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Originally posted by dollardays
I often wonder how much gold that's in 'storage' actually even exists. Tons of the stuff.
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Originally posted by .TUX.
not releasing it to those who own it. I certainly agree that it's best to physically own than assume that it's with a bank or government for 'safe keeping'. Edited by dollardays (05 Jul 2019 8.52pm)
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Originally posted by dollardays
I certainly agree that it's best to physically own than assume that it's with a bank or government for 'safe keeping'. Edited by dollardays (05 Jul 2019 8.52pm) Their ''keeping'' never means ''safe'' for you, no matter how many choose to believe in this myth.
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Originally posted by cryrst
Very true and correct BUT It's best not to stand from a point of them vs based on skin colour I think, so it all comes down to 'taking as you find'. It's neither a plus nor a minus. As for your point about religion, I agree to an extent. If someone values their religion above the law of the land, it could be argued that they aren't demonstrating a particularly meaningful allegiance to the country.
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Their ''keeping'' never means ''safe'' for you, no matter how many choose to believe in this myth. True. As a rule of thumb I think it's a mistake to rely on the government for anything. Their main interest is self interest and keeping their paymasters happy. If you've got millions or billions to hand I'm sure you have their ear. If not, the vast majority do not give a single sh!t and those that do have their hands tied by the system.
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Originally posted by dollardays
True. As a rule of thumb I think it's a mistake to rely on the government for anything. Their main interest is self interest and keeping their paymasters happy. If you've got millions or billions to hand I'm sure you have their ear. If not, the vast majority do not give a single sh!t and those that do have their hands tied by the system. But that's life in general dd
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Totally agree. These appointments sum up the undemocratic EU. Apparently the Eastern States are not happy, perhaps they should walk out in protest
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Originally posted by dollardays
Meaning non white I assume? If someone is born here and has an allegiance to this country, they are not some kind of second tier scrag end. I do think it's important to reiterate that. They in fact belong here as much as you do and are equally deserving of playing a part in all aspects of the political process from voting to government if they so wish. It's perfectly reasonable to both believe this and that immigration going forward should be limited. Edited by dollardays (05 Jul 2019 8.20pm) If. The problem here is that you are essentially stating the same policies that have placed us into our current situation. Especially since there will be no significant changes to immigration policies. Ethnicity isn't just about genetics but genetics matter all the same. Who brings you up matters massively. The location of your birth matters but, in reality it's secondary.....Our current ideas need to shift to reflect this. Rudyard Kipling was born in India.....So is anyone seriously suggesting Kipling was an Indian? David Gower was born in India......So is anyone seriously suggesting Gower is an Indian? Keanu Reeves was born in Beirut....So Reeves could be Lebanese then? To completely ignore genetics is to ignore reality. I accept that a person born in and having a genuine allegiance to a country is its national regardless of genetics. That's because ethnicity is more than just genetics. However, there needs to be a common sense acceptance at what has happened. We were told immigrants from very different cultures would integrate, but only a minority did and it's been decades now....The reality is that very few non whites call themselves English. To state it doesn't matter is to say England remaining English doesn't matter. I can't imagine that any immigration policy you would promote would in effect keep England English long term.....that might not matter to you, but it does to me. Like Japan and Israel, China and in fact most countries outside Europe understand, this matters. The numbers matter....who owns what matters. Hell even the Dalai Lama says and recognises that numbers matter. He says Europe is for Europeans....He specifically said, Germany is for Germans and hence England is for the English....the clue is in the name. The UK is a northern European country and its policies should reflect and protect that. If some want to call that racist, then that's a burden the rest of us will have to carry.....I don't see the Japanese weeping about what others think. This is a numbers game and what you don't protect you lose......and the English are losing....a minority in their own capital and soon to be a minority in Birmingham.
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Comedy gold, pass me my laughing emoji
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Totally agree. These appointments sum up the undemocratic EU. Apparently the Eastern States are not happy, perhaps they should walk out in protest The EU is more democratic than the UK could ever be.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The EU is more democratic than the UK could ever be. You don't even know who the EU commission are, you didn't choose them, only a handful did. Yet they hold executive power over all of the EU states. That's about as democratic as ruling by decree. Even the Tudors needed parliamentary consent.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The EU is more democratic than the UK could ever be. I see you have gone full on steeleye....
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The EU is more democratic than the UK could ever be. Tell that to the Catalonians.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
You don't even know who the EU commission are, you didn't choose them, only a handful did. Yet they hold executive power over all of the EU states. That's about as democratic as ruling by decree. Even the Tudors needed parliamentary consent. Much like our next Prime Minister.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Much like our next Prime Minister. Yep, but you get the chance to vote him out soon. Whereas the EU commission is an inside Brussels job.....Yet they have far more power than any one Prime Minister.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If. The problem here is that you are essentially stating the same policies that have placed us into our current situation. Especially since there will be no significant changes to immigration policies. Ethnicity isn't just about genetics but genetics matter all the same. Who brings you up matters massively. The location of your birth matters but, in reality it's secondary.....Our current ideas need to shift to reflect this. Rudyard Kipling was born in India.....So is anyone seriously suggesting Kipling was an Indian? David Gower was born in India......So is anyone seriously suggesting Gower is an Indian? Keanu Reeves was born in Beirut....So Reeves could be Lebanese then? To completely ignore genetics is to ignore reality. I accept that a person born in and having a genuine allegiance to a country is its national regardless of genetics. That's because ethnicity is more than just genetics. However, there needs to be a common sense acceptance at what has happened. We were told immigrants from very different cultures would integrate, but only a minority did and it's been decades now....The reality is that very few non whites call themselves English. To state it doesn't matter is to say England remaining English doesn't matter. I can't imagine that any immigration policy you would promote would in effect keep England English long term.....that might not matter to you, but it does to me. Like Japan and Israel, China and in fact most countries outside Europe understand, this matters. The numbers matter....who owns what matters. Hell even the Dalai Lama says and recognises that numbers matter. He says Europe is for Europeans....He specifically said, Germany is for Germans and hence England is for the English....the clue is in the name. The UK is a northern European country and its policies should reflect and protect that. If some want to call that racist, then that's a burden the rest of us will have to carry.....I don't see the Japanese weeping about what others think. This is a numbers game and what you don't protect you lose......and the English are losing....a minority in their own capital and soon to be a minority in Birmingham.
These examples if anything offer a view that while being born somewhere certainly can count for something, if you are removed from there and settle elsewhere from a young age that can also loom large over your identity. If Keanu Reeves had remained in his place of birth, it's very likely that he'd have felt much more 'of that place' than he now does and that people would have viewed him as being Lebanese. In fact with parents from two different countries neither of which he was even born in or settled in, he now views himself to be Canadian.. and I'm happy to view him as such if that's where his allegiance lies. I'm not going to endlessly scrutinise a subjective measure of whether he belongs in Canada or is Canadian. And nor would you.. though primarily due to his race. Assimilation certainly matters, yes for instance people importing strident religious views. Does that ebb away into nothingness the moment someone enters a new country? Often no. Where people are effectively dumped together in an area they're more likely to retain more of that identity, than say if their presence was based solely on a very limited number of skilled job vacancies pertaining to various occupational and geographical areas.
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Originally posted by dollardays
If the idea of a person being born somewhere and having allegiance to it just isn't always enough for you, because people can maintain links to elsewhere or don't have genetic roots there, then in their own way the examples you gave add an interestingly perspective.. Watch the cricket World Cup semi final this week and see which players don't sing the national anthem. In the games that I have watched Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid made no attempt to sing but oddly enough our Irish captain Eoin Morgan did. Both Ali and Rashid were UK born of pakistani heritage
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
It must be brexit. It must be Brexit #(i've lost count!)
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