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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 May 17 5.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Wonderful use of jargon but please explain how creating electronic money does not automatically lead to inflation.

He's saying there wouldn't be as much wage rise inflation because there's spare labour to be hired, and hand in hand there's not the cause of wage cost/product cost inflation. Plus their propensity to spend on essentials is high.

If I or the local council hire the out of work gardener instead of the gardener up to his eyeballs in work, it costs me or the local council less and not putting up the cost of coffee or sandwiches in the local park cafe.

QE is going to lead to some inflation, but if the interest rates are low to begin with, it's more manageable. It also obviously decreases the value of currency so is good for exports, bad for imports.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 May 17 5.21pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

He's saying there wouldn't be as much wage rise inflation because there's spare labour to be hired, and hand in hand there's not the cause of wage cost/product cost inflation. Plus their propensity to spend on essentials is high.

If I or the local council hire the out of work gardener instead of the gardener up to his eyeballs in work, it costs me or the local council less and not putting up the cost of coffee or sandwiches in the local park cafe.

QE is going to lead to some inflation, but if the interest rates are low to begin with, it's more manageable. It also obviously decreases the value of currency so is good for exports, bad for imports.

That's It?
The employment rate is as close to full as it ever gets
so there must be some inflation. That in itself will surely lead to a demand for wage increases and or more borrowing.
Wages have been suppressed by a continuous flow of new available labour from abroad but if banks are able and prepared to lend more money, surely that will lead to price rises.
Providers of goods and services now set prices by what people are prepared or able to pay rather than percentage of profit. There must be a knock on.

I'd like someone who claims to 'know' about this stuff to tell me in detail why I'm wrong, ideally without jargon.
I'm off to my gym for an hour so don't expect a quick reply.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 May 17 5.35pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That's It?
The employment rate is as close to full as it ever gets
so there must be some inflation.

I'd like someone who claims to 'know' about this stuff to tell me in detail why I'm wrong, ideally without jargon.
I'm off to my gym for an hour so don't expect a quick reply.

There are lots of people earning n&ff all in employment, zero hours contracts, or next to n&ff all in 'self employment.' By that I mean trying to start a new business that'll ultimately fail, rather than delivery drivers and such like.

You wanted to hear why you're wrong. Cambridge or I haven't said electronic money doesn't create inflation. It's just not as severe and easier to deal with in the market situations and opportunity he has highlighted.

Quick reply? We're not anticipating a quick reply mate.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 May 2017 5.59pm)

Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 May 2017 6.02pm)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 May 17 5.35pm

Only an hour? A bit weak.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 May 17 5.42pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Providers of goods and services now set prices by what people are prepared or able to pay rather than percentage of profit. There must be a knock on.

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What about price competition. A consumer won't be prepared to pay more when he can get the same for less down the road.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 May 17 7.05pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

There are lots of people earning n&ff all in employment, zero hours contracts, or next to n&ff all in 'self employment.' By that I mean trying to start a new business that'll ultimately fail, rather than delivery drivers and such like.

You wanted to hear why you're wrong. Cambridge or I haven't said electronic money doesn't create inflation. It's just not as severe and easier to deal with in the market situations and opportunity he has highlighted.

Quick reply? We're not anticipating a quick reply mate.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 May 2017 5.59pm)

Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 May 2017 6.02pm)

Ha ha.

OK, so your argument is about degree.
It's a bad Idea and not a very bad idea.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 May 17 7.06pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Only an hour? A bit weak.

Quality not quantity.

 

Part Time James Flag 19 May 17 7.07pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

There are lots of people earning n&ff all in employment, zero hours contracts, or next to n&ff all in 'self employment.' By that I mean trying to start a new business that'll ultimately fail, rather than delivery drivers and such like.

You wanted to hear why you're wrong. Cambridge or I haven't said electronic money doesn't create inflation. It's just not as severe and easier to deal with in the market situations and opportunity he has highlighted.

Quick reply? We're not anticipating a quick reply mate.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 May 2017 5.59pm)

Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 May 2017 6.02pm)

I don't wish to join the debate, or in any way upset you, but I have a genuine question. Do we have to censor the word "naff" on here?

 




Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 May 17 7.08pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

What about price competition. A consumer won't be prepared to pay more when he can get the same for less down the road.

There is obviously a limit to undercutting determined by costs.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 May 2017 7.52pm)

 

serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 19 May 17 7.12pm

This election has just got interesting really quickly.

Labour are now polling on the same figures as Blair's majority government. Their manifesto has symbolically crushed the ghosts of Blair while Corbyn himself is whipping up political crowds unheard of in this country's recent history.

Meanwhile, the Tories, while significantly ahead, are falling apart. May can't even confirm who her chancellor will be, yet she's standing on a strong and stable platform! They've alienated huge numbers of journalists, as well as their one main demographic: pensioners. The neoliberal wing of the party are s***ting it about the immigration cap's effect on the economy, the whole manifesto seems totally uncosted, and suddenly life long tory voters are pledging for Labour.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 19 May 17 7.31pm

Shadow Chancellor on means testing the fuel allowance:
[Labour] "won't put older people through the indignity of losing their winter fuel allowance when they are already, too many of them, living in deep poverty and sadly some die of hypothermia."
This when all the Tories are proposing is that the likes of Alan Sugar don't get bunged £200 when the don't need it. Those who do need it will still get it.

Edited by hedgehog50 (19 May 2017 7.31pm)

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 19 May 17 7.35pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Shadow Chancellor on means testing the fuel allowance:
[Labour] "won't put older people through the indignity of losing their winter fuel allowance when they are already, too many of them, living in deep poverty and sadly some die of hypothermia."
This when all the Tories are proposing is that the likes of Alan Sugar don't get bunged £200 when the don't need it. Those who do need it will still get it.

Edited by hedgehog50 (19 May 2017 7.31pm)

It has been said many times (although not lately I admit) so I'll type it in caps so it sinks in.

IT WILL COST MORE TO ADMINISTER THAN IT WILL SAVE.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 19 May 17 7.36pm

Rumbled by a 9 year old.

 

susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 19 May 17 7.39pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Rumbled by a 9 year old.

Looks like by the way he dressed his parents can afford to buy it for him!

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 19 May 17 7.42pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

It has been said many times (although not lately I admit) so I'll type it in caps so it sinks in.

IT WILL COST MORE TO ADMINISTER THAN IT WILL SAVE.

SCRAP IT ALTOGETHER THEN

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 May 17 8.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Ha ha.

OK, so your argument is about degree.
It's a bad Idea and not a very bad idea.

You could have 0.01% inflation vs 1%. The points Cambridge is making I didn't like the idea of in 2008 for a few years but it is more appropriate now because there is consistent growth worldwide, room for expansion here, and monetary policy tools at the chancellor's disposal to counteract the negative effects of government spending/borrowing.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 May 17 8.01pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

I don't wish to join the debate, or in any way upset you, but I have a genuine question. Do we have to censor the word "naff" on here?

Nerk.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 19 May 17 8.04pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

This election has just got interesting really quickly.

Labour are now polling on the same figures as Blair's majority government. Their manifesto has symbolically crushed the ghosts of Blair while Corbyn himself is whipping up political crowds unheard of in this country's recent history.

Meanwhile, the Tories, while significantly ahead, are falling apart. May can't even confirm who her chancellor will be, yet she's standing on a strong and stable platform! They've alienated huge numbers of journalists, as well as their one main demographic: pensioners. The neoliberal wing of the party are s***ting it about the immigration cap's effect on the economy, the whole manifesto seems totally uncosted, and suddenly life long tory voters are pledging for Labour.

So Labour are going to win are they? Do you want a bet on it?

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 May 17 8.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There is obviously a limit to undercutting determined by costs.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 May 2017 7.52pm)

But that is not businesses charging what they want/what they think customers will pay (what you said). That is determining price by profit margin, which is what you said they don't do these days.

No they don't. Businesses generally try to squeeze the competition by price.

 


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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 19 May 17 8.08pm

Originally posted by serial thriller

This election has just got interesting really quickly.

Labour are now polling on the same figures as Blair's majority government. Their manifesto has symbolically crushed the ghosts of Blair while Corbyn himself is whipping up political crowds unheard of in this country's recent history.

Meanwhile, the Tories, while significantly ahead, are falling apart. May can't even confirm who her chancellor will be, yet she's standing on a strong and stable platform! They've alienated huge numbers of journalists, as well as their one main demographic: pensioners. The neoliberal wing of the party are s***ting it about the immigration cap's effect on the economy, the whole manifesto seems totally uncosted, and suddenly life long tory voters are pledging for Labour.


NOT all of us my friend.

 


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