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 elgrande  bedford 07 Jul 19 8.26pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Did you need a Visa too fly to Switzerland? No of course not how silly of me....
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jul 19 8.32pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Watch the football World Cup semi final and see which players do sing the national anthem Still, a display of allegiance to your countrymen, or lack of, can manifest itself in many ways and is a responsibility of all. My British born black and mixed mates don't need to be given some kind of special seal of approval from someone who 'prefers European ethnicity', harps on about genetics non stop and refers to gay people as 'fags'. Some people need to learn how to assimilate into their own society rather than just perpetually cast stones at others. Valuing societal and familial ties is not always about how someone else behaves. Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 6.15pm) This is what people like you do. You take a joke I made to wind DanH up with and then present it outside of context. So for anyone reading this who isn't aware about this poster....I suspect he is the old Word Up from the past who left around when Nick departed, if you remember that guy....He's never denied the contention nor answered it. He has a very similar style and mode of posting. Take what he says against other posters with the knowledge that he has an agenda to present very one eyed representations of their arguments or comments. Not a poster worthy of trusting on here, nor someone I wager is worthy of much trust in life. It's unfortunate that I spend the time on those two previous posts before seeing your latest out of context attacks on me. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 8.39pm)
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| Invalid user 2019 07 Jul 19 8.41pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This is what people like you do. You take a joke I made to wind DanH up with and then present it outside of context. So for anyone reading this who isn't aware about this poster....I suspect he is the old Word Up from the past who left around when Nick departed, if you remember that guy....He's never denied the contention nor answered it. He has a very similar style and mode of posting. Take what he says against other posters with the knowledge that he has an agenda to present very one eyed representations of their arguments or comments. Not a poster worthy of trusting on here, nor someone I wager is worthy of much trust in life.
Yeah hilarious. Let's pepper the place with the n word too shall we, that's be a right laugh. All harmless fun. The point stands, you offer no standard when you throw around words like that towards groups you're not keen on who engage in 'lifestyles you don't like'. Stop whining about it when your lack of basic decency is highlighted.
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| Invalid user 2019 07 Jul 19 8.44pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
While I'd fully agree that the homosexual community along with other communities have considerable cause to be concerned with the coming and on-going percentage increase in mainstream Islam and its pretty consistent attitudes. I would contrast your previous exhaustively paged concern for one sexual identity group shown in that previous thread with your lack of concern for continued existence of racial ones. Yet our admittance into these groups are principally genetically determined ones and can't be biologically altered.....So why the difference in emphasis....it should at least demonstrate some concern for both. For me, that's 'identity politics for me, but not for thee'. While I disagree with you and the state on what should be sexual education in schools I certainly share a genuine concern for minorities within Islam....a contrast in attitudes which makes my disproving attitude towards 'pride' type activism look like a tranny acceptance ceremony in comparison.
A persons sexual identity is for them to express their own way. Certainly where adherence to invented Gods gets in the way of people living their lives I am all for not giving two figs about that, as I made clear before. As I previously stated, the idea the education policy in an area should bend to the will and be catered around muslim sensibilities in muslim areas, which was your take by the way, certainly wasn't for me and I was clear about that. I don't have a lot of time for religion where it infringes upon others lives and have highlighted that I view assimilation as more difficult when religion is a factor. Mass immigration isn't something I've ever favoured anyway so there's that...
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| Invalid user 2019 07 Jul 19 8.47pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's unfortunate that I spend the time on those two previous posts before seeing your latest out of context attacks on me. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 8.39pm) No it's unfortunate that you demand allegiance and offer none to your own countrymen with your hateful slurs. Good luck with assimilating though. You initially offered a huge reply when I was answering someone else anyway. Your inability to deal with various demographics around you is your own issue. You're under no obligation to share your concerns with me or to communicate with me.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jul 19 8.48pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Yeah hilarious. Let's pepper the place with the n word too shall we, that's be a right laugh. All harmless fun. The point stands, you offer no standard when you throw around words like that towards groups you're not keen on who engage in 'lifestyles you don't like'. Stop whining about it when your lack of basic decency is highlighted. So in your latest display of 'identity politics'....which seemingly regularly relates to this one group, you are suggesting that the word 'fag' is just as bad a word as the word, '******'. Not to me personally and I'd suggest not in society generally but regardless I was making a joke, and you imply here that this context doesn't matter as you try to demonise me. You aren't worthy of trust on here, nor I suggest would you be in real life.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jul 19 8.55pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
No it's unfortunate that you demand allegiance and offer none to your own countrymen with your hateful slurs. Good luck with assimilating though. You initially offered a huge reply when I was answering someone else anyway. Your inability to deal with various demographics around you is your own issue. You're under no obligation to share your concerns with me or to communicate with me. Sure, and regardless of what I think of you I won't if you ask. However, in the absence of that when you post on subjects that interest me and where I disagree with you I'll reply. If only to highlight what I view as the inevitable conclusions of your opinions.
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| Invalid user 2019 07 Jul 19 8.56pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So in your latest display of 'identity politics'....which seemingly regularly relates to this one group, you are suggesting that the word 'fag' is just as bad a word as the word, '******'. Not to me personally and I'd suggest not in society generally but regardless I was making a joke, and you imply here that this context doesn't matter as you try to demonise me. You aren't worthy of trust on here, nor I suggest would you be in real life. They are both the most hateful word that can be expressed towards said groups. I don't much care about whatever hierarchy you have in your head or whatever justification you feel makes sense to you. Neither words are present in most peoples vocabulary, because people tend to extend a modicum of decency to their fellow man. They tend to pull together. To Assimilate.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jul 19 9.22pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
A persons sexual identity is for them to express their own way. Sure, as is their racial.....though you did spend a significant time waffling about 'white supremacy' in previous threads. So it appears that you operate different standards between the sexual and racial. An acceptance for the celebration of one but not the other.....indeed a willingness to demonise it and cloak it in ridiculous terms like 'white supremacy'. Originally posted by dollardays
Certainly where adherence to invented Gods gets in the way of people living their lives I am all for not giving two figs about that, as I made clear before. As I previously stated, the idea the education policy in an area should bend to the will and be catered around muslim sensibilities in muslim areas, which was your take by the way, certainly wasn't for me and I was clear about that. So someone's religious beliefs don't bother you unless they conflict with one of your beliefs.....Not surprising. Disapproving of the teaching of same sex relationships to five year olds isn't just something that most Muslims disapprove of. I too view that marriage between couples capable of reproduction is more important for society than one that can't. All parents have the right to be concerned about the state pushing sexual politics onto their children that is in direct opposition to their own culture. Originally posted by dollardays
I don't have a lot of time for religion where it infringes upon others lives and have highlighted that I view assimilation as more difficult when religion is a factor. Mass immigration isn't something I've ever favoured anyway so there's that... Well buckle up cowboy because this ride is one way.....and egalitarian ideas have a difficult job really objecting to 'mass immigration'. However, this is at least something with which we have a partial agreement. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 9.31pm)
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jul 19 9.28pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
They are both the most hateful word that can be expressed towards said groups. I don't much care about whatever hierarchy you have in your head or whatever justification you feel makes sense to you. Neither words are present in most peoples vocabulary, because people tend to extend a modicum of decency to their fellow man. They tend to pull together. To Assimilate. Hateful in your eyes maybe.....How progressive of you to use 'hateful', which would suggest I 'hate'. I don't view 'fag' as anything other than a slight slur and I used it within a joke context. Unless you are supporting censorship of words you don't like I suggest you get over it and accept it as such. I deliberately used it to wind up a fellow 'progressive' like you. I don't support the increased censorship on words. Here's some George Carlin for you.
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| Invalid user 2019 07 Jul 19 9.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Sure, as is their racial.....though you did spend a significant time waffling about 'white supremacy' in previous threads. So it appears that you operate different standards between the sexual and racial. Yes it is. much like sexual identity we all get to procreate with exactly who we wish to. I know many couples, most white, some mixed. Who cares. However, beyond your own partner how others live their lives is down to them. Beyond that and of course immigration policy, you don't get to configure a country along whatever racial or sexual lines you feel most comfortable with. It is what it is. Quote So someone's religious beliefs don't bother you unless they conflict with one of your beliefs.....Not surprising.
I said "certainly where adherence to invented Gods gets in the way of people living their lives I am all for not giving two figs about that". Not 'my life' or your life. I have nothing to gain here. So in this case, or is someone wants to draw a religious figure without a nutter doing them in, or leave a religion, or 'for all his faults' the likes of Tommy highlighting grooming gangs. All of those things.
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| Invalid user 2019 07 Jul 19 9.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Hateful in your eyes maybe.....How progressive of you to use 'hateful', which would suggest I 'hate'. I don't view 'fag' as anything other than a slight slur and I used it within a joke context. Unless you are supporting censorship of words you don't like I suggest you get over it and accept it as such. I deliberately used it to wind up a fellow 'progressive' like you. I don't support the increased censorship on words. Here's some George Carlin for you. This isn't sound bawdy joke which is the polar opposite of your actual beliefs though is it. This is someone reeling out talk of 'degenerate fags' as a 'joke' who previously said that you have no obligation to treat gays in any way because they live 'a lifestyle you don't like' and who primed to remove their kids from school if theyre taught about gay relationships. Your behaviour is a lack of familial decency and allegiance, so yes it's a laugh that you whine about others lack of assimilation when effectively that is an accurate description of your own behaviour. I don't agree with censoring any words. Carlin was a decent man who had plenty of time for everyone regardless of colour or creed. That ain't you. Unless people share your exacting sensibilities you're marking off demographics like an OAP at bingo. Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 9.47pm)
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jul 19 9.49pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Yes it is. much like sexual identity we all get to procreate with exactly who we wish to. I know many couples, most white, some mixed. Who cares. However, beyond your own partner how others live their lives is down to them. Beyond that and of course immigration policy, you don't get to configure a country along whatever racial or sexual lines you feel most comfortable with. It is what it is. It seems to me that by promoting lifestyles that would increase the number of same sex relationships and hence reduce reproduction rates is doing exactly that...You are indeed supporting the 'configuring of society'....but just along the lines that you want. I as said, I think you have an internal inconsistency between your views of the sexual and that of the racial. To take your wider point....I have a certain acceptance of the general principle.....However, like I've stated people following your principles are walking into demographic replacement. Similar to what the Dalai Lama said, England is for the English.....A country like Japan, China and many others outside Europe protect their biological heritage and I ask for nothing more.....I view that as highly important as people with your views enable its destruction.
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| Invalid user 2019 07 Jul 19 9.54pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It seems to me that by promoting lifestyles that would increase the number of same sex relationships and hence reduce reproduction rates is doing exactly that...You are indeed supporting the 'configuring of society'....but just along the lines that you want. I as said, I think you have an internal inconsistency between your views of the sexual and that of the racial. To take your wider point....I have a certain acceptance of the general principle.....However, like I've stated people following your principles are walking into demographic replacement. Similar to what the Dalai Lama said, England is for the English.....A country like Japan, China and many others outside Europe protect their biological heritage and I ask for nothing more.....I view that as highly important as people with your views enable its destruction. It must get tiring between suggesting on here that eugenics will remove homosexuality and then thinking that we can magically make people gay through 'promoting a lifestyle'. Interesting that you're all for the tinkering of genes but very protective of mixing them with someone who looks a bit different. Still, each to their own. Who people partner with, sexualy or racially is outside of my domain. Treating people with decency regardless of their race of sexuality is not. In any case, as stated, where is the relevance of anything you're saying to me. I'm not beckoning in anyone from overseas, nor do i approve of anything other than levels of immigration based around need. If there is no need then zero is fine.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jul 19 9.58pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
This isn't sound bawdy joke which is the polar opposite of your actual beliefs though is it. This is someone reeling out talk of 'degenerate fags' as a 'joke' who previously said that you have no obligation to treat gays in any way because they live 'a lifestyle you don't like' and who primed to remove their kids from school if theyre taught about gay relationships. Your behaviour is a lack of familial decency and allegiance, so yes it's a laugh that you whine about others lack of assimilation when effectively that is an accurate description of your own behaviour. So much inaccuracy.....like I've said before with you you make weak deductions from statements to support contentions you make up. Some gays live a lifestyle I don't like.....Hell the very joke says that.....Jesus! I'm clear with my views. I don't hide them. I don't appreciate you portraying positions I don't really hold because you don't like how I think.....Really calling me 'hateful'....you're a parody of a 'identity politics' progressive yourself.....Who Carlin was taking the pIss out of. The rest of that over long paragraph reads like a badly formed waffle ending to some silly notion that I'm not assimilated. Originally posted by dollardays
I don't agree with censoring any words. Carlin was a decent man who had plenty of time for everyone regardless of colour or creed. That ain't you. Unless people share your exacting sensibilities you're marking off demographics like an OAP at bingo. Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 9.47pm) So what are you saying here....If people you approve of use words like 'fag' that's ok but if those you view as 'hateful' use it you're going to melt like a snowflake? You have some issues Word Up. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 10.01pm)
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| Invalid user 2019 07 Jul 19 10.08pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So what are you saying here....If people you approve of use words like 'fag' that's ok but if those you view as 'hateful' use it you're going to melt like a snowflake? You have some issues Word Up. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 10.01pm) More fantasy. I didn't say you can't use what words you like. "Yeah hilarious. Let's pepper the place with the n word too shall we, that's be a right laugh. All harmless fun. The point stands, you offer no standard when you throw around words like that towards groups you're not keen on who engage in 'lifestyles you don't like'. Stop whining about it when your lack of basic decency is highlighted." You use what words you like and I'll take a view on it. Of course that's an unbelievable notion to you, but that's actually what free speech is. If you want to reel of f*g or branch out into jokes about n*ggers next that's you for. Two groups you have issues with, so neither would be particularly surprising.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Jul 19 10.22pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
It must get tiring between suggesting on here that eugenics will remove homosexuality and then thinking that we can magically make people gay through 'promoting a lifestyle'. So are you seriously suggesting that the promotion of homosexuality as an equal choice for women....who statistically have much higher rates of bisexuality....isn't...if successfully implemented over years going to add to the decrease in reproduction rates? As for eugenics.....why would you care Wordy?....you are appartently so against identity politics....who cares if the northern European English disappear so likewise who cares if the homosexual disappears? I never actually said that anyway. Regardless of the genetic science of the far off future homosexuality will never totally 'disappear' as firstly genes are affected by environment to differing degrees and secondly sexuality can be affected by circumstance....as the noises coming from some prison cells would attest to. But very long term it's probable that all sexuality will be affected and controlled....as will race. Originally posted by dollardays
Interesting that you're all for the tinkering of genes but very protective of mixing them with someone who looks a bit different. Still, each to their own. Edited by dollardays (07 Jul 2019 9.56pm) I'm protective on a national policy level....I hold the same contention that many actual countries hold. However, at the individual level, you over extend my attitude. People's choices are their own. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 10.24pm)
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| ChrisGC Wantage 07 Jul 19 10.24pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
More fantasy. I didn't say you can't use what words you like. "Yeah hilarious. Let's pepper the place with the n word too shall we, that's be a right laugh. All harmless fun. The point stands, you offer no standard when you throw around words like that towards groups you're not keen on who engage in 'lifestyles you don't like'. Stop whining about it when your lack of basic decency is highlighted." You use what words you like and I'll take a view on it. Of course that's an unbelievable notion to you, but that's actually what free speech is. If you want to reel of f*g or branch out into jokes about n*ggers next that's you for. Two groups you have issues with, so neither would be particularly surprising. Knew you were the sort to shout racist when you're losing the argument. Disgraceful.
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| Invalid user 2019 07 Jul 19 10.27pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Knew you were the sort to shout racist when you're losing the argument. Disgraceful. You were angry about Stormzy's use of homophobic language the other day. Fine now though of course. Opportunist. Shoo.
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| Invalid user 2019 07 Jul 19 10.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm protective on a national policy level....I hold the same contention that many actual countries hold. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Jul 2019 10.24pm) So am I
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