vote, or don’t have the right to – which feels unsettling if you understand that it is only by voting that the workforce ever achieved progress. It feels as if, through migration, the establishment got to create the kind of working class it always wanted: fragmented, dislocated, politically distant, weak.

But a Brexit led by Ukip and the Tory right will not make any of these things better: it will make them worse. Take a look at the people leading the Brexit movement. Nigel Farage, Neil Hamilton, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove. They have fought all their lives for one objective: to give more power to employers and less to workers. Many leading Brexiters are on record as wanting to privatise the NHS. They revelled in the destruction of the working-class communities and cultures capable of staging real revolt. Sir James Dyson moved his factory to Malaysia, so much did he love the British workforce. They talk about defying the “elite”. But they are the elite.

Suppose leave wins on Thursday and, within two years, most migration from eastern Europe stops. What is the most likely outcome? For all the rhetoric about “cheap labour”, nobody in the Tory Brexit camp has promised to end it. What they actually promised is to to cut wages and scrap the laws that protect people at work. So even if the migrants stop coming, and maybe a few fruit farms and meat-packing operations in East Anglia shut down, there will still be millions of low-paid jobs on long hours. But guess who will be doing them? Most likely it will be you, the very people flag-waving for the leave camp now: low-skilled people in small towns. And should there be a shortage of unskilled workers, the Brexit camp’s figurehead – Iain Duncan Smith – knows what to do. Before ultimately resigning over benefit cuts, he had made a career out of dragging people out of wheelchairs and off sickbeds and into job assessments designed to cut their benefits.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 9.07am
More or Less - The Referendum by Numbers, The Cost of EU Membership, Episode 1 - @bbcradio4 [Link] Worth a listen as it is impartial, involves no politicians and looks at the claims made by both sides of the debate.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 9.07am

More or Less - The Referendum by Numbers, The Cost of EU Membership, Episode 1 - @bbcradio4 [Link]

Worth a listen as it is impartial, involves no politicians and looks at the claims made by both sides of the debate.

-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 21 Jun 16 9.09am
Originally posted by nickgusset Some food for thought from Paul Mason. hard to disagree with a lot of it. [Link] As 'Willo' expertly demonstrates, the main thrust of the article regarding ''the elite'' will be completely ignored by many. Whether 'In or Out', nothing will change as this isn't a vote for change. It's a sham. Time to move forward together.

-TUX-

Alphabettispaghetti 21 Jun 16 9.09am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Some food for thought from Paul Mason. hard to disagree with a lot of it.

[Link]

As 'Willo' expertly demonstrates, the main thrust of the article regarding ''the elite'' will be completely ignored by many.
Whether 'In or Out', nothing will change as this isn't a vote for change. It's a sham.

Time to move forward together.

DivingIsNotGood se25 21 Jun 16 10.20am
Originally posted by -TUX- As 'Willo' expertly demonstrates, the main thrust of the article regarding ''the elite'' will be completely ignored by many. Whether 'In or Out', nothing will change as this isn't a vote for change. It's a sham. Not 'by many', but by most. 99% of people are totally clueless about the Rothschilds, Rockafellas and other elites. Most people don't even realise there are 1600 odd shareholders of the Bank of England. Many will disagree and say no no it was nationalised in 1964 but start searching researching, this guy is a bit of a knob but an interesting watch [Link] I'm not suggestion look on YouTube but it's a good starting block. VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 21 Jun 16 10.20am

Originally posted by -TUX-

Not 'by many', but by most. 99% of people are totally clueless about the Rothschilds, Rockafellas and other elites. Most people don't even realise there are 1600 odd shareholders of the Bank of England. Many will disagree and say no no it was nationalised in 1964 but start searching researching, this guy is a bit of a knob but an interesting watch [Link]
I'm not suggestion look on YouTube but it's a good starting block.

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 10.37am
So it turns out most of the many laws imposed are down to customs labelling. The UK are so dictated to that since 1999, we have voted against a massive 55 proposals. We have agreed with and voted for more than 2500. Most of the top 100 regulations we adhere to are actually worldwide regulations. Does this mean we should leave the planet? Most of EU immigration into the UK is short term. Source: 4 episodes of this. More or Less - The Referendum by Numbers, The Cost of EU Membership, Episode 1 - @bbcradio4 [Link]

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 10.37am

So it turns out most of the many laws imposed are down to customs labelling.

The UK are so dictated to that since 1999, we have voted against a massive 55 proposals. We have agreed with and voted for more than 2500.

Most of the top 100 regulations we adhere to are actually worldwide regulations. Does this mean we should leave the planet?

Most of EU immigration into the UK is short term.

Source: 4 episodes of this.
More or Less - The Referendum by Numbers, The Cost of EU Membership, Episode 1 - @bbcradio4 [Link]

DivingIsNotGood se25 21 Jun 16 10.52am
So a British person can stay in any EU country providing they have a valid UK passport, so long as they register first in that host country, have health insurance and enough money to sustain themselves. So how and why, if we are an EU country, do so many immigrants in the UK get social security payments and access to free Healthcare? VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 21 Jun 16 10.52am

So a British person can stay in any EU country providing they have a valid UK passport, so long as they register first in that host country, have health insurance and enough money to sustain themselves.
So how and why, if we are an EU country, do so many immigrants in the UK get social security payments and access to free Healthcare?

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood se25 21 Jun 16 10.59am
Originally posted by nickgusset So it turns out most of the many laws imposed are down to customs labelling. The UK are so dictated to that since 1999, we have voted against a massive 55 proposals. We have agreed with and voted for more than 2500. Most of the top 100 regulations we adhere to are actually worldwide regulations. Does this mean we should leave the planet? Most of EU immigration into the UK is short term. Source: 4 episodes of this. More or Less - The Referendum by Numbers, The Cost of EU Membership, Episode 1 - @bbcradio4 [Link] Do you seriously trust the BBC ? Come on you're a bright guy VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood

se25 21 Jun 16 10.59am

Originally posted by nickgusset

So it turns out most of the many laws imposed are down to customs labelling.

The UK are so dictated to that since 1999, we have voted against a massive 55 proposals. We have agreed with and voted for more than 2500.

Most of the top 100 regulations we adhere to are actually worldwide regulations. Does this mean we should leave the planet?

Most of EU immigration into the UK is short term.

Source: 4 episodes of this.
More or Less - The Referendum by Numbers, The Cost of EU Membership, Episode 1 - @bbcradio4 [Link]

Do you seriously trust the BBC ? Come on you're a bright guy

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 11.04am
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood Do you seriously trust the BBC ? Come on you're a bright guy It's worth listening to. I don't trust their political editor mind.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 11.04am

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

Do you seriously trust the BBC ? Come on you're a bright guy

It's worth listening to.

I don't trust their political editor mind.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 11.06am
Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood So a British person can stay in any EU country providing they have a valid UK passport, so long as they register first in that host country, have health insurance and enough money to sustain themselves. So how and why, if we are an EU country, do so many immigrants in the UK get social security payments and access to free Healthcare? They fit the criteria? Don't forget, Dave got concessions from the EU in this area (despite many people saying he came back with nothing.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 11.06am

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

They fit the criteria? Don't forget, Dave got concessions from the EU in this area (despite many people saying he came back with nothing.

dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 21 Jun 16 11.09am
Watched the telly box the other night programme called British benefits on channel five, anyone see the Romanian punk claiming benefit and then sending it home to build a nice house for himself ? Now I'm no financial whizz, but I'll bet you a months salary, that's not what should be happening. And if we stay this is only going to get worse. [Link] "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

dannyh

wherever I lay my hat....... 21 Jun 16 11.09am

Watched the telly box the other night programme called British benefits on channel five, anyone see the Romanian punk claiming benefit and then sending it home to build a nice house for himself ?

Now I'm no financial whizz, but I'll bet you a months salary, that's not what should be happening.

And if we stay this is only going to get worse.

[Link]

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 11.13am
Originally posted by dannyh Watched the telly box the other night programme called British benefits on channel five, anyone see the Romanian punk claiming benefit and then sending it home to build a nice house for himself ? Now I'm no financial whizz, but I'll bet you a months salary, that's not what should be happening. And if we stay this is only going to get worse. [Link] Think he'll have an interesting time when he goes to sign on next...

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 21 Jun 16 11.13am

Originally posted by dannyh

Watched the telly box the other night programme called British benefits on channel five, anyone see the Romanian punk claiming benefit and then sending it home to build a nice house for himself ?

Now I'm no financial whizz, but I'll bet you a months salary, that's not what should be happening.

And if we stay this is only going to get worse.

[Link]

Think he'll have an interesting time when he goes to sign on next...

Hrolf The Ganger 21 Jun 16 11.36am
I find it frustrating that Farage and Gove are criticised as being xenophobic when all they have proposed is a points system for potential immigrants to weed out the kind of people who wish to come here for a free lunch. What we need in this country is skills that we don't have not scroungers and people who just flood the labour market and suppress wages.

Hrolf The Ganger

21 Jun 16 11.36am

I find it frustrating that Farage and Gove are criticised as being xenophobic when all they have proposed is a points system for potential immigrants to weed out the kind of people who wish to come here for a free lunch.

What we need in this country is skills that we don't have not scroungers and people who just flood the labour market and suppress wages.

Part Time James 21 Jun 16 11.38am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I find it frustrating that Farage and Gove are criticised as being xenophobic when all they have proposed is a points system for potential immigrants to weed out the kind of people who wish to come here for a free lunch. What we need in this country is skills that we don't have not scroungers and people who just flood the labour market and suppress wages. I totally agree by the way. I don't know why it is xenophobic to want similar rules in place for Europeans that we already impose on non-Europeans without anyone complaining about it.

Part Time James

21 Jun 16 11.38am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What we need in this country is skills that we don't have not scroungers and people who just flood the labour market and suppress wages.

I totally agree by the way. I don't know why it is xenophobic to want similar rules in place for Europeans that we already impose on non-Europeans without anyone complaining about it.

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Jun 16 12.01pm
Originally posted by nickgusset They fit the criteria? Don't forget, Dave got concessions from the EU in this area (despite many people saying he came back with nothing. Here is someone who reviles Cameron at every turn & yet believes him on this subject!!! Incredible f*** me you couldn't make this crap up! Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Jun 16 12.01pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

They fit the criteria? Don't forget, Dave got concessions from the EU in this area (despite many people saying he came back with nothing.

Here is someone who reviles Cameron at every turn & yet believes him on this subject!!! Incredible f*** me you couldn't make this crap up!

Pro USA & Israel

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Jun 16 12.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I find it frustrating that Farage and Gove are criticised as being xenophobic when all they have proposed is a points system for potential immigrants to weed out the kind of people who wish to come here for a free lunch. What we need in this country is skills that we don't have not scroungers and people who just flood the labour market and suppress wages. I am in total agreement.

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Jun 16 12.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What we need in this country is skills that we don't have not scroungers and people who just flood the labour market and suppress wages.

I am in total agreement.

johnfirewall 21 Jun 16 12.06pm
Originally posted by Jimenez Here is someone who reviles Cameron at every turn & yet believes him on this subject!!! Incredible f*** me you couldn't make this crap up! Literally just called my Facebook out in this. That list of all the bankers, CEOs and Tories supporting Remain doing the rounds. The left are untouchable in their hypocrisy.

johnfirewall

21 Jun 16 12.06pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Here is someone who reviles Cameron at every turn & yet believes him on this subject!!! Incredible f*** me you couldn't make this crap up!

Literally just called my Facebook out in this.

That list of all the bankers, CEOs and Tories supporting Remain doing the rounds.

The left are untouchable in their hypocrisy.

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