I do revile Cameron, but that does not mean he didn't get ANY concessions.

This is from the economist.
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The easiest was the first, competitiveness, because all EU leaders pay lip service to cutting red tape, signing more trade deals and completing the single market—even though they may object to specific individual measures. The sovereignty basket was harder: although all countries signed up to a “red card” mechanism that will allow a majority of national parliaments to block EU laws, the Belgians and some others were surprisingly hostile to letting Britain escape its commitment to ever-closer union. In the end, though, this was conceded on the basis of Mr Cameron’s “live and let live” approach, whereby Britain promises not to stop other EU countries moving towards closer union so long as it can opt out.

The biggest argument came over the fourth basket: Britain’s desire to stop new migrants from the EU claiming in-work benefits, and also to stop paying child benefit, even for existing EU migrants, for children left in home countries. In a compromise, Mr Cameron won approval for an “emergency brake” allowing Britain to stop the first for seven years, and to cut child benefits for existing migrants from 2020 onwards. The European Commission expressed confidence that this would withstand a legal challenge on grounds of discrimination against other EU nationals; some lawyers are less sure. What seems less certain still is that fiddling with benefit rules will make much difference to the numbers of EU migrants coming to Britain, because almost all of them come to work, not to claim benefits.

Doesn't look like nothing to me. True he didn't get all that he wanted. But liking or hating him does not dispute the above.

Exactly my point. They are only interested in stifling competition amongst small to medium size businesses, that's why they want to remain. It takes on average six to eight weeks to get all your paperwork up together to start a business in Europe but a matter of a week or two in the USA. Incidentally it takes you 3/4 hours to file the relevant paperwork in New Zealand
*LEAVE*

Pro USA & Israel

So you've never been on an overcrowded tube train not being able to get a seat, sat for hours on the M25 going nowhere, couldn't get a Drs appointment, waited for hours in A&E, not been able to get your kid in your local school etc etc?

All of these events boil down to immigrants over crowding our island/infrastructure and p1ss me off royally.... I guess you don't get out much these days. 40 years ago in London none of this was happening BTW.

Depends on your perspective? Those things could equally be assigned to successive governments failing to address infrastructure problems.

I haven't heard many saying Gove was a xeonphobic, but Farage plays up to it. And his poster - which was subsequently removed - was further evidence that he at least plays up to it if he isn't actually xenophobic (although personally I think much of it is an act).

Points-based systems can work but it is very illiberal and relies on the government knowing best what is good for our economy. Most of you are saying you don't trust them so why do you trust them to know what is in the best interests of the labour market?

"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

Yep under a socialist government a bit like the EU BIG government & to many people on that gravy train.

Pro USA & Israel

But that's not all they've proposed, and that's not why they're labelled xenophobic.

This campaign started with leave contesting 'you can't label all of us as racists just because we have concerns about immigration' - which is an entirely fair and true point - but it's not an all-encompassing defence which renders everyone immune from being accessed of xenophobia.

Of course it's moronic to label all Brexiters as racist, but it's equally moronic to deny the existence of that element in sections of the campaign - Farage has, in my opinion, too often crossed the line between having 'concerns about immigration' and being outright offensive.

Not only a Socialist government but the PM was James Callaghan FFS.....

Peter Cook constantly referred to him as "an oily heap of sh1t"

But unlike our unelected EU masters... we were able to vote Callaghan and his lefty idealistic sort out in 1979 and bring in Maggie to get Britain 'out of a tailspin even Biggles couldn't have got out of'.

* I dedicate that Biggles quote to Cucking, who famously coined it some years back.

A good reposte and spot on

What many fail time and time again to recognise is the massive crisis just around the corner if we continue to fill up this little isle at the rate we are.

When I was a kid, let's say around 1970, the roads were quiet, traffic jams were non existent, jobs were unfilled, people were starting to move out of home at a younger age and the channel tunnel didn't exist.

We cannot expect our infrastructure to cope with this insanity. The scary thing is that the levels now will seem like a trickle in 100 years time unless we pull in the drawbridge and massively restrict incomers.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Jun 2016 1.25pm)

Doesn't the difference in the number of cars per household and percentage of people who are car owners affect this. Does the fact many more people not work locally affect this? No its the fault of those foreign w***ers innit.

The situation is unbalanced as virtually all of the political elite is for remain if you look at the newspapers all of the financial press, the economist, the financial times, the liberal dailies, the Guardian, the Independent, the Mirror are for remaining. Murdoch press is slightly skeptical but on the whole is in favour of remaining.

The fear campaign is similar to the Scottish indi campaign. If you remember, fear totally dominated the last two to three weeks.
It is exactly the same tactic that is being followed on the EU referendum campaign.

It's difficult to open a newspaper without reading some fear campaign.

IF BRITAIN LEAVES DISASTER WILL HAPPEN....

I don't have any respect for the remain or Brexit CAMPAIN(s)
The campaign against Sadiq Khan was vicious and racist. It was lead by the Tories. Lead by Cameron and Goldsmith, we learn after that there were big in-fights between Goldsmith and the party, telling him how the campaign was going to run, they did it and lost! How was that any worse than what's going on now?

I'm not with Farrage or Borris but am able to see the bigger picture and not focus on the analysis. I want to see the tactics, like the
Sun Tzu quote: "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat". But made my mind up a long time ago.

VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again