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Stirlingsays 08 Jul 19 5.23pm
Originally posted by Badger11 It may not come to that I can see a way where we Brexit. The no deal Brexit was only blocked by 1 vote, hardly decisive and it will be 6 months on. The hard core Remainers will not change their vote but there are plenty of MPs who could be persuaded to change their minds. Option 1. Boris gets the EU to drop the backstop. If this happens the DUP will come on board as will the ERG so the chances of a version of May's deal passing is high. Option 2. The EU refuses to budge or renegotiate any part of the deal, take it or leave it. Boris goes for a no deal Brexit. Boris can point out to the waverers that a better deal is not available so rejecting a no deal Brexit no longer makes sense. The ERG and DUP will probably support this the alternative is a GE something Tories and some Labour MPs in marginal seats will not welcome as The Brexit party will target those seats. 6 months ago the hold out for a better deal instead of a no deal kinda made sense. However if the EU keep to their word Corbyn can say he will get a better deal all he wants but meanwhile back on planet earth most MPs will realise it's no deal Brexit or Remain. Self preservation tends to concentrate the mind. I don't no any more than the rest of you but my gut feel is that Boris will scrap together enough votes to squeeze this through otherwise it's bye bye Tories. I hope you're right...taking 'no deal' off the table basically kills any real Brexit and hence Farage takes over. I expect Johnson's team will know if those extra votes are there or not. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Jul 19 5.23pm

Originally posted by Badger11

It may not come to that I can see a way where we Brexit. The no deal Brexit was only blocked by 1 vote, hardly decisive and it will be 6 months on.

The hard core Remainers will not change their vote but there are plenty of MPs who could be persuaded to change their minds.

Option 1. Boris gets the EU to drop the backstop. If this happens the DUP will come on board as will the ERG so the chances of a version of May's deal passing is high.

Option 2. The EU refuses to budge or renegotiate any part of the deal, take it or leave it. Boris goes for a no deal Brexit.

Boris can point out to the waverers that a better deal is not available so rejecting a no deal Brexit no longer makes sense. The ERG and DUP will probably support this the alternative is a GE something Tories and some Labour MPs in marginal seats will not welcome as The Brexit party will target those seats.

6 months ago the hold out for a better deal instead of a no deal kinda made sense. However if the EU keep to their word Corbyn can say he will get a better deal all he wants but meanwhile back on planet earth most MPs will realise it's no deal Brexit or Remain. Self preservation tends to concentrate the mind.

I don't no any more than the rest of you but my gut feel is that Boris will scrap together enough votes to squeeze this through otherwise it's bye bye Tories.

I hope you're right...taking 'no deal' off the table basically kills any real Brexit and hence Farage takes over.

I expect Johnson's team will know if those extra votes are there or not.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

ChrisGC Wantage 08 Jul 19 8.11pm
Originally posted by dollardays Again, stop communicating with me. On here and via DM. Not interested. I haven't communicated with you via DM since your unsolicited mail of a few weeks ago which you then manipulated my response to try and score points in a (try to form) cowardly and underhand manner. I won't be falling into that tap again, so stop trying. Your DMs are not welcome: it's a little obsessive. I have no idea what Stormzy has got to do with you implying Stirling was a racist so haven't read your last rant as it can only be irrelevant. I am still chucking over your little hissy fit from yesterday though, absolute classic.

ChrisGC

Wantage 08 Jul 19 8.11pm

Originally posted by dollardays

Again, stop communicating with me. On here and via DM. Not interested.

I haven't communicated with you via DM since your unsolicited mail of a few weeks ago which you then manipulated my response to try and score points in a (try to form) cowardly and underhand manner. I won't be falling into that tap again, so stop trying. Your DMs are not welcome: it's a little obsessive.

I have no idea what Stormzy has got to do with you implying Stirling was a racist so haven't read your last rant as it can only be irrelevant.

I am still chucking over your little hissy fit from yesterday though, absolute classic.

ChrisGC Wantage 08 Jul 19 8.12pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I hope you're right...taking 'no deal' off the table basically kills any real Brexit and hence Farage takes over. I expect Johnson's team will know if those extra votes are there or not. He does have to get his house in order mind you (assuming he gets the job). Maybe withdraw the whip on Grieve, show what happens to those who don't toe the party line.

ChrisGC

Wantage 08 Jul 19 8.12pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I hope you're right...taking 'no deal' off the table basically kills any real Brexit and hence Farage takes over.

I expect Johnson's team will know if those extra votes are there or not.

He does have to get his house in order mind you (assuming he gets the job).

Maybe withdraw the whip on Grieve, show what happens to those who don't toe the party line.

Invalid user 2019 08 Jul 19 8.24pm
Originally posted by ChrisGC -- More nonsense. Midlands Eagle indicated that he didn't want this dragging on, so stop trying to keep this going with your usual bollocks baiting for a reaction. Stop communicating with me. I've asked you about 5 times now. In fact that is all I say to you. Edited by dollardays (08 Jul 2019 9.36pm)

Invalid user 2019

08 Jul 19 8.24pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

More nonsense. Midlands Eagle indicated that he didn't want this dragging on, so stop trying to keep this going with your usual bollocks baiting for a reaction.

Stop communicating with me. I've asked you about 5 times now. In fact that is all I say to you.

Edited by dollardays (08 Jul 2019 9.36pm)

Stirlingsays 08 Jul 19 8.46pm
Originally posted by ChrisGC He does have to get his house in order mind you (assuming he gets the job). Maybe withdraw the whip on Grieve, show what happens to those who don't toe the party line. The whole Brexit thing has started to resemble a very weird political version of punch and Judy.....Or perhaps the Keystone cops. It's all extremely important of course but in a sense I've blown my steam about it and for the moment I'm just observing it like a cinema goer eating popcorn. At least Johnson should make for a good laugh now and again......But if Hunt got in....I think I'd get rather frigging annoyed again. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Jul 19 8.46pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

He does have to get his house in order mind you (assuming he gets the job).

Maybe withdraw the whip on Grieve, show what happens to those who don't toe the party line.

The whole Brexit thing has started to resemble a very weird political version of punch and Judy.....Or perhaps the Keystone cops.

It's all extremely important of course but in a sense I've blown my steam about it and for the moment I'm just observing it like a cinema goer eating popcorn.

At least Johnson should make for a good laugh now and again......But if Hunt got in....I think I'd get rather frigging annoyed again.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf The Ganger 08 Jul 19 9.21pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Maybe if you stop posting about football, Hrolf, which you literally seem to know nothing about whatsoever! I am enjoying watching Dominic Grieve this morning, he is one of a group of 30 or 40 Tory MPs who together with the speaker, and other parties, will never allow a no deal exit of the EU to come to pass. I wonder if Johnson is so barmy as to call an election, lose massive ground to Farage, just in hope of changing the dynamics in the house enough to be able to pass a no deal exit. Will he destroy the conservative party willfully, all in the name of the precious Brexit? Which is still clearly more than you. Any party or politician which denies the Brexit people voted for deserves all it gets. That goes for the second referendum muppets of Labour as well of course.

Hrolf The Ganger

08 Jul 19 9.21pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Maybe if you stop posting about football, Hrolf, which you literally seem to know nothing about whatsoever!

I am enjoying watching Dominic Grieve this morning, he is one of a group of 30 or 40 Tory MPs who together with the speaker, and other parties, will never allow a no deal exit of the EU to come to pass.

I wonder if Johnson is so barmy as to call an election, lose massive ground to Farage, just in hope of changing the dynamics in the house enough to be able to pass a no deal exit.

Will he destroy the conservative party willfully, all in the name of the precious Brexit?

Which is still clearly more than you.

Any party or politician which denies the Brexit people voted for deserves all it gets. That goes for the second referendum muppets of Labour as well of course.

ChrisGC Wantage 08 Jul 19 9.48pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The whole Brexit thing has started to resemble a very weird political version of punch and Judy.....Or perhaps the Keystone cops. It's all extremely important of course but in a sense I've blown my steam about it and for the moment I'm just observing it like a cinema goer eating popcorn. At least Johnson should make for a good laugh now and again......But if Hunt got in....I think I'd get rather frigging annoyed again. If Hunt got in it's just May 2.0.

ChrisGC

Wantage 08 Jul 19 9.48pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The whole Brexit thing has started to resemble a very weird political version of punch and Judy.....Or perhaps the Keystone cops.

It's all extremely important of course but in a sense I've blown my steam about it and for the moment I'm just observing it like a cinema goer eating popcorn.

At least Johnson should make for a good laugh now and again......But if Hunt got in....I think I'd get rather frigging annoyed again.

If Hunt got in it's just May 2.0.

Stirlingsays 09 Jul 19 12.13am
Originally posted by ChrisGC If Hunt got in it's just May 2.0. You know it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jul 19 12.13am

Originally posted by ChrisGC

If Hunt got in it's just May 2.0.

You know it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 09 Jul 19 7.56am
So the unions now want a second vote. Just heard a union member on the radio claim that his union has never asked its members for their views I wonder if the others bothered to. Labour still seem to be all over the place. If you vote Labour you may get Brexit then again you may get Remain. I suspect most voters would prefer a clear pro Remain or pro Brexit position. If you can make sense of this good luck. [Link] One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 09 Jul 19 7.56am

So the unions now want a second vote. Just heard a union member on the radio claim that his union has never asked its members for their views I wonder if the others bothered to.

Labour still seem to be all over the place. If you vote Labour you may get Brexit then again you may get Remain. I suspect most voters would prefer a clear pro Remain or pro Brexit position.

If you can make sense of this good luck.

[Link]

One more point

dynamicdick Dormansland 09 Jul 19 8.07am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Maybe if you stop posting about football, Hrolf, which you literally seem to know nothing about whatsoever! I am enjoying watching Dominic Grieve this morning, he is one of a group of 30 or 40 Tory MPs who together with the speaker, and other parties, will never allow a no deal exit of the EU to come to pass. I wonder if Johnson is so barmy as to call an election, lose massive ground to Farage, just in hope of changing the dynamics in the house enough to be able to pass a no deal exit. Will he destroy the conservative party willfully, all in the name of the precious Brexit? Dominic Grieve should be de-selected for this action and previous persistent attempts to block Brexit. This should also apply to any other MP who has sought this route including dear Mr Bercow. To all these idiots contribute to the Brexit process but do not dare block. Democracy has to be followed. Taking no deal off will again weaken our hand and play into the EU’s. Roll on Boris! Bring back Brolin

dynamicdick

Dormansland 09 Jul 19 8.07am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Maybe if you stop posting about football, Hrolf, which you literally seem to know nothing about whatsoever!

I wonder if Johnson is so barmy as to call an election, lose massive ground to Farage, just in hope of changing the dynamics in the house enough to be able to pass a no deal exit.

Will he destroy the conservative party willfully, all in the name of the precious Brexit?

Dominic Grieve should be de-selected for this action and previous persistent attempts to block Brexit. This should also apply to any other MP who has sought this route including dear Mr Bercow. To all these idiots contribute to the Brexit process but do not dare block. Democracy has to be followed. Taking no deal off will again weaken our hand and play into the EU’s. Roll on Boris!

Bring back Brolin

ChrisGC Wantage 09 Jul 19 8.48am
Originally posted by dynamicdick Dominic Grieve should be de-selected for this action and previous persistent attempts to block Brexit. This should also apply to any other MP who has sought this route including dear Mr Bercow. To all these idiots contribute to the Brexit process but do not dare block. Democracy has to be followed. Taking no deal off will again weaken our hand and play into the EU’s. Roll on Boris! Exactly.

ChrisGC

Wantage 09 Jul 19 8.48am

Originally posted by dynamicdick

Exactly.

Mapletree Croydon 09 Jul 19 9.02am
Originally posted by ChrisGC Exactly. Beaconsfield voted Remain. The Conservatives campaigned for Remain. So are the ‘Conservative’ ‘activists’ really acting in the best interests of the constituents by threatening deselection if he isn’t more enthusiastic about Brexit. And how long have the ‘activists’ been members?

Mapletree

Croydon 09 Jul 19 9.02am

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Exactly.

Beaconsfield voted Remain. The Conservatives campaigned for Remain. So are the ‘Conservative’ ‘activists’ really acting in the best interests of the constituents by threatening deselection if he isn’t more enthusiastic about Brexit. And how long have the ‘activists’ been members?

Mapletree Croydon 09 Jul 19 9.06am
Originally posted by ChrisGC I am still chucking over your little hissy fit from yesterday though, absolute classic. I know. Some posters make me feel sick too. Never been THAT bad though.

Mapletree

Croydon 09 Jul 19 9.06am

Originally posted by ChrisGC

I am still chucking over your little hissy fit from yesterday though, absolute classic.

I know. Some posters make me feel sick too. Never been THAT bad though.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 09 Jul 19 11.36am
Originally posted by dynamicdick Dominic Grieve should be de-selected for this action and previous persistent attempts to block Brexit. This should also apply to any other MP who has sought this route including dear Mr Bercow. To all these idiots contribute to the Brexit process but do not dare block. Democracy has to be followed. Taking no deal off will again weaken our hand and play into the EU’s. Roll on Boris! There is no democratic mandate for no-deal.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 09 Jul 19 11.36am

Originally posted by dynamicdick

Dominic Grieve should be de-selected for this action and previous persistent attempts to block Brexit. This should also apply to any other MP who has sought this route including dear Mr Bercow. To all these idiots contribute to the Brexit process but do not dare block. Democracy has to be followed. Taking no deal off will again weaken our hand and play into the EU’s. Roll on Boris!

There is no democratic mandate for no-deal.

Midlands Eagle 09 Jul 19 11.44am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow There is no democratic mandate for no-deal. I'm not so sure as the Brexit Party were the overwhelming winners of the recent EU elections and they are a "no deal" party

Midlands Eagle

09 Jul 19 11.44am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

There is no democratic mandate for no-deal.

I'm not so sure as the Brexit Party were the overwhelming winners of the recent EU elections and they are a "no deal" party

Stirlingsays 09 Jul 19 11.44am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow There is no democratic mandate for no-deal. There is only a democratic 'mandate' to leave the EU. The 'no deal' method was few people's first choice over a free trade deal, however it's closer to the leave mandate than remain....which is what our politicians have currently provided us with. Without our negotiators being serious about a 'no deal' our negotiations are doomed. Once Davies was removed from the fray submission and appeasement seems to have been the policy. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2019 11.46am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jul 19 11.44am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

There is no democratic mandate for no-deal.

There is only a democratic 'mandate' to leave the EU.

The 'no deal' method was few people's first choice over a free trade deal, however it's closer to the leave mandate than remain....which is what our politicians have currently provided us with.

Without our negotiators being serious about a 'no deal' our negotiations are doomed. Once Davies was removed from the fray submission and appeasement seems to have been the policy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2019 11.46am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 09 Jul 19 12.39pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I'm not so sure as the Brexit Party were the overwhelming winners of the recent EU elections and they are a "no deal" party The winners of the recent EU elections were the remain parties polling 56% accurately reflecting the polls.

steeleye20

Croydon 09 Jul 19 12.39pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I'm not so sure as the Brexit Party were the overwhelming winners of the recent EU elections and they are a "no deal" party

The winners of the recent EU elections were the remain parties polling 56% accurately reflecting the polls.

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jul 19 12.58pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The winners of the recent EU elections were the remain parties polling 56% accurately reflecting the polls. In the same way that Labour, Liberals, etc won the last election. Deluded.

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jul 19 12.58pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The winners of the recent EU elections were the remain parties polling 56% accurately reflecting the polls.

In the same way that Labour, Liberals, etc won the last election.

Deluded.

jeeagles 09 Jul 19 1.04pm
On Seeing today's headline I thought Labour had finally decided to back remain properly - a bit late obiviously, the referendum was years ago, when JC was 7/10 of a remianer. However, there current policy is still that they are total unclear on what they want. "Labour is promising to campaign for Remain in a new EU referendum against "no deal or a damaging Tory Brexit". The shift in stance was signalled by Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, as he challenged the next prime minister "to put their deal to the people". But the statement does not explain what Labour would do if the party won a general election. Mr Corbyn has faced calls to move policy in a more pro-EU direction from senior members of Labour. In a letter to members, he said: "Whoever becomes the new prime minister should have the confidence to put their deal, or no deal, back to the people in a public vote. "In those circumstances, I want to make it clear that Labour would campaign for Remain against either no deal or a Tory deal that does not protect the economy and jobs." We have a useless government and a worse opposition.

jeeagles

09 Jul 19 1.04pm

On Seeing today's headline I thought Labour had finally decided to back remain properly - a bit late obiviously, the referendum was years ago, when JC was 7/10 of a remianer.

However, there current policy is still that they are total unclear on what they want.

"Labour is promising to campaign for Remain in a new EU referendum against "no deal or a damaging Tory Brexit".

The shift in stance was signalled by Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, as he challenged the next prime minister "to put their deal to the people".

But the statement does not explain what Labour would do if the party won a general election.

Mr Corbyn has faced calls to move policy in a more pro-EU direction from senior members of Labour.

In a letter to members, he said: "Whoever becomes the new prime minister should have the confidence to put their deal, or no deal, back to the people in a public vote.

"In those circumstances, I want to make it clear that Labour would campaign for Remain against either no deal or a Tory deal that does not protect the economy and jobs."

We have a useless government and a worse opposition.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 09 Jul 19 1.10pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger In the same way that Labour, Liberals, etc won the last election. Deluded. It’s no more deluded than saying the Brexit party’s relative success in the EU elections is some sort of mandate for a no deal brexit.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 09 Jul 19 1.10pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

In the same way that Labour, Liberals, etc won the last election.

Deluded.

It’s no more deluded than saying the Brexit party’s relative success in the EU elections is some sort of mandate for a no deal brexit.

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