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.TUX. Flag 05 Jul 19 8.48pm

Originally posted by dollardays

I often wonder how much gold that's in 'storage' actually even exists.

Tons of the stuff.
It's 'real' money (deflationary), has been for 5,000yrs, hence Central Banks and Govts around the world hoarding it/not releasing it to those who own it.
Why? Because they can.

 


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Invalid user 2019 Flag 05 Jul 19 8.52pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

not releasing it to those who own it.
Why? Because they can.

I certainly agree that it's best to physically own than assume that it's with a bank or government for 'safe keeping'.

Edited by dollardays (05 Jul 2019 8.52pm)

 

.TUX. Flag 05 Jul 19 10.05pm

Originally posted by dollardays

I certainly agree that it's best to physically own than assume that it's with a bank or government for 'safe keeping'.

Edited by dollardays (05 Jul 2019 8.52pm)

Their ''keeping'' never means ''safe'' for you, no matter how many choose to believe in this myth.

 


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Invalid user 2019 Flag 05 Jul 19 10.16pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Very true and correct BUT
They surely still have to buy into OUR way of life.
To a degree.
I'm not saying they have to believe in the same God or even believe in our western expectations.
Look at mayor khant and his attitude to bra adverts upsetting the Muslim population.
Where is his view on the high majority of protesters about the LGBTQ lessons.
This is an example of double standards for a minority.
This isnt a total pop as I dont give a s*** about skin colour.
What I give a s*** about is assimilation with the indigenous population.

It's best not to stand from a point of them vs based on skin colour I think, so it all comes down to 'taking as you find'. It's neither a plus nor a minus. As for your point about religion, I agree to an extent. If someone values their religion above the law of the land, it could be argued that they aren't demonstrating a particularly meaningful allegiance to the country.

 

Invalid user 2019 Flag 05 Jul 19 10.21pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

Their ''keeping'' never means ''safe'' for you, no matter how many choose to believe in this myth.

True. As a rule of thumb I think it's a mistake to rely on the government for anything. Their main interest is self interest and keeping their paymasters happy. If you've got millions or billions to hand I'm sure you have their ear. If not, the vast majority do not give a single sh!t and those that do have their hands tied by the system.

 

Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 06 Jul 19 1.25am

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Glorious, glorious stuff. Andrew Neil absolutely destroying this remainer journalist & I mean destroy. Bravo Sir!!

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Jul 19 6.17am

Originally posted by dollardays

True. As a rule of thumb I think it's a mistake to rely on the government for anything. Their main interest is self interest and keeping their paymasters happy. If you've got millions or billions to hand I'm sure you have their ear. If not, the vast majority do not give a single sh!t and those that do have their hands tied by the system.

But that's life in general dd
The more you bring to the table, the better your existence.
Thats in any part of lifes spectrum.
Be it work,home life or friends.
Think about everyone you know.
The ones who bring a social personality will get the invites.
In work if you can deliver physically you get the gig.
And the beat goes on...
Admittedly not fair most times so dont think I'm advocating it, its just how it is.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 06 Jul 19 6.48am

Originally posted by Jimenez

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Glorious, glorious stuff. Andrew Neil absolutely destroying this remainer journalist & I mean destroy. Bravo Sir!!

Totally agree. These appointments sum up the undemocratic EU. Apparently the Eastern States are not happy, perhaps they should walk out in protest

 

Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jul 19 8.39am

Originally posted by dollardays

Meaning non white I assume?

If someone is born here and has an allegiance to this country, they are not some kind of second tier scrag end. I do think it's important to reiterate that. They in fact belong here as much as you do and are equally deserving of playing a part in all aspects of the political process from voting to government if they so wish.

It's perfectly reasonable to both believe this and that immigration going forward should be limited.

Edited by dollardays (05 Jul 2019 8.20pm)

If.

The problem here is that you are essentially stating the same policies that have placed us into our current situation. Especially since there will be no significant changes to immigration policies.

Ethnicity isn't just about genetics but genetics matter all the same. Who brings you up matters massively. The location of your birth matters but, in reality it's secondary.....Our current ideas need to shift to reflect this.

Rudyard Kipling was born in India.....So is anyone seriously suggesting Kipling was an Indian?

David Gower was born in India......So is anyone seriously suggesting Gower is an Indian?

Keanu Reeves was born in Beirut....So Reeves could be Lebanese then?

To completely ignore genetics is to ignore reality.

I accept that a person born in and having a genuine allegiance to a country is its national regardless of genetics. That's because ethnicity is more than just genetics.

However, there needs to be a common sense acceptance at what has happened. We were told immigrants from very different cultures would integrate, but only a minority did and it's been decades now....The reality is that very few non whites call themselves English.

To state it doesn't matter is to say England remaining English doesn't matter.

I can't imagine that any immigration policy you would promote would in effect keep England English long term.....that might not matter to you, but it does to me.

Like Japan and Israel, China and in fact most countries outside Europe understand, this matters. The numbers matter....who owns what matters.

Hell even the Dalai Lama says and recognises that numbers matter. He says Europe is for Europeans....He specifically said, Germany is for Germans and hence England is for the English....the clue is in the name.

The UK is a northern European country and its policies should reflect and protect that. If some want to call that racist, then that's a burden the rest of us will have to carry.....I don't see the Japanese weeping about what others think.

This is a numbers game and what you don't protect you lose......and the English are losing....a minority in their own capital and soon to be a minority in Birmingham.


Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2019 12.37pm)

 


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dannyboy1978 Flag 06 Jul 19 9.43am

Originally posted by Jimenez

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Glorious, glorious stuff. Andrew Neil absolutely destroying this remainer journalist & I mean destroy. Bravo Sir!!

Comedy gold, pass me my laughing emoji

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 06 Jul 19 9.49am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Totally agree. These appointments sum up the undemocratic EU. Apparently the Eastern States are not happy, perhaps they should walk out in protest

The EU is more democratic than the UK could ever be.

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Jul 19 11.00am

Originally posted by steeleye20

The EU is more democratic than the UK could ever be.

You don't even know who the EU commission are, you didn't choose them, only a handful did. Yet they hold executive power over all of the EU states. That's about as democratic as ruling by decree. Even the Tudors needed parliamentary consent.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 06 Jul 19 11.08am

Originally posted by steeleye20

The EU is more democratic than the UK could ever be.

I see you have gone full on steeleye....

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jul 19 11.33am

Originally posted by steeleye20

The EU is more democratic than the UK could ever be.

Tell that to the Catalonians.

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 06 Jul 19 12.14pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

You don't even know who the EU commission are, you didn't choose them, only a handful did. Yet they hold executive power over all of the EU states. That's about as democratic as ruling by decree. Even the Tudors needed parliamentary consent.

Much like our next Prime Minister.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jul 19 12.35pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Much like our next Prime Minister.

Yep, but you get the chance to vote him out soon.

Whereas the EU commission is an inside Brussels job.....Yet they have far more power than any one Prime Minister.

 


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Invalid user 2019 Flag 07 Jul 19 2.44am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If.

The problem here is that you are essentially stating the same policies that have placed us into our current situation. Especially since there will be no significant changes to immigration policies.

Ethnicity isn't just about genetics but genetics matter all the same. Who brings you up matters massively. The location of your birth matters but, in reality it's secondary.....Our current ideas need to shift to reflect this.

Rudyard Kipling was born in India.....So is anyone seriously suggesting Kipling was an Indian?

David Gower was born in India......So is anyone seriously suggesting Gower is an Indian?

Keanu Reeves was born in Beirut....So Reeves could be Lebanese then?

To completely ignore genetics is to ignore reality.

I accept that a person born in and having a genuine allegiance to a country is its national regardless of genetics. That's because ethnicity is more than just genetics.

However, there needs to be a common sense acceptance at what has happened. We were told immigrants from very different cultures would integrate, but only a minority did and it's been decades now....The reality is that very few non whites call themselves English.

To state it doesn't matter is to say England remaining English doesn't matter.

I can't imagine that any immigration policy you would promote would in effect keep England English long term.....that might not matter to you, but it does to me.

Like Japan and Israel, China and in fact most countries outside Europe understand, this matters. The numbers matter....who owns what matters.

Hell even the Dalai Lama says and recognises that numbers matter. He says Europe is for Europeans....He specifically said, Germany is for Germans and hence England is for the English....the clue is in the name.

The UK is a northern European country and its policies should reflect and protect that. If some want to call that racist, then that's a burden the rest of us will have to carry.....I don't see the Japanese weeping about what others think.

This is a numbers game and what you don't protect you lose......and the English are losing....a minority in their own capital and soon to be a minority in Birmingham.


Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2019 12.37pm)


If the idea of a person being born somewhere and having allegiance to it just isn't always enough for you, because people can maintain links to elsewhere or don't have genetic roots there, then in their own way the examples you gave add an interestingly perspective..

These examples if anything offer a view that while being born somewhere certainly can count for something, if you are removed from there and settle elsewhere from a young age that can also loom large over your identity. If Keanu Reeves had remained in his place of birth, it's very likely that he'd have felt much more 'of that place' than he now does and that people would have viewed him as being Lebanese. In fact with parents from two different countries neither of which he was even born in or settled in, he now views himself to be Canadian.. and I'm happy to view him as such if that's where his allegiance lies. I'm not going to endlessly scrutinise a subjective measure of whether he belongs in Canada or is Canadian. And nor would you.. though primarily due to his race.

Assimilation certainly matters, yes for instance people importing strident religious views. Does that ebb away into nothingness the moment someone enters a new country? Often no. Where people are effectively dumped together in an area they're more likely to retain more of that identity, than say if their presence was based solely on a very limited number of skilled job vacancies pertaining to various occupational and geographical areas.


Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 3.06am)

 

Invalid user 2019 Flag 07 Jul 19 3.24am

The endless hyper focus and musing though on 'just how much' someone really belongs here or doesn't based on their genetics too in unhelpful. Where there is allegiance and this is the patch of land you are born and grow up on, this is home and you do not need to be validated or anointed by others in begrudging acceptance. There isn't a default additional value to your presence or your view based on the colour of your skin or your genetics, other than perhaps in your own head.

Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 3.26am)

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 07 Jul 19 7.16am

Originally posted by dollardays

If the idea of a person being born somewhere and having allegiance to it just isn't always enough for you, because people can maintain links to elsewhere or don't have genetic roots there, then in their own way the examples you gave add an interestingly perspective..

Watch the cricket World Cup semi final this week and see which players don't sing the national anthem.

In the games that I have watched Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid made no attempt to sing but oddly enough our Irish captain Eoin Morgan did.

Both Ali and Rashid were UK born of pakistani heritage

 

.TUX. Flag 07 Jul 19 8.41am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

It must be brexit.
BBC News - Ford to cut 12,000 jobs in Europe
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It must be Brexit #(i've lost count!)

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