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jeeagles 20 Jul 19 3.26pm
Originally posted by cryrst A ton of that money did come back in the form of Grant's etc. Farmers,fisherman,town centre regeneration etc. Is that still going to be allocated from the savings. A bit harsh if not especially on the industries and towns and cities that benefitted and probably have ongoing applications. The UK will be getting none of the money that it pays into May's exit deal back. We do rightly owe it so should pay, but if the EU wont give us a deal there will be no mechanism for us to pay so they'd have to claim it from us.

jeeagles

20 Jul 19 3.26pm

Originally posted by cryrst

A ton of that money did come back in the form of Grant's etc.
Farmers,fisherman,town centre regeneration etc.
Is that still going to be allocated from the savings.
A bit harsh if not especially on the industries and towns and cities that benefitted and probably have ongoing applications.

The UK will be getting none of the money that it pays into May's exit deal back. We do rightly owe it so should pay, but if the EU wont give us a deal there will be no mechanism for us to pay so they'd have to claim it from us.

Stirlingsays 20 Jul 19 3.34pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Totally agree. Interestingly though, in Border Force they can recruit but not retain. This is mainly due to awful shift patterns, p*** poor management and lack of any wage rises. It really is a false economy as they spend thousands on training but fail to address the retention issues Yep, sounds like a repeating pattern in the public sector.....governments create extra problems with almost criminally stupid long term policies and then expect the public services to cope. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Jul 19 3.34pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Totally agree. Interestingly though, in Border Force they can recruit but not retain. This is mainly due to awful shift patterns, p*** poor management and lack of any wage rises. It really is a false economy as they spend thousands on training but fail to address the retention issues

Yep, sounds like a repeating pattern in the public sector.....governments create extra problems with almost criminally stupid long term policies and then expect the public services to cope.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 20 Jul 19 3.34pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC They could recruit from abroad. Yeah, that seriously wouldn't surprise any of us at this point. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Jul 19 3.34pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

They could recruit from abroad.

Yeah, that seriously wouldn't surprise any of us at this point.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 20 Jul 19 3.35pm
Originally posted by jeeagles The UK will be getting none of the money that it pays into May's exit deal back. We do rightly owe it so should pay, but if the EU wont give us a deal there will be no mechanism for us to pay so they'd have to claim it from us. Tell them to apply to Ocean Finance. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

20 Jul 19 3.35pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Tell them to apply to Ocean Finance.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 20 Jul 19 4.00pm
Originally posted by jeeagles The UK will be getting none of the money that it pays into May's exit deal back. We do rightly owe it so should pay, but if the EU wont give us a deal there will be no mechanism for us to pay so they'd have to claim it from us. Do we? I thought the House of Lords looked at this and said we didn't. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 20 Jul 19 4.00pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

The UK will be getting none of the money that it pays into May's exit deal back. We do rightly owe it so should pay, but if the EU wont give us a deal there will be no mechanism for us to pay so they'd have to claim it from us.

Do we? I thought the House of Lords looked at this and said we didn't.

One more point

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Jul 19 1.11am
[Link] LOL the gift that keeps on giving the EU. Guessing some s*** is about to hit the fan. Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 21 Jul 19 1.11am

[Link]

LOL the gift that keeps on giving the EU. Guessing some s*** is about to hit the fan.

Pro USA & Israel

Badger11 Beckenham 21 Jul 19 8.47am
I keep hearing that there is no one in the EU to negotiate with us until Nov 1. I have 2 responses to that. 1. The EU set the current deadline May had requested a different one so if there really is no one at home that's their fault they chose the date. 2. Political decisions of this size are ultimately made by the key governments of the EU the EU commission is the monkey. It would appear that Boris is talking to the organ grinders. It doesn't mean a deal will happen but if Boris and these 5 governments can agree they will tell the EU commission to do the paperwork. [Link] One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 Jul 19 8.47am

I keep hearing that there is no one in the EU to negotiate with us until Nov 1. I have 2 responses to that.

1. The EU set the current deadline May had requested a different one so if there really is no one at home that's their fault they chose the date.

2. Political decisions of this size are ultimately made by the key governments of the EU the EU commission is the monkey. It would appear that Boris is talking to the organ grinders. It doesn't mean a deal will happen but if Boris and these 5 governments can agree they will tell the EU commission to do the paperwork.

[Link]

One more point

Midlands Eagle 21 Jul 19 8.58am
Originally posted by Spiderman Totally agree. Interestingly though, in Border Force they can recruit but not retain. This is mainly due to awful shift patterns, p*** poor management and lack of any wage rises. It really is a false economy as they spend thousands on training but fail to address the retention issues My wife is a nurse and it's exactly the same in nursing. The media complain that it's the low wages but that's not true as everyone entering the professions knows exactly what they will get paid. It's the poor management and treatment of staff as assets rather than people that causes nurses to leave. After 10 years in one hospital my wife left as she was sick of the annual arguments about holidays as despite being entitled to seven weeks holiday a year the ward manager wanted her to take them one week at a time and never during the school holidays. She moved to another hospital where they are somewhat more enlightened over holidays but the management is poor in other areas

Midlands Eagle

21 Jul 19 8.58am

Originally posted by Spiderman

My wife is a nurse and it's exactly the same in nursing. The media complain that it's the low wages but that's not true as everyone entering the professions knows exactly what they will get paid.

It's the poor management and treatment of staff as assets rather than people that causes nurses to leave.

After 10 years in one hospital my wife left as she was sick of the annual arguments about holidays as despite being entitled to seven weeks holiday a year the ward manager wanted her to take them one week at a time and never during the school holidays.

She moved to another hospital where they are somewhat more enlightened over holidays but the management is poor in other areas

Spiderman Horsham 21 Jul 19 9.17am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle My wife is a nurse and it's exactly the same in nursing. The media complain that it's the low wages but that's not true as everyone entering the professions knows exactly what they will get paid. It's the poor management and treatment of staff as assets rather than people that causes nurses to leave. After 10 years in one hospital my wife left as she was sick of the annual arguments about holidays as despite being entitled to seven weeks holiday a year the ward manager wanted her to take them one week at a time and never during the school holidays. She moved to another hospital where they are somewhat more enlightened over holidays but the management is poor in other areas Border Force have always had a leave restrictions especially over summer and Christmas, this year they had a leave BAN in early spring because of Brexit! I am glad to have got out but unfortunately my wife is still there. I can only sympathise with your wife as her situation mirrors those in Border Force

Spiderman

Horsham 21 Jul 19 9.17am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

My wife is a nurse and it's exactly the same in nursing. The media complain that it's the low wages but that's not true as everyone entering the professions knows exactly what they will get paid.

It's the poor management and treatment of staff as assets rather than people that causes nurses to leave.

She moved to another hospital where they are somewhat more enlightened over holidays but the management is poor in other areas

Border Force have always had a leave restrictions especially over summer and Christmas, this year they had a leave BAN in early spring because of Brexit!
I am glad to have got out but unfortunately my wife is still there. I can only sympathise with your wife as her situation mirrors those in Border Force

cryrst The garden of England 22 Jul 19 6.53am
Originally posted by jeeagles The UK will be getting none of the money that it pays into May's exit deal back. We do rightly owe it so should pay, but if the EU wont give us a deal there will be no mechanism for us to pay so they'd have to claim it from us. That's true but these returns have been set from the start and applied for by the benefitees and decided by the EU. Where and how will they apply to after Brexit.

cryrst

The garden of England 22 Jul 19 6.53am

Originally posted by jeeagles

That's true but these returns have been set from the start and applied for by the benefitees and decided by the EU.
Where and how will they apply to after Brexit.

W12 22 Jul 19 12.50pm
I'm finding it increasingly unbelievable that there are any significant numbers of remainers left. I voted out but had never realized quite how bad things were getting until the current focus on the going's on. If anyone thinks this somehow represents some kind of socialist, peace loving paradise then they are just completely deluded and can't be following what's going on. The EU is clearly both increasingly authoritarian, institutionally and ideologically anti-democratic and represents the global interests of massive corporations - and that's about it. We should all be chewing our own arms off to get out of this s***.

W12 22 Jul 19 12.50pm

I'm finding it increasingly unbelievable that there are any significant numbers of remainers left. I voted out but had never realized quite how bad things were getting until the current focus on the going's on.

If anyone thinks this somehow represents some kind of socialist, peace loving paradise then they are just completely deluded and can't be following what's going on.

The EU is clearly both increasingly authoritarian, institutionally and ideologically anti-democratic and represents the global interests of massive corporations - and that's about it. We should all be chewing our own arms off to get out of this s***.

Spiderman Horsham 22 Jul 19 5.04pm
Originally posted by W12 I'm finding it increasingly unbelievable that there are any significant numbers of remainers left. I voted out but had never realized quite how bad things were getting until the current focus on the going's on. If anyone thinks this somehow represents some kind of socialist, peace loving paradise then they are just completely deluded and can't be following what's going on. The EU is clearly both increasingly authoritarian, institutionally and ideologically anti-democratic and represents the global interests of massive corporations - and that's about it. We should all be chewing our own arms off to get out of this s***. Cue Steeleye and Mapletree

Spiderman

Horsham 22 Jul 19 5.04pm

Originally posted by W12

If anyone thinks this somehow represents some kind of socialist, peace loving paradise then they are just completely deluded and can't be following what's going on.

Cue Steeleye and Mapletree

Badger11 Beckenham 22 Jul 19 5.27pm
There at it again. Sir Alan Duncan has resigned as he can't work with Boris. Fair enough nothing unremarkable about that. However he lost the plot when he tried to call for a motion of no confidence in a Boris government. Even arch Remainer Bercow could see that is just plain stupid and shut it down. A no confidence motion in a leader that hasn't been selected and a government that hasn't been formed. Expect another attempt later in the week. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 22 Jul 19 5.27pm

There at it again.

Sir Alan Duncan has resigned as he can't work with Boris. Fair enough nothing unremarkable about that. However he lost the plot when he tried to call for a motion of no confidence in a Boris government.

Even arch Remainer Bercow could see that is just plain stupid and shut it down. A no confidence motion in a leader that hasn't been selected and a government that hasn't been formed.

Expect another attempt later in the week.

One more point

Stirlingsays 22 Jul 19 5.37pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Cue Steeleye and Mapletree Na....the left have resigned as a serious presence on Hol....when they can't dominate or censor others they eventually give up. Steely got Faraged and Maple and DanH are now just trolling nowadays. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 Jul 19 5.37pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Cue Steeleye and Mapletree

Na....the left have resigned as a serious presence on Hol....when they can't dominate or censor others they eventually give up.

Steely got Faraged and Maple and DanH are now just trolling nowadays.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jul 19 6.05pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Na....the left have resigned as a serious presence on Hol....when they can't dominate or censor others they eventually give up. Steely got Faraged and Maple and DanH are now just trolling nowadays. We need more hipsters for the sake of the banter. I actually have a beard and I'm sure I can dig out a waistcoat. I don't like soya milk but oat milk is quite nice. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jul 19 6.05pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Na....the left have resigned as a serious presence on Hol....when they can't dominate or censor others they eventually give up.

Steely got Faraged and Maple and DanH are now just trolling nowadays.

We need more hipsters for the sake of the banter. I actually have a beard and I'm sure I can dig out a waistcoat. I don't like soya milk but oat milk is quite nice.

Red and Blue Army!

Maine Eagle USA 22 Jul 19 6.11pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Na....the left have resigned as a serious presence on Hol....when they can't dominate or censor others they eventually give up. Steely got Faraged and Maple and DanH are now just trolling nowadays. I sure hope not for your sake, Stirley. Its going to be pretty f*ing dull around here listening to Hrolf and Chris GC's bizarre views on the football team, rammed down the throats of an unsuspecting support base not used to totalitarian dictators. Just reading the last few pages here and the lack of intelligence and understanding is unbelievable really. Conflating the issues many mention here with being members of the EU is the victory that Farage has won over an uninformed populace. Farage has conned you, with the help of many. He has made you believe, as some other leaders have before, that your problems and issues have 1 root source. If you really start to buy into Farage and his con then you would be forgiven for thinking that once we leave the EU everyone will get 100k in their bank accounts and the streets will be paved with gold before the next morning. Wake the f* up. If people think that the hospitals in the UK will be BETTER once the UK leaves the EU and loses out on countless resources, expertise and drugs, I have a time share in Tenerife you might be interested in. As with many things in life the Brexiteer will not see the error of his/her ways until it is too late, but at this stage I sincerely hope a no deal brexit comes to pass, as it might finally knock some sense into the hollow brains of England. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle

USA 22 Jul 19 6.11pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Na....the left have resigned as a serious presence on Hol....when they can't dominate or censor others they eventually give up.

Steely got Faraged and Maple and DanH are now just trolling nowadays.

I sure hope not for your sake, Stirley.

Its going to be pretty f***ing dull around here listening to Hrolf and Chris GC's bizarre views on the football team, rammed down the throats of an unsuspecting support base not used to totalitarian dictators.

Just reading the last few pages here and the lack of intelligence and understanding is unbelievable really.

Conflating the issues many mention here with being members of the EU is the victory that Farage has won over an uninformed populace.

Farage has conned you, with the help of many.

He has made you believe, as some other leaders have before, that your problems and issues have 1 root source. If you really start to buy into Farage and his con then you would be forgiven for thinking that once we leave the EU everyone will get 100k in their bank accounts and the streets will be paved with gold before the next morning.

Wake the f*** up.

If people think that the hospitals in the UK will be BETTER once the UK leaves the EU and loses out on countless resources, expertise and drugs, I have a time share in Tenerife you might be interested in.

As with many things in life the Brexiteer will not see the error of his/her ways until it is too late, but at this stage I sincerely hope a no deal brexit comes to pass, as it might finally knock some sense into the hollow brains of England.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

DanH SW2 22 Jul 19 6.13pm
A lot of posters got bored into submission by the handful of posters who dominate every thread and don't seem to have anything better to do with their lives.

DanH

SW2 22 Jul 19 6.13pm

A lot of posters got bored into submission by the handful of posters who dominate every thread and don't seem to have anything better to do with their lives.

Maine Eagle USA 22 Jul 19 6.13pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC We need more hipsters for the sake of the banter. I actually have a beard and I'm sure I can dig out a waistcoat. I don't like soya milk but oat milk is quite nice. You are missing the major topics here, ASCPFC: skinny jeans colourful and artsy tatts no money farmers markets Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle

USA 22 Jul 19 6.13pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

We need more hipsters for the sake of the banter. I actually have a beard and I'm sure I can dig out a waistcoat. I don't like soya milk but oat milk is quite nice.

You are missing the major topics here, ASCPFC:

skinny jeans
colourful and artsy tatts
no money
farmers markets

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Teddy Eagle 22 Jul 19 6.21pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle You are missing the major topics here, ASCPFC: skinny jeans colourful and artsy tatts no money farmers markets Artisanal pork pie hats.

Teddy Eagle

22 Jul 19 6.21pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

You are missing the major topics here, ASCPFC:

skinny jeans
colourful and artsy tatts
no money
farmers markets

Artisanal pork pie hats.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jul 19 6.22pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle You are missing the major topics here, ASCPFC: skinny jeans colourful and artsy tatts no money farmers markets I believe I'm even going to Williamsburg next year. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 22 Jul 19 6.22pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

You are missing the major topics here, ASCPFC:

skinny jeans
colourful and artsy tatts
no money
farmers markets

I believe I'm even going to Williamsburg next year.

Red and Blue Army!

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